Timothy Dalton or Daniel Craig?

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  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I'd love to see a non Bond film featuring Craig and Dalton, the best actors to have played 007 imo.
    Craig should show up on the set of Penny Dreadful.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Daniel Craig. Ashamed to say I'm quite singularly obsessed with the Craig era these days. Although I also love Dalton.
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Moore's is at least half the time too.

    I know ;) but only half the time and he did it better!
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 1,778
    Craig easily won this choice just with CR alone.

    There were times in which I liked Dalton's portrayal. In particular, the scene with Pushkin in the hotel room, as well as his first meeting with Sanchez in the casino office. Maybe if he would have been able to do a third or fourth film and cement a legacy then he could have been one of the best.

    I feel the same way. Had Craig called it a day after CR and never made another Bond movie I'd still rank him #1 or #2. His performance in CR was the most engaging Bond portrayal since the early Connery days.

    The last time I posted on this thread was 3 years ago, before the release of SF and the trailer for SP. Since then I hold Craig in an even higher regard and now think he's much better than Dalton. In the SP trailer Craig was giving out dashes of Connery and as of right now it looks like it'll be his most Bondian performance to date.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited August 2015 Posts: 4,043
    I've realised after noticing what some other members have said about Dalton's portrayal being stage like, the over emphasising things, once you see it's hard to shake off and this is where for me Dalton falls down.

    There a number of times he delivers dialogue where it just sounds off, "better make that two" "He got the boot" "Dellah" and of course "It was about to turn nasty"

    Although until Craig came along Dalton was no. 2 with Connery at no. 1 as Bond for me I realised the films themselves aren't that great. Dalton is for the most part but lets face it LTK is a very jarring film, as jarring as Skyfall is full of plot holes. Skyfall for all the faults leveled at it does not jar and doesn't shoehorn in Bondian moments and characters that don't suit the tone of the plot.

    Dalton just never nailed the overall traits of the character, yes he was deadly and tough but the dead pan wit, the suaveness? those other refinements were missing for me, Dalton also isn't particularly cinematic as Bond.

    Whereas Craig is the most cinematic Bond since Connery, at times Moore could have been playing the role on TV for the cosy feel of his entries, Dalton is similar but Craig's interpretation like Sean's feels cinematic, a Bond for the big screen.

    So it's going to be Craig for me, CR was the best debut since Connery and for me he's just gone from strength to strength in the role. Maybe if Dalton had of got a better director and more time in the role the awkwardness would have subsided as he got more confident with the role but I guess we'll never know.
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    Daniel Craig for me. Both great actors and play the part of Bond well, however, as he's now on to his 4th Craig has the edge.
  • Mark_HazzardMark_Hazzard Classified
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    Close call, but I'd go with Dalton. He's closer to Fleming's Bond.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    As Timothy Dalton is my favourite Bond it is hard for me to say he's less good than Craig.

    The main challenge in comparing those two is the different amounts of movies they made (make).
    Craig's fourth is on its way and from what I've seen only the story could ruin it at this point and it could become another Skyfall, which I certainly don't hope.
    If Spectre is as good as CR then it will be difficult to say Dalton is better than Craig.

    If I only judge from acting, then it's blatantly clear. Craig is nowhere near Dalton.
    Craig is one-dimensional. I've said this before, he's only good at running, fighting, looking grim, angry or hurt. That he does better than any of his predecessors including Connery! But when it comes to dry humour, wit or even romantic scenes, Craig fails.

    Dalton can do about anything, being a trained stage-actor helps and this can be seen in his two Bond movies. He has the same qualities as Patrick Stewart.
    Captain Picard and Dalton's Bond are acted in the same way and both succeed at it.

    I'm pretty certain if Dalton had gotten his third movie and possibly fourth, he would be everybody's favourite.

    From an acting point of view: Dalton
    From the overall Bond experience: now Dalton, after Spectre probably and deservedly Craig.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Based on my recent Bondathon, I have to go with DC more firmly than I did before.

    Dalton in certain parts (usually the more action oriented and suspenseful parts) was very good indeed, but he was just so darn uncomfortable with the ladies (imho) that I just don't think he is a good 'screen' Bond when it's all said and done. I really believe I could have held my own much better with Bouvier and Kara (not to toot my own horn).

    DC does the suspense bits very well (and oh so cool - witness CR pretitles opener with Dryden - a scene to rival Connery's Dent kill). However, he is also quite smooth with the ladies when he needs to be.....the clowns who have directed him since CR have just not optimized that skill properly.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited October 2015 Posts: 5,131
    Craig. He has the star quality and presence over Dalton. Yes, Dalton is very much like Flemings creation and his films are class. But to me Craig is the best Bond since Connery and he starred in the best film since Connery, i.e. Casino Royale.

    Incidently, talking of 'harder Bonds' Connery would knock both TD & DC into the middle of next week in a fight (in his prime).
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Dalton was good but he doesn't light up the screen and I agree he lacks that cinematic star presence. If Bond was a TV series then Dalton would rate much better but I applaud his insistence to go back to basics with the character but there was just this obvious disparity between Fleming's character and the cinematic approach which he couldn't quite juggle and balance effectively.

    Craig on the other hand is an attention magnet just like Connery before him that commands the screen and elevates the material. The man is electrifying and has simply embodied the role with a natural and charismatic comfort where his two predecessors; Brosnan and Dalton failed.

    Craig's acting, his charisma, his showmanship abd his swagger is ridiculously on point....to levels not seen since early Connery. To be fair, for me, this isn't even a real contest. Craig wins each and every time. For me, Craig's only competition when it comes to the battle of tge Bonds is Connery and nobody beats big Tam.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    As Timothy Dalton is my favourite Bond it is hard for me to say he's less good than Craig.

    The main challenge in comparing those two is the different amounts of movies they made (make).
    Craig's fourth is on its way and from what I've seen only the story could ruin it at this point and it could become another Skyfall, which I certainly don't hope.
    If Spectre is as good as CR then it will be difficult to say Dalton is better than Craig.

    If I only judge from acting, then it's blatantly clear. Craig is nowhere near Dalton.
    Craig is one-dimensional. I've said this before, he's only good at running, fighting, looking grim, angry or hurt. That he does better than any of his predecessors including Connery! But when it comes to dry humour, wit or even romantic scenes, Craig fails.

    Dalton can do about anything, being a trained stage-actor helps and this can be seen in his two Bond movies. He has the same qualities as Patrick Stewart.
    Captain Picard and Dalton's Bond are acted in the same way and both succeed at it.

    I'm pretty certain if Dalton had gotten his third movie and possibly fourth, he would be everybody's favourite.

    From an acting point of view: Dalton
    From the overall Bond experience: now Dalton, after Spectre probably and deservedly Craig.

    I don't know if Dalton could have been everyone's favourite. But for me, the number of films doesn't really matter. Dalton did more with 2 than what Craig has done with 3, soon to be 4. Dalton's Bond was different between TLD and LTK, and no doubt would have been refined for Bond #17. While Craig mumbles his way through each film, with all the charm of a tree stump, starting out as not the Bond we know and love and ending exactly the same. He's consistently monotonous, i'll say that for for him.
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    Its so funny. When I read your name, all I thought was - How bad is it gonna be" ;)
    Consistency is something you share with him though :D
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 11,189
    I've said this before but I think Craig comes off as more relaxed, natural and confident in the role overall. I used to favour Dalton and still admire him for what he tried to do. However, a couple of years ago I compared the performances of the two and changed my view.

    Also, Craig has been able to demonstrate a real brutality Dalts only really hinted at. He (Dalton) never got a fight scene that on par with the bathroom or stairwell fight. To me, those gave Craig the edge.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2015 Posts: 13,978
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Its so funny. When I read your name, all I thought was - How bad is it gonna be" ;)
    Consistency is something you share with him though :D

    And we're both not right for Bond.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited October 2015 Posts: 11,139
    One of the biggest crimes was not having Dalton in the best fight scene that took place in his own movie (TLD) when Necros fights the agent at the mi6 safe house kitchen.

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    doubleoego wrote: »
    One of the biggest crimes was not having Dalton in the best fight scene that took place in his own movie (TLD) when Necros fights the agent at the mi6 safe house kitchen.

    How would that scene have ended though? Presumably Bond would have been knocked out like Green 4 was?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Not necessarily.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Actually, I'd have preferred that, Nercos beating Bond. Be a shock to the system, and would provide added drama for the next time they meet.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I keep hearing this stuff about Dalts being a trained actor. The best actors are instinctive. The best film actors more so. Craig is far and away the better film actor (Dalton is probably the most clueless film actor this side of William Shatner). Someone said Craig has no charisma, which leaves me slack jawed when faced with the most uncharasmatic film actor ever - Dalton.

    Now then, which is the best Bond? Well, that's a matter of personal opinion. Either or both, neither or none. Who cares? I prefer Craig, but Dalton looks ok, has nice timbre to his voice, is terrific in the action scenes. But on the downside no charm, lacking in the humorous moments, no real sex appeal and crying out for a decent haircut.
    Craig has charisma, has the most intriguing handsome/ugly face, is more convincing in the sex scenes, and his line delivery is confident and convincing (the most obvious since Connery). The biggest downer for me - he walks like a Neanderthal and should really sort that out. I liked the way Dalton walked and even now I copy it :-)
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I liked the way Dalton walked and even now I copy it

    It is all about the walk ;-)
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    Dalton! Craig is fantastic, but Dalton was way ahead of his time. And Ian Fleming would have chose Dalton as the most accurate interpretation of his character.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    NicNac wrote: »
    I keep hearing this stuff about Dalts being a trained actor. The best actors are instinctive. The best film actors more so. Craig is far and away the better film actor (Dalton is probably the most clueless film actor this side of William Shatner). Someone said Craig has no charisma, which leaves me slack jawed when faced with the most uncharasmatic film actor ever - Dalton.

    Now then, which is the best Bond? Well, that's a matter of personal opinion. Either or both, neither or none. Who cares? I prefer Craig, but Dalton looks ok, has nice timbre to his voice, is terrific in the action scenes. But on the downside no charm, lacking in the humorous moments, no real sex appeal and crying out for a decent haircut.
    Craig has charisma, has the most intriguing handsome/ugly face, is more convincing in the sex scenes, and his line delivery is confident and convincing (the most obvious since Connery). The biggest downer for me - he walks like a Neanderthal and should really sort that out. I liked the way Dalton walked and even now I copy it :-)

    I'm a big fan of DC, but I completely agree that he walks like there's an obstruction stuck somewhere causing undue discomfort. It could be the overly tight outfits Jany Temime has him in....not sure.

    On overall line delivery though, I personally think RM is just as good as SC (just different) and better than DC, who I rate 3rd.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Dalton! Craig is fantastic, but Dalton was way ahead of his time. And Ian Fleming would have chose Dalton as the most accurate interpretation of his character.

    Fleming wanted Roger Moore as Bond.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    @bondjames, indeed Moore is thoroughly underrated for his line delivery.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Had Dalton been better directed and not so stiff he might have made it. But Dalton and his films never won the audience or critics or other filmmakers for that matter.

    No one seemed to know what to do or where to go.

    Hands down for me its Craig.
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Dalton! Craig is fantastic, but Dalton was way ahead of his time. And Ian Fleming would have chose Dalton as the most accurate interpretation of his character.

    Fleming wanted Roger Moore as Bond.

    No he didn't. That's a myth. I heard Rog himself dispute it at one of his tours.
  • bond_azoozbondbond_azoozbond Portland,OR
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    How about Dalton in SPECTRE :

    I like this the most ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I'm afraid to say Dalton, Moore and Brosnan work better in the Spectre trailer than Craig himself.
    Such fan made trailers are quite revealing some uncomfortable truths!

    There's also a Connery one, the reason that one doesn't work so good is only because the age of the footage of Connery doesn't match the new footage. Otherwise of course even Connery would work better in the Spectre trailer.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Your agressive vendetta against Craig is unsophisticated and pathetic.
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