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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The 007 theme always sounded different in each film it appeared in, not to mention one one of the most memorable Bond themes to date. short motifs is one thing but Barry or Arnold never lifted a minute's worth of their previous work and used it again and the Bond theme doesn't count as recycling either because It's a Bond movie, it should be featured prominantly.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The reused music is a different variation, it's not the exact same one heard in SF.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Not that much different I'm afraid.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    The reused music is a different variation, it's not the exact same one heard in SF.
    Exactly right, and as one listens to it more times, it becomes less apparent, at least from my point of view.
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
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    Hi gueys may i join in..? I enjoyed a lot both musics we heard today, and although i agree that there is some variations from the Skyfall grand bazar music, still its to similar. And for me it was a bit disapoiting. Nevertheless i'm sure i'll love the soundtrack (still, for me David Arnold should be hired back, and his Casino Royale OST is just superb), cheers
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    'Backfire' will probably end up being one of my favorite cues from Spectre's OST. The ending is spectacular.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I hope there are more tracks with choir elements. That bit in Backfire was awesome and haunting. I got a Capsule in Space vibe from it.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    @jake24 I absolutely agree with you. I think every track will be true masterpiece for me. I really liked the ending, the Grand Bazaar elements and the choir bit.
    I also love the Donna Lucia track, truly amazing and Newman has really proven himself with these two tracks alone. Can't wait for next Friday to hear the rest of the tracks
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    aaron819 wrote: »
    @jake24 I absolutely agree with you. I think every track will be true masterpiece for me. I really liked the ending, the Grand Bazaar elements and the choir bit.
    I also love the Donna Lucia track, truly amazing and Newman has really proven himself with these two tracks alone. Can't wait for next Friday to hear the rest of the tracks
    Agreed. And my gut tells me we'll hear them sooner.
  • FourDotFourDot
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    The "Grand Bazaar" bit that folks are complaining about, it would seem, may well be Newman's "action cue" for Bond, since it comes back again in Skyfall for the Whitehall shootout if memory serves.
  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
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    When I first heard the track this morning I thought I heard hints of "she's mine" from SF.
    But as everyone has pointed out it's Grand Bazaar. I have listened to the track a few times this evening and its a good action piece. I think the inclusion of Grand Bazaar is Newman incorporating an action cue from his previous Bond score. There was the Bond theme (Monty Norman) the 007 theme (John Barry) and this is Newman adding his own to the mix. Can't wait to hear more.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Not going to read the track list, incase of spoilers?
  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
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    When I first glanced at the track list I thought
    Blindfold
    said
    Blofeld
    ;)
  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
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    'Backfire', to me, seems very inspired by Michael Giacchino's scores. Especially his work on The Incredibles and Alias.

    For instance, it reminds me very much of this track:


  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    jake24 wrote: »
    aaron819 wrote: »
    @jake24 I absolutely agree with you. I think every track will be true masterpiece for me. I really liked the ending, the Grand Bazaar elements and the choir bit.
    I also love the Donna Lucia track, truly amazing and Newman has really proven himself with these two tracks alone. Can't wait for next Friday to hear the rest of the tracks
    Agreed. And my gut tells me we'll hear them sooner.

    @jake24 Let's hope so
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Donna Lucia is just incredible stuff. Very romantic and lush. It takes me somewhere outside of the spy realm. I wish it was longer.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Donna Lucia is just incredible stuff. Very romantic and lush. It takes me somewhere outside of the spy realm.
    Agreed. I enjoyed it greatly. I think I even heard some inspiration from "Writing's on the wall" in it.
  • HMBFFHMBFF Lisboa, Portugal
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    I love both tracks, especialy Donna Lucia. It almost feels like a more minimalist reinterpretation of Barry's Bond Lured To Pyramid from MR.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I agree @HMBFF. That's one of my favourite MR tracks, and Donna Lucia & Bond Lured to Pyramid both have that epic, grand and enchanting, non-spy feel to them. Both excellent pieces with great string usage.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Murdock wrote: »
    The 007 theme always sounded different in each film it appeared in, not to mention one one of the most memorable Bond themes to date. short motifs is one thing but Barry or Arnold never lifted a minute's worth of their previous work and used it again and the Bond theme doesn't count as recycling either because It's a Bond movie, it should be featured prominantly.

    The Thames boat chase borrows heavily from the motorcycle chase in TND.

    I'm not bothered by Newman's use ...Will just bring back memories of SF for the audience.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2015 Posts: 16,362
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The 007 theme always sounded different in each film it appeared in, not to mention one one of the most memorable Bond themes to date. short motifs is one thing but Barry or Arnold never lifted a minute's worth of their previous work and used it again and the Bond theme doesn't count as recycling either because It's a Bond movie, it should be featured prominantly.

    The Thames boat chase borrows heavily from the motorcycle chase in TND.
    Where? I've listened to both many times and don't hear any reused elements.

    Edit, I've just listened to Both and neither of them sound alike. Maybe they follow the same structure but aside from the use of the Bond theme they sound nothing alike.


  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    I did read here, that "Backfire" used bits from "Grand Bazaar" from SF,. but that Newman actually cipied a large chunk from this track, amazed me, and, actually disappointed me a little. Hopefully he did not do this with the other stuff from SF. Well, we will have to wait and until next Friday.
  • BondFaninFLABondFaninFLA
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I listened to it again, and I really don't mind it. Having said that, the 'chase' seems a little overscored to a degree. I would have preferred if they scored the 'prelude' and then let the engine/skid sounds do the talking for the actual 'chase' - similar to what was done in arguably the greatest chase sequence ever (The prelude score here is magnificent and sticks with me):
    I know this comes as no surprise, but Daniel Craig reminds me SO MUCH of McQueen
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    jake24 wrote: »
    aaron819 wrote: »
    @jake24 I absolutely agree with you. I think every track will be true masterpiece for me. I really liked the ending, the Grand Bazaar elements and the choir bit.
    I also love the Donna Lucia track, truly amazing and Newman has really proven himself with these two tracks alone. Can't wait for next Friday to hear the rest of the tracks
    Agreed. And my gut tells me we'll hear them sooner.

    @jake24 Let's hope so
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Murdock wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The 007 theme always sounded different in each film it appeared in, not to mention one one of the most memorable Bond themes to date. short motifs is one thing but Barry or Arnold never lifted a minute's worth of their previous work and used it again and the Bond theme doesn't count as recycling either because It's a Bond movie, it should be featured prominantly.

    The Thames boat chase borrows heavily from the motorcycle chase in TND.
    Where? I've listened to both many times and don't hear any reused elements.

    Where? On the soundtrack?? Lol

    Jk.. I like the song and glad he did. I like both Arnold and Newman even though Newman is generic as h%'ll. And Arnold is fanboyish and too electronic.

  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Eon seems to be quite content with Arnold´s Bond scores ;-).
  • antovolkantovolk
    edited October 2015 Posts: 3,164
    New soundtrack preview (idk yet if new track or not) and Newman interview from BBC Radio 3 (starts at 48 minutes) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06gt253

    EDIT: it's just Backfire again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The track Donna Lucia is named after Monica Bellucci's character. If she's getting a theme that good, I wonder what Newman is has in store for us for Madeleine Swann. Probably that is the track that will borrow from Smith's song.
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited October 2015 Posts: 1,310
    For me:

    Backfire: A generic and relatively dull listen until perhaps the final 30 seconds, and even that is right out of "Grand Bazaar." (Though I do like the synthesized sounding "BAH-BAH" at the three minute mark even if it is fleeting.) Sounds like a whole lot of other action cues with its relentless notes and constant percussion (a trend I am very tired of). I'm sure it'll work just fine in the film, though.

    Donna Lucia: Similar to "Severine," which is decent. Gets the job done, I suppose and will also likely work in the film. Nothing to get too excited about.

    If Spectre's score is anything like Skyfall's the soundtrack will be a bore on its own, but will work fine within the film.

    And if it is like Skyfall's, I think we need a new composer for the next film.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @SJK91, my thoughts exactly.
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