Could Brosnan have convinced you as 007 in CR and QoS ?

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    NSNA must count for something! Each to their own. :-D
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    NSNA must count for something! Each to their own. :-D
    it counts as movie.

    it even counts as a Bond movie.

    but it's not part of the official MGM/UA/Sony Cannon of films.... I can't even call the film an official Bond film, because it is legally without a vast majority of the official trademarks.. ie: gun barrel, Bond theme, and even the 007 logo used for promotion.

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    I don't think Pierce could convince me of anything except selling suits at Brooks Brothers.
  • Brosnan even seemed a little out of place in Die Another Day from last viewing, maybe TWINE should of been his last, that was his best and he should of quit when he was ahead, seemed 'slightly' past it in 2002 but maybe I'm being too hard on the guy

    Therefore, Pierce in CR or QOS even just wouldn't have worked, there is no way Brosnan could of pulled off the Madagascar scenes and there was a lot of other bits that hard work and endurance were necessary and Brosnan seems now, at least in hindsight, incapable of pulling off, unless they went along the lines of Moore in 1985 and have a stunt double do most of his scenes for the real action

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    Brosnan as James Bond 007 was at his best in the part in DAD, however Craigs 007 is a whole different cup of tea.

    Which is perhaps why the franchise has survived the times, the different performers gave their versions best suited for the times. It is their individual strength.
  • Why do you feel Brosnan was at his best in Die Another Day? :-??

    General consensus is usually it was Pierce's worst 007 adventure
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    Why do you feel Brosnan was at his best in Die Another Day?

    General consensus is usually it was Pierce's worst 007 adventure
    A lot of people think that Brosnan gave his best performance as Bond in Die Another Day. The film was still garbage, mind you, but people are referring the actual PERFORMANCE of Brosnan and Brosnan alone. I personally think that his TND and DAD performances were his best; smarmy, overconfident and slightly rude. His GE and TWINE performances, which were a little more serious and dramatized, didn't suit him very well. (Though, GoldenEye was Brosnan's best film by far.)

    Because CR and QOS were written for a different actor, Brosnan would have been terrible in them. Had Brosnan gotten a fifth chance, I think EON would have gone the more MR ---> FYEO route, however. MGW and Babs had realized how ridiculous the series had got and it was time for something else. (Hell, that is why they let Brosnan go in the first place!) I was always shocked (and still am) that they got rid of Brosnan when they did. He was always guaranteed hit at the box office. Brozza's Bond films were generally blasé, but to many they got the job done and that was good enough for the mass film audience. EON could have easily kept Brosnan around for one more film and made it a proper, down to earth swan song. He was looking a tad older in DAD, but looked far better than Moore in OP and AVTAK and Connery in DAF. (I still do not understand how Connery aged 15 years between 1967 and 1971 ;-) ) They could have milked one more Brosnan film, but it would not have been in the exact style of the Craig films. Maybe Brosnan's 5th would have been a little more serious, but I almost guarantee you all the Brosnan aspects would be in place: machine gun fire, bad puns (albeit less of them), and another big name Hollywood Bond girl.
  • But isin't Bond supposed to be charming, sophisticated and endearing?, maybe it's a hangover from my Connery experiences, even Lazenby followed these traits, Moore too etc, there wasn't anything rude or smarmy about them, just good Bonds doing what they did with what they had to work with

    I will always maintain that Brosnan appeared at times over americanized, yes, smarmy, and not what Fleming intended, I don't have an issue with the man, Pierce is a very well known and established actor, I enjoyed his Bond tenure for the most part, but there was times when you would watch and think 'something doesn't feel right here etc'
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    But isin't Bond supposed to be charming, sophisticated and endearing?, maybe it's a hangover from my Connery experiences, even Lazenby followed these traits, Moore too etc, there wasn't anything rude or smarmy about them, just good Bonds doing what they did with what they had to work with

    I will always maintain that Brosnan appeared at times over americanized, yes, smarmy, and not what Fleming intended, I don't have an issue with the man, Pierce is a very well known and established actor, I enjoyed his Bond tenure for the most part, but there was times when you would watch and think 'something doesn't feel right here etc'
    I just found Brosnan to be more convincing at being smarmy and overconfident as opposed to serious and dramatic. What specific characteristics fall into one's views on the character of James Bond is another story. But I for sure see where you're coming from @Baltimore_007.
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    Double post.X(
  • Quentin Tarantino at one point wanted to do Casino Royale instead of Martin Campbell with Pierce Brosnan as Bond. He said he would have set it after the events of OHMSS in the 50's, filmed in entirely black and white.

    Allegedly Pierce Brosnan said he would only have stayed on to do Casino Royale if Tarantino was hired.
  • Finished films are a combination of several events, and even changing one element that goes into making a film can lead to dramatically different results. If Brosnan had done CR it would be a wildly different film than the one we were given.

    Let's assume that Brosnan was not let go and the version of CR that we got in 2006 was pretty much the same with some minor script changes - instead of Bond being a new 00 maybe he was recently brought back to the service after a long break to recover from the 14 months of torture in DAD (let's pretend after the events of the film it caught up with him there was delayed PTSD, or even some different unseen mission that led to a long recovery). That's probably the easiest way to look at it.

    Assuming that the style of the script was the same and that Campbell directed in the same style we still would have gotten a competent film. But the crucial core would be missing which is Craig. For example, the action scenes would be changed considerably - Brosnan would not be convincing in the ones that we saw. But the action scenes in CR also helped with character definition - how many times have we heard about Bond's ego and his bullheadedness? That was so clearly demonstrated in Craig's Madagascar chase and that was pretty much a set-piece with no dialogue!

    Craig also gives a subtle performance and very interesting line readings throughout CR which I doubt Brosnan would have matched. He had the chance to have done so in his other films but did not. I can't believe that he was capable of giving different (better?)performances in his other films and chose not to; I think that his performances are fairly standard and obvious and can't see him changing. The big change for me in his performances was that he was fairly restrained in GE but then became the smug, self-satisfied Bond starting in TND and continuing (and getting worse IMHO) through the next two films. I would have liked to see him continue in the same vein as GE but I think a lot of that goes to Martin Campbell. He might have nudged Brosnan towards that type of performance again but I doubt we'd hit (BAFTA nominated) Craig's level of performance.

    The CR we got suited Craig's acting chops (although I think he could have elevated any of Brosnan's films) and physicality. I'm pretty damn glad we got the CR that we did.
  • Quite right with the last bit, Royale would never have worked or had the success it did if Brosnan had played the role, Craig played it more straight faced and reminded me to an extent of Dalton and his two outings
  • tqbtqb
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    i'd like to see Brosnan in those blue swimtrunks ;P
  • I think that Daniel Craig was overrated as Bond in Casino Royale (the poor blighter was not given much to work with in the poor Quantum of Solace). I disliked his Bond but acknowledge that many die hard Bond fans enjoyed his new take on the character. But personally I don't feel that looking miserable and wobbling drinks in front of a mirror conveys emotional depth.

    Brosnan could have been miserable but Daniel Craig would have trouble with a camp charming Conneryesque/Mooresque role.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I think Brosnan could of done both but the movies would have been different. The pretitle sequence and fighting would have been different. We also would of had Moneypenny and Q still, not to mention gadgets.
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    PB would be laughably bad in the fight scenes akin to RM.... lol!

    The movies would be terrible and would have killed off the series.
  • quantumofsolacequantumofsolace England
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    The very thought of Pierce The Plank in CR or QOS is simply too hideous for words! Thank heavens for Daniel Craig - the saviour of 007!
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    Brosnan could only sell me a suit. I am just not a fan of his and he would have never been able to pull off CR and QoS. Dalton could have easily handled these films and even GE and TWINE. I give DAD to Moore...
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    Brosnan was too old to do CR, that's all there is to that.

    <b>@ Flandry</b>- HOW do you know that Craig can't do Connery-like one liner humor? He just hasn't been given much to work with, but when he has such as the line about Fields' handcuffs in QOS, it was slam-dunk good.
    The very thought of Pierce The Plank in CR or QOS is simply too hideous for words! Thank heavens for Daniel Craig - the saviour of 007!

    I salute you sir!

  • as i said before, if they rebooted the series in 1995 then i have no doubt brosnan could've done both of them, but in 2006/08 he was too old. He could've done 1 or 2 more but CR and QOS would've been too physical at that time considering his age.
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    In a word, NO. Both in terms of acting ability and physique. Craig owns CR and QOS. C
  • tqb wrote:
    <blockquote rel="Luds">Brosnan was already too old and fat in DAD, it would have been a farce in CR/QOS.

    Based on his lack of acting skills and pain faces, had CR been made during his tenure, it would have heen a TWINE type disaster ;)</blockquote>

    apparently im the only person who enjoyed twine

    TWINE is my 2nd favourite bond film, i loved it and i think its by far brosnans best
  • QBranch wrote:
    NSNA must count for something! Each to their own. :-D

    to me it counts as connerys best bond film (don't kill me, i enjoyed it)
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