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That was not difficult.
Maybe not a controversial opinion, but a controversial, even shameful, feeling I had as a child when I first watched the last fifteen minutes of OHMSS: I was happy Tracy died. It meant Bond could keep on shagging Bond girls.
What can I say, I was very young.
( I don't believe any of that, just trying to be Controversial ) :D
The more I think about it the more I wonder whether he may have a point.
Have copied them, in style and format ? ;)
To say DAD is the worst Bond is very controversial in my opinion. DAD is far from the worst.
I believe it only gets that much hate because of the infamous CGI surfing scene.
Most people even don't make an effort to watch it again to be convinced otherwise.
There are much more worse special effects in some of the most beloved Bond movies.
The Spy Who Loved Me may have the silliest, most ridiculous and bad special effect of all time. When the speed boat gets jettisoned from Strombergs underwater station.
That looks like a scene from Team America it's that bad. You can clearly see it's puppets on a miniature boat. Just utterly bad, bad, bad.
I can overlook that, it's like 5 seconds.
Why can people not just go on and accept the CGI surfing scene in DAD?
I guess it just needs another decade then DAD belongs to the "old" Bond movies and nobody will care anymore if there's a 5 second long bad special effect in it.
Have a look at the scene again and tell me it's not, at the very least, cringe-inducing.
it is awful, no doubt about it.
I didn't say it's not awful. I just put it into perspective to other such moments in other Bond movies.
By the way, I guess you cannot watch movies like Harry Potter 1-2 and Spider-Man 1 anymore too because they have the same horrible CGI in it and much more longer scenes and many of them too!!
Funny that ;)
( only joking) ;)
I'm pretty sure people have many more problems with DAD other than the surfing scene.
The CGI surfing scene is bad not just because of it's use of poor CGI, but because it also craps on all the brilliant stunt work in prior James Bond films. Comparing it to the speed boat jettison in TSWLM doesn't really work either, because as you said yourself, it's 5 seconds at most, and we are talking about a film made in 1977.
yeah, I know the invisible car. Something I find rather amusing, both in the movie and the opinion on it by many who bash those scenes.
It's a thread about controversy, I say DAD getting that much hate is highly controversial.
I could say the same thing about DAF who seems to get even more hate.
I don't understand you. You think that the majority opinion that Die Another Day is the worst Bond film is controversial?
What really sucks about it is that if they had just reconceptualized the scene, they could have accomplished it via a series of cuts that didn't scream Hanna-Barbera or seaQuest. Do some low-flying aerial over real water for his subjective plunge. Then, when you have to show a figure, do it BRAZIL style, shooting UP ata a model Bond and chute shot high-speed. You do about 100 takes and sooner or later, one of them will look okay, and you have it in-camera, or can then just add spray in the foreground.
The notion of putting all your VFX eggs in a single CGI basket has done more harm to visual credibility and cinematic storytelling in the last 15-18 years than the misuse of digital intermediates. Up until the late 90s, it was only a rare film with more than a hundred or 150 vfx shots, now it is the rare films that has less (less than double that, probably.) Design the shot right and execute it credibly and you don't need the other seven views of the ship flying by - you really don't!
Bond runs away
Bond escapes in jet sled thing
Parasurfing
Goes back to the ice palace
Runs away again
Escapes in Aston Martin
The Aston Martin chase serves a purpose because it gets Bond out of the way allowing Graves to escape, but the whole jet sled/parasurfing sequence could be cut entirely and the audience would be none the wiser, especially since Bond isn't even at all dishevelled when he goes back to the ice palace.
In fact I think that's true of a lot in DAD, it could just be cut out. Some bad stuff would have to remain (eg- robosuit, because Bond has to kill Graves) but I bet a fan could produce a much shorter, but also better version of Die Another Day. Replace the gunbarrel with one of the other Brosnan ones, play different music over the theme song, and cut out several scenes and lines and you'd end up with a flawed, not brilliant film, but decent entertaining 90 minute action film.
I guess but at least in those films the chase scenes were entertaining and got Bond somewhere. The parasurfing is a CGI mess and then by the end of it Bond is in exactly the same position he was in before anyway (back at the ice palace with his cover blown), it's completely pointless.
I agree that some cutting to the second half could improve TND though. The first half is brilliant but the second half is a bit bloated imo. The action is good (the tower escape, the bike chase, all great inventive setpieces with good stuntwork) but there's still too much. I'd trim the finale a bit.
I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies to Surrender.
Oh, hahahahah, *choke* LOL :))
OMG, biggest laff of the week!!! Thanks! :))
If only they were mediocre...One can wish.