Action sequences you want to see in BOND 23 (and beyond)

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    or bond at a theme park like Disneyland
    Ugh! You are joking? I cant think of anywhere morre unBondian then a Florida theme park.

    Don't read Never Send Flowers. Trust me on this one.

  • I think it's time to see Craig versions of Bond action scene classics like skiing, helicopter and scuba diving. I liked Craig on a motorbike in Quantum - we could have more of that too.

    I'm happy that 007 will get into action on a train in the next film, although an Indian train might be less classy looking than the previous "Bond-trains".

    Hope they will stick to a stylish action scene with 007 in a tuxedo every once in a while - so that Bond won't blend too much into "dirt" heroes like McClane and Indy (whom I like too, btw). ;)
  • I would like some kind of super natrual kind of thing in Bond 23 something kind of like in Live at let Die. May be some killer zombies or something of that nature
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    the tube crawl- the tube was too big it wasnt a worm crawl more like a picnic in your local sewer! :P
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    One of the original drafts for THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS had Bond and Kara escaping from Slovakia into Austria by way of an ice yacht instead of a cello case. However, it was scrapped because EON felt that sailing was not the kind of thing that Timothy Dalton's Bond would do. However, I'd like to see it come back in some way - either an ice yacht or a catamaran on a river of some kind. Perhaps down a frozen spillway, with the bad guys chasing Bond on snowmobiles so that he has to fit through narrow gaps and under low bridges while being shot at.

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    Back in 1959, a USAF colonel named Joseph Kittinger completed the world's highest parachute jump: a stratospheric jump. The military wanted to test high-altitude equipment for SR-71 Blackbird pilots, so they sent Kittinger to test them. He rode a special gondola up to the edge of space, and then jumped out for a twenty-three kilometre freefall. It was so dangerous that he had to wear a drouge parachute to extend his body surface and prevent a fatal flatspin.

    I could see Bond using a stratospheric jump to infiltrate a villain's lair with a sophisticated radar system that could detect any approach from land, sea or air. But because a human body is too small to be detected by radar, Bond would use a gondola outside the range of the radar base to reach the edge of space, and then jump out, using the curvature of the earth to slingshot himself out over his target. I'd see this as the final stunt sequence of the Age of Craig, because it would be impossible to top it without getting silly.

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    With Castle Duntrune featuring as the finale of BOND 23, this is how I'd play it:

    Set in the middle of the night in the freezing cold, with Bond leading a team of commandos through gunfire and explosions and snow and mud to attack the castle - think YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (but with better editing) meets BRAVEHEART - with support from a warship off the coast. During the battle, Bond gets separated from the squadron as he goes after Javier Bardem. They end up deep in the caves under the castle as Bardem tries to escape by way of a miniature submarine moored at undersea dock carved into the caves. Due to an environemental anomaly, properties in the rocks interfere with their night-vision goggles. Although Bond can see through them, he can only see when there is movement. Bardem already knows this, leaving Bond to work it out for himself, and so they have a fight that involves the two of them alternating between standing perfectly still and moving into position to attack. In the end, the constant bombardment of shells from the warship - and possibly a self-destruct system the villain has installed - result in a fissure opening up and part of the castle and the outcrop sliding into the ocean and cutting off access to the dock. Both Bond and Bardem survive the collapse, and Bond ends up drowning him a pool of freezing-cold mud. They'd both be covered with so much mud and blood that it is difficult to tell who is actually who, and we get an extended shot of Bardem's body half-submerged in the mud, and we're all led to believe that he had killed Bond. Until, of course, Bond removes his goggles, and we finally see that he has survived.

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    Something I'd really be interested in seeing is EON getting Australian author Matthew Reilly on-board for a few rewrites. Reilly is well-known for his action sequences, and I recently finished his latest book, SCARECROW AND THE ARMY OF THIEVES, which contiains what I think is one of my favourite sequences that he has written:

    In order to prevent the end of the world, the heroes need to get to a laboratory built into spire on top of a flying saucer-like control station, which houses "red uranium", an experimental explosive compound. The station is built two hundred feet above the surrounding land, but separated from a high cliff that forms a semi-circle around it. Access to the control station is by two retractable bridges, which are controlled by the villains. With just twenty minutes on the clock, the heroes build a bridge of their own in about five seconds: they drive a truck off the cliff at speed, firing two sets of magnetic grappling hooks at the same time, suspending the truck over the chasm. The main character rides an 'ascender' up one of the arms of the improvised bridge, and makes his way up the spire. Once at the top, he secures the samples of red uranium, while the other characters fire RPGs at the base of the spire, causing it to topple like a falling tree. The main character rides it down (using mattresses to cushion his fall) and returns to the truck. By now, they have attracted the attention of the villains, who send a V-22 Osprey after them. In order to escape, the heroes disconnect one half of the truck-bridge, causing the truck to swing away from the cliff side and swatting the Osprey out of the sky.

    Okay, that's a little insane. But Reilly is one of the few writers I can think of who can not only write action sequences without getting confusing, he's also very inventive. I'd love for EON to approach him and say "Okay, Matthew, we have a car chase behind. This is the scene that starts it, and this is the scene that ends it. Can you please fill in the blanks?"
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I've honestly got no problem with repeated action sequences in the Bond films. If Bond 23 gives me another intense foot chase and a brutal hand-to-hand fight (Fisher in CR and Slate in QoS), then I'll be extremely happy.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I've honestly got no problem with repeated action sequences in the Bond films. If Bond 23 gives me another intense foot chase and a brutal hand-to-hand fight (Fisher in CR and Slate in QoS), then I'll be extremely happy.
    Ditto. I love the pulse pounding action in the Craig Bonds. I always feel there with him, feeling the hits and kicks. I can't wait to see what action Bond 23 has on the table for us.

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    I've honestly got no problem with repeated action sequences in the Bond films. If Bond 23 gives me another intense foot chase and a brutal hand-to-hand fight (Fisher in CR and Slate in QoS), then I'll be extremely happy.
    I agree about the fist fight; the Craig ones have been spectacular so far and now with Bardem confirmed I have a feeling that it will be Craig vs. Bardem in a Bond vs. 006 type of show down :-D

    However, I think they can give the foot chases a rest for a film. Both CR and QOS had extended foot chases, and towards the end of QOS's chase it got a tad repetitive. But eh, I've really liked the Craig action scenes thus far so I probably won't be disappointed.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Fist fights always go well with Craig's stamina. I'd say we let the man get it on with some crooks in Bond 23 for the next actor might be less impressive a fist fighter. Dalton and Brosnan were allowed some interesting punches but never struck so fiercely the way Craig does.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Some classic scene involving snow, gorgeous mountains; a ski resort would be fine just make it dynamic and stunning; a pounding, brutal chase and hand to hand fighting (Craig really excels at this this). And at some point, Bond in a tux - even if it ends up covered in blood (yes again; CR did it well). Or ripped to shreds. The juxtaposition of the elegance of the tux and the gore is well, visually interesting, I think, if done right. And a great fight sequence on a train would be lovely! Don't care of it's India. Canadian rockies, on a high trestle, etc. would be fine. I like Bond and trains.
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    However, I think they can give the foot chases a rest for a film. Both CR and QOS had extended foot chases, and towards the end of QOS's chase it got a tad repetitive. But eh, I've really liked the Craig action scenes thus far so I probably won't be disappointed.
    Could you elaborate? Did you find elements of the chase repetitive, or just a repitition of foot chases. I feel that each of Craig's foot chases have been unique in how they've played out. But yes, it does seem they've tried to implement a foot chase into each of his movies, perhaps when not a need for one.
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    That MCR Living Daylights scene woulda been 17x better if he had just ziplined. Wayyyy to cheesy with the hole magic carpet.

    A bit of skilled editing would've patched it up though. Along with 1 or 2 more takes.
    Of course it was cheesy, no doubt it was written with Moore in mind. It would have been funny if Sir Roger did it. Sight gags just weren't Dalton's thing.

    Count me among those who relish an extended, knockdown dragout fistfight between Craig and Bardem, with slower editing than we got in the Bond/Slate QOS so we don't miss a single fist or foot.

    As soon as DC gets back, expect him to say "No more foot chases, please". ;-)
  • Posts: 5,745
    That MCR Living Daylights scene woulda been 17x better if he had just ziplined. Wayyyy to cheesy with the hole magic carpet.

    A bit of skilled editing would've patched it up though. Along with 1 or 2 more takes.
    Of course it was cheesy, no doubt it was written with Moore in mind. It would have been funny if Sir Roger did it. Sight gags just weren't Dalton's thing.

    Somebody has been look deep into the past pages of this post :P

    But really all I was trying to say was that I think they could have pulled it off if:

    a. it moved faster
    b. the editing was (much) better
    c. if they tweaked some of the awkward shots
    d. and if they proposed a real purpose for him to do it. I'm sure there was a flight of stairs just around the corner.
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    However, I think they can give the foot chases a rest for a film. Both CR and QOS had extended foot chases, and towards the end of QOS's chase it got a tad repetitive. But eh, I've really liked the Craig action scenes thus far so I probably won't be disappointed.
    Could you elaborate? Did you find elements of the chase repetitive, or just a repitition of foot chases. I feel that each of Craig's foot chases have been unique in how they've played out. But yes, it does seem they've tried to implement a foot chase into each of his movies, perhaps when not a need for one.
    Well at the end of Quantum of Solace's foot chase at around the time Bond jumps off a roof on to a moving bus, I could feel the whole scene start to get a little stale. Even Arnold's score in the background kind of reverts to a repetitious, quiet melody (it almost seems like the music is running low on energy, too). The editing was also very rushed at the end, something I think they did because the scene was getting long; Craig is on the bus (after he's jumped on it), he gets up, jumps to another building, climbs a ladder and ends up on an adjacent roof in seconds. It is so quick that I almost didn't even process what was going on. I'm assuming they cut it in this odd way because the scene itself was already longer than it should have been, but Bond and Mitchell had to get from 'point A' to 'point B' somehow, and because too much time had been used up in the beginning, the ending of the chase suffers.

    Compare this to Casino Royale's extended foot chase; it works because Bond and Mollaka are always doing something different. First they are running through a shanty town, then a jungle, then Bond chases Mollaka with a bulldozer, then they're fighting 300 feet in the air etc. Quantum of Solace's Siena chase just kind of had two characters running on the roofs of buildings with no real change in scenery. There is nothing wrong with that concept, but the scene should have been written shorter to make it a little less dragging. (NOT editing it down to make it shorter like they did in the film, mind you.)

    All that being said, Quantum of Solace's foot chase isn't BAD and it isn't really BORING, but it starts to lag at the end. Same goes for something like TND's motorcycle chase; it was fun and loud and pretty, but towards the end it started to get just a tad stale. Not enough to ruin the scene or anything, but the repetitiveness was there nonetheless.
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    If Javier Bardem is the bad guy I want to see a big climatic fight between him and Daniel Craig similiar to the fight between Connery and Shaw in FRWL
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I want to see an action sequence on the freeway involving Craig on a black superbike, and being chased by villains on superbikes and/or trail bikes. I don't recall both parties being on bikes at the same time- but then, I haven't watched the films for a while.
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    i want a better film than Quantum of Solace.. Some Ian Fleming -the car chase but not in extreme close up with fast editing. Stunts- not CGI- a story- a decent title song
  • i like the cable car/sniper idea. and the theme park thing could work, say bond is tracking a guy, the guy goes to meet his contact at a theme park but realises bond is following him, he rings his contact and tells him that the plan is of because he's being tailed. Bond sprints after the guy and a foot-chase starts, the guy attempts to escape by barging his way through crowds and jumping onto a rollercoaster, but craig follows. neither are strapped in properly. the guy draws his pistol and starts firing as craig makes his way across carriges to get to him, all the while the coaster is twisting and turning. As craig draws near the guy, the rollercoaster comes to a next-to-vertical drop. The guy jumps of and pulls his parachute cord, floating away. Bond uses a grappling hook he was given earlier by Q to attach himself to a monorail that goes over the park from the entrance. Bond heads to the carpark where the guy landed. the guy sees bond and jumps in his car, speeding of. bond gets on his ducati superbike 2011 and pursues him. The guy makes it onto a train as bond is held up by some henchmen who work for the same person as the man bond is chasing. The man makes it to a train and jumps on, but bond spots him boarding and gets on his bike again, then jumps it onto the train.
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    @ thelivingroyale

    I love the idea of Bond and a baddie on a coaster not strapped in. I think it would make for a very intense action scene, but I could only see Craig's Bond doing it. Thus, I'm not sure it would fit into a Bond movie. But the way I imagine the scene isn't how you do.

    To nitpick, parachutes can't open anywhere near that low successfully.

    The way my scene pans out goes like this:

    Its 6 am. Bond is tailing a baddie and eventually arrives at a not-so-fancy hotel next to a theme park (right next to, actually). Bond bursts into the baddies room, and they tussle. The guy runs out onto the balcony and flies over the railing. He lands on top of a maintenance building for the hotel, scales across the roof, and hops the hedged fence separating the hotel grounds from theme park. He makes his way onto a service walkway for one of the bigger rides at the park, with Bond closely tailing. Currently, the theme park is running its daily tests before the park officially opens, so the rides are going without anybody on board. As they edge the coaster track, Bond tackles the guy and he slides to the edge, hanging over the tracks. Bond runs over to finish the guy off, but the guy pulls Bond down, just as the coaster leaves the docking station. They slam into a row of seats, and throw some Craig like fight moves around while the ride slowly climbs the first advance. Bond squeezes his hands tightly around the mans neck just as they reach the top of the crest, and the ride plummets, reaching speeds of up to 60 mph. Bond and the baddie fly backwards, rolling over rows and slam down at the bottom of the hill. Bond fly's off on a sharp curve and barely catches himself, dangling off the speeding ride. The baddie climbs towards him, but the coaster goes through a loop and Bond slams belly down back on top of the ride as the baddie nearly loses his grip. They clash again, then suddenly go through a second loop. This time the baddie flies off, and Bond just barely grips, but as the coaster completes the loop the baddie slams farther down the carts. As Bond advances yet again, the coaster starts to climb yet another steep incline, slowing down. Just as Bond gets close enough to the guy, he slams him in the jaw and the ride lurches down the steep decline. By now, the operator has scene the intense situation, and pulls the emergency stop while the ride is still 200 feet up. The baddie rolls to the very front of the coaster, and catches his grip, his feet dangling towards death. Bond and the baddie climb towards each other, Bond from the back and the baddie from the front, and start duking it out again. After a tense fight scene, Bond snaps the guys arm, and kicks him, causing him to fall (the coaster is still on an incline) down a few rows. The baddie gets back up with his gun, which fell out a few whirls ago, but coincidentally is in the row he landed in, and Bond pulls his piece, which he has now just found as well, twists around and BOOM, gun barrel, theme titles.

    Thoughts? And thanks if you actually read through it all :) I can only imagine Craig's Bond doing this..
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    I don't really like the idea of Bond in a theme park.

    However, I could see it if it were an abandoned theme park: something that the Soviets built as a part of a larger, fake city that they used to test the effects of the atmospheric detonation of nuclear devices. The villains leave Bond behind to try and kill him via radiation poisoning from the fallout. Of course, none of the "attractions" would actually work.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I don't really like the idea of Bond in a theme park.

    However, I could see it if it were an abandoned theme park: something that the Soviets built as a part of a larger, fake city that they used to test the effects of the atmospheric detonation of nuclear devices. The villains leave Bond behind to try and kill him via radiation poisoning from the fallout. Of course, none of the "attractions" would actually work.
    Will Bond be hiding in a fridge ?

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    Yes, there are similarities to KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL here. But the difference is that the abandoned-radioactive-theme park of James Bond will be done better than Indiana Jones. For one, there will be no nuclear detoantions, and thus no need to hide in fridges.
  • edited October 2011 Posts: 5,745
    I don't really like the idea of Bond in a theme park.
    Yes but the theme park in my little action sequence takes no part in the storyline besides bing an awesome setting for a fight scene. It has nothing to do with the bad guy's plot or anything, just happens to be where Bond and a henchmen throw down.

    I meant did anybody have any feedback towards my action scene, because I personally am quite proud of myself :)

    (*in desperate voice* "accept me?") :P

  • @ thelivingroyale

    parachutes can't open anywhere near that low sucessfully
    your right, not if he jumped anyway. but with the speeds the coaster it was going along with it being the highest point i thought it could have been possilbe if the guy just pulled the cord rather than jumping, that way the chute would get caught in the wind and he'd shoot into the air. but they'd have to find the biggest, fastest coaster in the world.
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    @ thelivingroyale

    parachutes can't open anywhere near that low sucessfully
    your right, not if he jumped anyway. but with the speeds the coaster it was going along with it being the highest point i thought it could have been possilbe if the guy just pulled the cord rather than jumping, that way the chute would get caught in the wind and he'd shoot into the air. but they'd have to find the biggest, fastest coaster in the world.
    Haha what I posted above is leterally what I posted on your new thread, word for word.
    A few more things, why would the baddie have a parachute at a them park?
    and
    He could jump off and land in a pool in the water park or something. (From a lower height, of course)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    i want a better film than Quantum of Solace.. Some Ian Fleming -the car chase but not in extreme close up with fast editing. Stunts- not CGI- a story- a decent title song
    I'm with you, Graeme.
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    Okay, here's an idea:
    Bond is high up on a glacier, having climbed most of the way up. He has climbed up in an inverted 'L' shape (straight up, and then across), and is planting a series of explosive charges in the face of the glacier. The intention is to trigger an avalanche and cut off access to a road or destroy an enemy encampment or something along those lines. Before he can get down, he is forced to trigger the explosions - but he has planned for this eventuality. Each of the pitons he has driven into the ice face (except for the first one at the top of the vertical climb) has a small explosive charge embedded in the tip. Bond detonates the explosives he planted to trigger the avalanche, and then triggers the explosives in the pitons. This frees him from the ice face, dropping him down and swinging him across the ice face as the avalanche comes rushing over his head. He swings out beyond the avalanche, and around the corner of the glacier to safety.
    And another one:
    A Ken Block-influenced gymkhana-style chase. I know, Block gets ridiculed simply because he's popular, but I think the idea has merit: Bond has to board a luxury yacht that is quickly leaving a harbour. Unfortauntely, he had been delayed, and the yacht has taken off. And although there is a road to the end of an adjacent dock, there is a much faster route at hand - through the maze of shipping containers and warehouses. He drives under containers mounted on semi-trailers, slides through narrow gaps, down along the sandy waterfront between a minefield of exposed girders, and finally, he drives up onto a row of shipping containers, off the far end, and through an open container opposite it. Finally, he gets lut of the car and scales a shipping crane, positioning the cable out over the water. He then climbs out onto the cable and lowers himself in range of the yacht, before dropping onto the deck.
    As a means of killing a villain:
    Bond has finally cornered the villain in an elevator shaft that is steadily flooding from a water source above, so there are powerful waves of water thundering down the shaft. The villain is planning an escape from the roof via parachute. The fight on top of the elevator car, which Bond has basically hot-wired. He manages to get a hold of the villain's ripcord, pulling on it and causing the parachute to deploy. He then triggers the hot-wired elevator car to to go up, causing the counterweight to come down, catching the villain's parachute and dragging him down into the rapidoly-floowding elevator shaft where he downs.

    Of course, I'm not entirely sure how a villain's lair would reuqire an escape via parachute, and also have a water source above the elevator cars. Maybe it's a hotel with a swimming pool on the roof.
    That's all I have for now.
  • edited October 2011 Posts: 1,092
    Why would Bond and the villian meet?

    Ref. your first post.
  • Posts: 1,894
    Why would Bond and the villian meet?

    Ref. your first post.
    The villain has something Bond wants, or needs. Or the other way around. Maybe Bond is assigned to carry out a prisoner exchange (in the vein of the Anna Chapman/Illegals Program case), trading a captured spy for someone of value (maybe a British national accused of spying).
  • @ thelivingroyale

    parachutes can't open anywhere near that low sucessfully
    your right, not if he jumped anyway. but with the speeds the coaster it was going along with it being the highest point i thought it could have been possilbe if the guy just pulled the cord rather than jumping, that way the chute would get caught in the wind and he'd shoot into the air. but they'd have to find the biggest, fastest coaster in the world.
    Haha what I posted above is leterally what I posted on your new thread, word for word.
    A few more things, why would the baddie have a parachute at a them park?
    and
    He could jump off and land in a pool in the water park or something. (From a lower height, of course)
    hmmmm, never thought of the why he had the chute tbh :) but i like the idea about him diving into a pool of water, that would make alot more sense
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