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Both are fairly weak but If I were to pick one, it would probably be TND despite its cheesiness.
Glad to see you about these here forums @00Beast
Much more action and much more stylish and a more sophisticated film.
Tomorrow never dies its pure action, the other one looks like a Bond parody
I mean, it's weird... no "Don't care much for...", it's almost always "Worst film", "Utter garbage", or "Nadir of the Franchise". :P
I just can't 'hate' a movie that hasn't punched me. :-j
There used to be no question in my mind; I would have chosen TND over TMWTGG without hesitation years ago. Now, as TMWTGG crawls up my rankings and continually impresses me more and more, it's not so easy to choose between them. Where TMWTGG shines in its adventurous feel, it also lacks in distracting gags. Where TND shines in action, it also lacks in "meat." There were several times throughout TND when I wished the movie put more emphasis on fleshing out the plot than just moving from one action set piece to the next. The first half of the movie does a good job with distributing its action among a steadily progressing plot, but the second half seems to just want to get to the finale. This hurried mindset in the second half really hurts TND and makes me appreciate TMWTGG for staying steadily on track, even if there are too many corny jokes along the way.
Still, TND holds up well in that delicate Bond balance between fun and seriousness. Brosnan never fails to make us believe that he is 007, and Elliot Carver is quite the bone-chilling villain. I've always enjoyed his place in TND. The rest of the characters are fairly toss-away, and the Paris and Wai Lin Bond Girl duo is potentially the worst of the series. Both are far too annoying and relatively useless. However, TMWTGG doesn't provide much in characters either besides Scaramanga, Andrea Anders, and Roger Moore's spectacular take on 007 for his second outing.
Musically and location-wise, both might as well be even. They both make good use of each of these elements.
There's the potential for a gridlock between these two, but out of some slight sentiment and liking for a more serious approach, I'll give the edge to Tomorrow Never Dies.
This one's a little easier for you, in that case, haha!
By the way, many thanks to @royale65 for the welcome back!
I loved Lee as Scaramanga in TMWTGG but the plot was all over the place and tonally it's one of Moore's more schitzophrenic films.
Objectively, TND is probably the better film. Indeed, there are many enjoyable moments in the first half. That second half though... yikers. I think I'd probably rather watch Sir Roger's uneven second effort.
Gun wins this one for me.
The Man with the Golden Gun: 10
Tomorrow Never Dies: 16
TND is the winner! I was very curious to see what the turn out would be, knowing that both of these tended to be towards the bottom of many fans' rankings. There was good support for both sides, though, with many surprising defenses for TMWTGG being more "classic Bond" than TND. It'll be neat to see if TMWTGG can cement this classic status and perhaps out-do TND someday; however, for today, TND is the more appreciated!
Next round begins now:
Thunderball vs. License to Kill
A Connery classic up against a very daring Dalton outing- have at it!
Thunderball and I have a curious relationship. Whether I am able to appreciate it or not seems to be solely a matter of mood and timing. One day I'd love it for it's grand scope, classic vibe, lush locations and Connery, the next day I might fall asleep due to its slow pace and dragging story. I can't wrap my head around it.
LTK though I enjoy immensely every time. It truly is one of the great classics for me!
Thunderball is a great film, a giant step up from the lackluster third film, Goldfinger. Wonderful set design, great underwater sequences, a fantastic villain in Largo, and a decent 60s Bond Girl in Domino. There's literally nothing I have to say negatively about Thunderball.
License to Kill is a damned good film, not a true step up from The Living Daylights, but equally as good. Sanchez is Dalton's best villain, and at least they grabbed one of the better Felix Leiters to reprise his role. Being tied with TLD, this is instantly the best Bond film of the 80s, and just one of my favorites overall.
After careful consideration, much thought, and a lot of sweat, I have to choose License to Kill. It's just an amazing film.
Have to give it to Thunderball #10 against LTK #11
Dosen't get closer for any matchup i think
Having said that, it's not even worthwhile to compare it to the legend that is TB. This is Connery at the top of his game, and that in itself (even if the associated film was a piece of 's' which it most certainly is not - it's excellent...) is enough to give it a clear and decisive victory, no offense to Dalton or anyone involved in LTK.
The girls alone can give TB a win before the boots are laced up, even if Connery was not involved.