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OK I will give you guys Solange in a bikini. Close enough. Even Valenka. Eon isn't shying away from showcasing beautiful babes, but I do fear that given Babs feminazi nature we won't be getting any good ole fashioned girls in two piece shots anymore.
As for Connery in a bathing suit, its no where near the same as Craig's gratuitous rising from the surf ala Ursula Andress. Sean was rather, simply being Bond, going about the business of being Bond whilst wearing a bathing suit. The emphasis was not on his bod but rather on what was going on in the scene.
Craig's erupting from the surf scene was all about the worshipping of the Craig bod. For the first time in 21 films we get the sexual objectification of Bond. The Babs touch. No doubt getting even for all the sexual objectification of women in previous films. You go girl!
As for the women in two piece bathing suits there are many Bond girls that don't wear them. Tatiana wasn't in one in FRWL, Pussy wasn't in one in GF, Tracy wasn't in one in OHMSS, Kara wasn't in one in TLD...in fact, all of these leading ladies were very covered up in their appearances. So it's not like a leading lady *not* being in a bikini is some new thing that we've never seen in a Bond film before.
And the thing that I don't understand is the problem with Bond being shown as sexually attractive. As far back as the early 60s Bond was described as the man that "men wanted to be and women wanted between their sheets". It's pretty clear that for women he's always been seen as an object of sexual attraction. There's a reason that Connery was seen shirtless so many times in his films and it's not because of a limited wardrobe budget leading to a lack of shirts...I remember the mother of a girlfriend telling me once how all those shirtless scenes with Connery made the women swoon in the 60s. Seeing his visible stomach muscles and the fact that he had a "manly" hairy chest (at a time when Hollywood stars were required to shave theirs) made her and her friends light-headed with desire. Now to get that same effect there might need to be a little more emphasis in the framing or lighting but it's simply a modern version of what was done before.
Having Craig in a bathing suit doesn't offend me nor does it take away from the film in any way. In fact, I find that it adds to the playful nature of the film and that it's fun, escapist entertainment - for the women in the audience who pay for tickets as well as the men. I really can't understand why it would bother a guy.
And if Barbara Brocolli was "getting even for all the sexual objectification of women in previous films" then how do you explain all the objectifying shots of women in CR? Or Bond having a liking for married women because it makes things "easier" for him? Or his casual treatment of Solange - dumping her as soon as she's outlived her usefulness and then commenting that he doesn't feel emotions about her being tortured and killed?
I count one.
To be honest I don't really ft the problem with the scene in question. Bond looks at Solange and we see her as he does, dismounting a horse. Then she looks his way and we see him as she does. Indeed, Bond has always been an object of desire for women in the audience too, and women, these days, do want more then they did in the sixties. If I understand modern feminism Craig's about the opposite of what they want. But then again, that's a big ' if'. Allthough I must say David Arnold's music is a bit over the top. Daniel Craig himself stated quite a few times he thought the scene was a bit OTT and he wouldn't do it again. Saying it ruined a further perfect film would say more about the person saying this then about the film. It's one, short, scene!
Either way (aimed at gay male or female or both) the Bond universe was altered with that scene. As Blueblood suggested on old Mi6, Bond instead of now watching the object of desire, is now watched.
Bond instead has become that object.
@timmer I think that's a sad thing. Too few people understand history, and inflating a word like that does more harm then good. But tht's a side note, of course.
@santa I never heard a guy complain about the interest women showed when they did. More the other way round, really.
Anyway its moot. Its not like the fictional character can have an opinion on how he is depicted in movies. Whether we the viewer like this depiction is a matter of opinion though. To each his own.
But what we do have is a shift in direction by Eon as to how Bond is portrayed. Like it or hate it or somewhere inbetween.
I vote, don't like it! And I am happy to be in the minority. :)
We do still have a few old woman frequent the site from time to time, but their appearances are often brief.
I don't personally see how BB could have influenced the decision to have Craig rise from the sea in speedos. I imagine it was in the script and filmed by the director (rather than them doing what BB asked).
What evidence is there to suggest this to be true?
It's fair enough if you don't have faith in what happens behind the camera, but to blame one person for all the wrong doings, as you see them is just silly.
This isn't aimed at you DC, but I often feel there are plenty of 'crazies' on the internet when rumours and gossip are concerned. Luckily they are mostly on other sites, with few here.
Craig himself knew this shot would stick as soon as he realised it could be labeled an Ursula Andress impersonation and according to him said "Oh, ****" when he knew what the shot was beginning to look like.
So, no, no one "put it there". It was one thing that become something else and very different than intended.
:)
I take the women here are quite outnumbered?