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  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: QOS (One of my favorite chases in the series)
    Title Track: TWINE (Very close here, neither are what I'd call brilliant, but I like both)
    Title Credits: QOS (Barely edges here)
    Main Villain: TWINE (The Elektra/Renard combo and Greene? no contest)
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE (2 for the price of one perhaps?)
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE (Brosnan sure can throw some lines out there)
    Score: QoS (Honestly I really like the score in this one)
    Settings: QOS
    Action: TWINE (All kinds of action in both films, but prefer the diverse action in TWINE)
    Humor: TWINE (was there humor in QOS?)
    Cinematography: TWINE (this has been discussed, horrible cuts sometimes in QOS)
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE (Renard)
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE (Zukovsky for the win!!)

    12-5 The World is Not Enough
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Let's get our final entries in, folks. Remember that yours could change the match-up!
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Looks like we have no final entries. So we reach our final decision, as TWINE runs over QoS by a margin of 231-171-6. Six people had one tie each, which is odd. Anyway, on to our next match, as the two movies edged out by OHMSS collide: From Russia With Love vs. Casino Royale!

    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL (very close)
    Dialogue: FRWL (the train sequence nearly launches CR to victory, but the little finger dialogue kills it)
    Score: FRWL (the original Barry!)
    Settings: FRWL (can't beat that Istanbul)
    Action: CR (sorry, train fight)
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: FRWL (revenge of the train fight!)
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: FRWL (surprisingly close all the same)
    Ally: CR (Oh, goodness, one of the closest matches yet, but when in doubt, go with Felix)

    From Russia with Love just edges it by a margin of 9-8. Fitting for the 2nd and 3rd best Bonds ever. Fellow MI6-ers, if you could post your scores, and mods, if you could change the thread title, I would be much obliged.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,474
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR (tossup honestly, but more memorable lines in CR)
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR (most suspenseful Bond film for me)
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: FRWL (tossup; I'll just give 1 to FRWL)
    Ally: CR

    Blowout of 14-3 in favor of CR. CR ranks #1 in my rankings, while FRWL places at #10.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited September 2014 Posts: 6,844
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: FRWL
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL (close call here, though)
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: FRWL

    Casino Royale wins, 12-5
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: FRWL
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: FRWL
    Ally: FRWL
    10 to 7 for Casino
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2014 Posts: 14,590
    Before I finalize my scores, what are the benign bizarre elements of these two films? Spectre employing people to wear Bond masks and pit them against an assassin in a hedge maze, filming Bond on the job in his hotel suite, LeChiffre's weepy eye etc.?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    QBranch wrote: »
    Before I finalize my scores, what are the benign bizarre elements of these two films? Spectre employing people to wear Bond masks and pit them against an assassin in a hedge maze, filming Bond on the job in his hotel suite, LeChiffre's weepy eye etc.?

    It's really your own subjective view of what constitutes the "benign bizarre" in either film, but yeah, training assassins in hedge mazes, filming sex for black mail, gypsy girl fights, shoe knives, watch garrotes, SPECTRE's whole plot of framing and murdering Bond, Le Chiffre's bleeding eye, the Body Worlds exhibit, playing Texas Hold 'Em for the fate of the free world, beating a naked man's groin with a knotted rope—all that and more, I'd say constitutes the "benign bizarre."
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    FRWL vs CR

    PTS: FRWL
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: FRWL
    Settings:FRWL
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: FRWL
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: FRWL
    Ally: FRWL

    FRWL - 11
    CR - 6

    I thought this would be much closer. FRWL and CR are both very highly rated for me.

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,590
    Cheers, @Some_Kind_Of_Hero. There's certainly some good examples in either film. I forgot CR's torture scene (for two obvious reasons), but I think FRWL just edges it for this one.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2014 Posts: 14,590
    FRWL vs CR- As Connery in FRWL would say- "Thish might take shome time."

    PTS: CR (FRWL is great and simple, but CR's kicks derrière)
    Title Track: CR (would be a more difficult decision if FRWL's title track was the vocal version by Matt)
    Title Credits: CR (close call, I do like the simplicity of the projections on the belly dancer)
    Main Villain: FRWL (very close call- counting Klebb as the main villain here)
    Main Bond Girl: CR (love Tania, but Vesper gets more to do)
    Overall Plot: FRWL (another close call)
    Dialogue: FRWL (close call, but there's no 'I have no armour you stripped it' fluff in FRWL)
    Score: FRWL (close call- CR was really well done, but I love the music during the Gypsy fight, train montage better)
    Settings: FRWL (close call here)
    Action: CR (Bond's fight with Grant almost outdoes all of CR's action combined)
    Humour: CR (not as much humour in FRWL as I thought)
    Cinematography: CR (angles, b+w footage etc.)
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL (Bond masks, sex tapes, gypsy girl fight to the death etc.)
    Suspense: FRWL (PTS, train fight)
    Minor Characters: CR (Mollaka, Dimitrios, Carlos, Obanno, White, Solange)
    Glamour: CR (close call)
    Ally: FRWL (tough decision, Kerim vs Mathis/Felix)

    FRWL: 8 / CR: 9

    A most satisfying outcome between top-tier Bond films.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters:FRWL
    Glamour: FRWL
    Ally: FRWL

    FRWL - 7
    CR - 10
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited September 2014 Posts: 2,629
    The epic #1 vs #2 battle

    PTS: CR (2006 B&W over 1963 color)
    Title Track: CR (FRWL song one of the very glitches in FRWL)
    Title Credits: FRWL (You can never have enough bellies shaking in a MTS)
    Main Villain: FRWL (Nash, Klebb...either way. They both could piss blood instead of weeping it.)
    Main Bond Girl: CR (Two worthy candidates, but Eva Green has done well after CR)
    Overall Plot: FRWL (Both realistic, but SPECTRE kept it simple this one time)
    Dialogue: FRWL (less crude)
    Score: CR (see title track)
    Settings: FRWL (CR went to some nice places, but none of them were Istanbul)
    Action: CR (The train fight and gypsy compound battle were legendary, but the African Rundown was mind blowing on a whole new level)
    Humor: CR (Do I look like I give a damn what you think of my response)
    Cinematography: CR (Too much background film in FRWL for my taste)
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL (Gypsy compound)
    Suspense: CR (Combined last poker hand and Vesper's suicide)
    Minor Characters: FRWL (Best ensembles of all time)
    Glamour: CR (The traditional casino glamour works every time)
    Ally: FRWL (Mathis was great and all, but anyone who votes against Kerim should be sent to a Turkish prison)

    CR defends my #1 rating with a 9-8 victory.
  • Ed83Ed83
    Posts: 1,181
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: FRWL
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters:FRWL
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: CR

    FRWL - 4
    CR - 13

    I love FRWL, but these are tough decisions when it is put up against CR!
  • OtisFairplayOtisFairplay
    Posts: 47
    PTS: Casino Royale
    Title Track: Casino Royale
    Title Credits: From Russia with Love
    Main Villain: From Russia with Love
    Main Bond Girl: From Russia with Love
    Overall Plot: From Russia with Love
    Dialogue: From Russia with Love
    Score: From Russia with Love
    Settings: From Russia with Love
    Action: Casino Royale
    Humor: Casino Royale
    Cinematography: From Russia with Love
    Benign Bizarre: From Russia with Love
    Suspense: From Russia with Love
    Minor Characters: From Russia with Love
    Glamour: Casino Royale
    Ally: From Russia with Love

    From Russia with Love: 12
    Casino Royale: 5

    No slight on Casino Royale, though. Or at least not a very big one.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    PTS: FRWL
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: FRWL
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: FRWL
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: FRWL
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: FRWL
    Action: Casino Royale
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: FRWL
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: FRWL
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: FRWL
    Ally: FRWL

    FRWL - CR 16-1

    Fairly easy classic Fleming against a touch of Fleming going OTT
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    This will be extremely difficult, both mostly excellent.

    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: FRWL
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: FRWL
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: FRWL
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: FRWL
    Ally: CR

    FRWL - CR 9-8
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: FRWL
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: FRWL
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: FRWL
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: CR
    Action: Tie (I think that FRWLs action is very much scaled down, but it's very good action that suits the film. CRs action is the opposite, but works for that film also. Hard to decide, so...)
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: FRWL
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: FRWL

    FRWL-CR

    12-4-1
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: FRWL
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: FRWL

    Casino Royale wins 13-4
  • daltondalton
    Posts: 1,631
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: FRWL
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: FRWL
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: FRWL
    Action: FRWL
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: FRWL
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: FRWL
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: FRWL
    Ally: FRWL

    15-2 in favor of FRWL



  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    FRWL vs CR

    PTS: CR
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: FRWL
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: FRWL
    Settings:CR
    Action: CR
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: FRWL
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: FRWL

    FRWL - 9
    CR - 8

    So many close categories that were toss ups. I'm sure this score would change on a week to week basis. These are two of my top 3 Bond films and though CR I'd put ahead in my own personal rankings, by the elements, I have FRWL by a hair.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    Title Track: From Russia With Love
    Title Credits: From Russia With Love
    Main Villain: From Russia With Love
    Main Bond Girl: From Russia With Love
    Overall Plot: From Russia With Love
    Dialogue: From Russia With Love
    Score: From Russia With Love
    Settings: From Russia With Love
    Action: From Russia With Love
    Humor: From Russia With Love
    Cinematography: From Russia With Love
    Benign Bizarre: From Russia With Love
    Suspense: From Russia With Love
    Minor Characters: From Russia With Love
    Glamour: From Russia With Love
    Ally: From Russia With Love

    From Russia With Love: 16
    Casino Royale: 0
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited September 2014 Posts: 4,423
    PTS: Casino Royale
    Title Track: Casino Royale
    Title Credits: Casino Royale
    Main Villain: From Russia With Love
    Main Bond Girl: Casino Royale
    Overall Plot: From Russia With Love
    Dialogue: From Russia With Love
    Score: Casino Royale
    Settings: From Russia With Love
    Action: Casino Royale
    Humor: From Russia With Love
    Cinematography: Casino Royale
    Benign Bizarre: From Russia With Love
    Suspense: From Russia With Love
    Minor Characters: From Russia With Love
    Glamour: From Russia With Love
    Ally: From Russia With Love

    From Russia With Love: 10
    Casino Royale: 7

    As it should be. FRWL #1, CR #3
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: FRWL
    Action: CR
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: CR
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: CR

    CR 13-4 FRWL

  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    PTS: Casino Royale
    Title Track: From Russia With Love
    Title Credits: From Russia With Love
    Main Villain: Casino Royale
    Main Bond Girl: Casino Royale (close)
    Overall Plot: From Russia With Love
    Dialogue: Casino Royale
    Score: From Russia With Love
    Settings: From Russia With Love
    Action: Casino Royale
    Humor: Casino Royale
    Cinematography: From Russia With Love
    Benign Bizarre: From Russia With Love
    Suspense: Casino Royale
    Minor Characters: From Russia With Love
    Glamour: From Russia With Love
    Ally: From Russia With Love


    10-7 FRWL.

    Odd because I actually believe CR to be the better film. A lot of close ones here.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    PTS: Casino Royale
    Title Track: Casino Royale
    Title Credits: Casino Royale
    Main Villain: Casino Royale
    Main Bond Girl: From Russia With Love
    Overall Plot: From Russia With Love
    Dialogue: Casino Royale
    Score: Casino Royale
    Settings: From Russia With Love
    Action: Casino Royale
    Humor: Casino Royale
    Cinematography: Casino Royale
    Benign Bizarre: From Russia With Love
    Suspense: Casino Royale
    Minor Characters: Casino Royale (bottom line, Mathis over Karim Bey)
    Glamour: From Russia With Love
    Ally: From Russia With Love

    CR:11
    FRWL:6
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: FRWL
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: FRWL
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: FRWL
    Suspense: FRWL
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: FRWL

    From Russia With Love: 9
    Casino Royale: 8
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    This dropped off pretty quickly. Any more entries for this one?
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited October 2014 Posts: 4,423
    edit
  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: FRWL
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: FRWL
    Action: CR
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: CR
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: FRWL

    10-7 Casino Royale
    very tough on this one, enjoy both films very much.
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