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  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
    edited June 2014 Posts: 2,782
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Actually, there are plenty of us who respect and enjoy Arnold's work on Bond films.

    i can hum, whistle Barry's sountracks all day long, so memorable...but Arnie...no chance...as Sean Connery says, the music is crap...

    other films he does amazing things, but for Bond, mod edit - please mind your language, sir!
  • DoggieGaloreDoggieGalore
    Posts: 86
    forgotmyusername wrote:
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Actually, there are plenty of us who respect and enjoy Arnold's work on Bond films.

    i can hum, whistle Barry's sountracks all day long, so memorable...but Arnie...no chance...as Sean Connery says, the music is crap...

    other films he does amazing things, but for Bond, mod edit - please mind your language, sir!

    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?
    Happy days are here again!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,261
    I love Connery but his opinion about David Arnold's music doesn't interest me nor does it affect mine.
  • fromswedenwithlovefromswedenwithlove
    Posts: 654
    I don´t miss him THAT much... He did a solid job with the Brosnan-era and a brilliant job with CR and QoS, but Newman´s score was just amazing! Just epic all the way! I do not mind if they bring Arnold back, but I would prefer another Newman.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,360
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.

    This, and let's not forget that it was Connery who suggested Michel Legrand to compose the score for Never Say Never Again. ;)
  • DoggieGaloreDoggieGalore
    Posts: 86
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.

    You don't need to be a composer to recognize good music when you hear it.
    Arnold has moments, if you can sit through all the generic noise. At this point, I am sure John Williams and James Horner can compose a better score than David Arnold.
  • DoggieGaloreDoggieGalore
    Posts: 86
    There is a Youtube video where this orchestra was doing a Bond medley and they have the audacity to play David Arnold's work after John Barry's.

    It became painful apparently that David Arnold's work paled so much next to Barry, Hamlisch, Martin and Conti. Other than You Know My Name, I have no idea from which movie Arnold's piece came from.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.

    You don't need to be a composer to recognize good music when you hear it.
    Arnold has moments, if you can sit through all the generic noise. At this point, I am sure John Williams and James Horner can compose a better score than David Arnold.

    John Williams can compose a better score than everyone, comparing Arnold to Williams is not even fair. That said, I love Arnold and he should write next Bond scores.
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    There is a Youtube video where this orchestra was doing a Bond medley and they have the audacity to play David Arnold's work after John Barry's.

    It became painful apparently that David Arnold's work paled so much next to Barry, Hamlisch, Martin and Conti. Other than You Know My Name, I have no idea from which movie Arnold's piece came from.

    If you're talking about the same medley I have listened to, it's "Night at the opera" from Quantum of Solace.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    fromswedenwithlove wrote:
    I don´t miss him THAT much... He did a solid job with the Brosnan-era and a brilliant job with CR and QoS, but Newman´s score was just amazing! Just epic all the way! I do not mind if they bring Arnold back, but I would prefer another Newman.


    Seriously? 'Epic'...?
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Walecs wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.

    You don't need to be a composer to recognize good music when you hear it.
    Arnold has moments, if you can sit through all the generic noise. At this point, I am sure John Williams and James Horner can compose a better score than David Arnold.

    John Williams can compose a better score than everyone, comparing Arnold to Williams is not even fair. That said, I love Arnold and he should write next Bond scores.
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    There is a Youtube video where this orchestra was doing a Bond medley and they have the audacity to play David Arnold's work after John Barry's.

    It became painful apparently that David Arnold's work paled so much next to Barry, Hamlisch, Martin and Conti. Other than You Know My Name, I have no idea from which movie Arnold's piece came from.

    If you're talking about the same medley I have listened to, it's "Night at the opera" from Quantum of Solace.

    Arnold's scores for CR and QoS are his best work, IMO. Surrender and You Know my Name are both good songs that he can take pride in. But generally speaking, I agree that he has not really done anything to match some of the amazing scores from the past. Having said that, I thought Newman's work on SF was really, really disappointing. I am all for EON trying to improve the quality of the team on Bond, but if it's a choice between Newman and Arnold, I'd take Arnold everytime.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Getafix wrote:
    Arnold's scores for CR and QoS are his best work, IMO. Surrender and You Know my Name are both good songs that he can take pride in. But generally speaking, I agree that he has not really done anything to match some of the amazing scores from the past. Having said that, I thought Newman's work on SF was really, really disappointing. I am all for EON trying to improve the quality of the team on Bond, but if it's a choice between Newman and Arnold, I'd take Arnold everytime.

    The thing is I rather have neither and that EON bring in a new and talented composer that wants to put himself out there and give us a new sound for this century.

    Newman was to full of himself and Arnold was not able to reboot the music for a new Bond era with CR & QoB. DA did a good job with the Brosnan sound but with Craig he does some nice snippets but it has no cohesion and fails to be anything spectacular.

    To be honest I still have not bought Newmans soundtrack as it is just not exciting to listen to, so a waste of money until I find a cheap 2nd hand. That said the soundtracks of the DA era seem to be less in the offering as anything before him.
  • DoggieGaloreDoggieGalore
    Posts: 86
    Getafix wrote:
    Walecs wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.

    You don't need to be a composer to recognize good music when you hear it.
    Arnold has moments, if you can sit through all the generic noise. At this point, I am sure John Williams and James Horner can compose a better score than David Arnold.

    John Williams can compose a better score than everyone, comparing Arnold to Williams is not even fair. That said, I love Arnold and he should write next Bond scores.
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    There is a Youtube video where this orchestra was doing a Bond medley and they have the audacity to play David Arnold's work after John Barry's.

    It became painful apparently that David Arnold's work paled so much next to Barry, Hamlisch, Martin and Conti. Other than You Know My Name, I have no idea from which movie Arnold's piece came from.

    If you're talking about the same medley I have listened to, it's "Night at the opera" from Quantum of Solace.

    Arnold's scores for CR and QoS are his best work, IMO. Surrender and You Know my Name are both good songs that he can take pride in. But generally speaking, I agree that he has not really done anything to match some of the amazing scores from the past. Having said that, I thought Newman's work on SF was really, really disappointing. I am all for EON trying to improve the quality of the team on Bond, but if it's a choice between Newman and Arnold, I'd take Arnold everytime.


    Casino Royale was his best work. Quantum of Solace...as dull as the desert sand.

  • DoggieGaloreDoggieGalore
    Posts: 86
    Murdock wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoggieGalore wrote:
    Connery himself said Arnold's work is crappity doo?

    And John Barry himself said Arnolds work was good, it was Barry who suggested him. And while Sean Connery was a fantastic Bond, he isn't a composer. Barry composed the best scores of the series, nobody will ever do Bond music as well as him.

    I think it's fair to say that when it comes to the music, John Barry's word means more than Sean Connery's.

    This, and let's not forget that it was Connery who suggested Michel Legrand to compose the score for Never Say Never Again. ;)



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  • GetafixGetafix
    edited July 2014 Posts: 11,425
    SaintMark wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Arnold's scores for CR and QoS are his best work, IMO. Surrender and You Know my Name are both good songs that he can take pride in. But generally speaking, I agree that he has not really done anything to match some of the amazing scores from the past. Having said that, I thought Newman's work on SF was really, really disappointing. I am all for EON trying to improve the quality of the team on Bond, but if it's a choice between Newman and Arnold, I'd take Arnold everytime.

    The thing is I rather have neither and that EON bring in a new and talented composer that wants to put himself out there and give us a new sound for this century.

    Newman was to full of himself and Arnold was not able to reboot the music for a new Bond era with CR & QoB. DA did a good job with the Brosnan sound but with Craig he does some nice snippets but it has no cohesion and fails to be anything spectacular.

    To be honest I still have not bought Newmans soundtrack as it is just not exciting to listen to, so a waste of money until I find a cheap 2nd hand. That said the soundtracks of the DA era seem to be less in the offering as anything before him.

    Didn't quite understand your post. But if you are saying that EON should be looking for someone better than Arnold and Newman, then I totally agree with you. However, if Mendes is pushing for Newman to do another, I would, frankly, prefer Arnold to return.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    A new composer, yes please.

    Newman or Arnold, they both did not convince me so either of them is bad IMHO.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,261
    As I would have it:

    1) Michael Giacchino

    (And then the rest.)
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    DarthDimi wrote:
    As I would have it:

    1) Michael Giacchino

    (And then the rest.)

    I would agree, the man did overhaul the Star Trek music in a pretty convincing way, that is talking epic stuff.
    And his Incredibles was a solicitation for the job if only EON would listen
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Plus he done the music for ALIAS, Up and the Medal of Honour games on PS1! ;-)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,360
    And his music for Mission: Impossible 3 and Ghost Protocol. :)
  • jerome007jerome007
    Posts: 158
    Not to be disrespectful to anyone but whoever rates Arnold as better than Barry obviously haven't listened to FRWL & OHMSS. Arnold is good but Barry's a whole other league.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Who rates Arnold better than Barry? I don't think I've ever heard any one go that far.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    IMO, we haven't had a spectacular score since The Living Daylights. GoldenEye was decent as it stands out from the rest of the, yes, generic scores of Arnold and Newman, but the magic of John Barry is no longer present in the series. Unfortunately, the score is just something that I don't look forward to in a Bond movie anymore.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    AVTAK's score was even better, in my opinion.

    I do like some of Arnold's work, though. I'd prefer him over Newman at this point.
    Happy for a new composer to get a shot, though.
  • fromswedenwithlovefromswedenwithlove
    Posts: 654
    Getafix wrote:
    fromswedenwithlove wrote:
    I don´t miss him THAT much... He did a solid job with the Brosnan-era and a brilliant job with CR and QoS, but Newman´s score was just amazing! Just epic all the way! I do not mind if they bring Arnold back, but I would prefer another Newman.


    Seriously? 'Epic'...?

    I never joke about Bond Getafix...
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    I think you've got an even dryer sense of humour than me, in that case.
  • fromswedenwithlovefromswedenwithlove
    Posts: 654
    Getafix wrote:
    I think you've got an even dryer sense of humour than me, in that case.

    Tell me this is´nt epic..


    I rest my case.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    err, I assume you are actually kidding. this music sounds like it's been lifted from some afternoon cop show. utterly lame.
  • fromswedenwithlovefromswedenwithlove
    edited July 2014 Posts: 654
    Getafix wrote:
    err, I assume you are actually kidding. this music sounds like it's been lifted from some afternoon cop show. utterly lame.

    We have different opinions that's for sure, 'cause I´m not kidding. I love it! :)
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited July 2014 Posts: 11,425
    dear oh dear. some people are very easily pleased. no wonder SF was so popular!
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