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But they would have to withhold the deceit for later. You should be questioning her motives through the film.[/quote]
Yes, all fair points, what about my second option re the drill?
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I like it PatB - It would give the whole Drill scene in Spectre more substance. [/quote]
The issue is, would we see the drill scene, in whitch case the audience would be ahead of Bond (some hate this I know) or would we not see it so it would be a massive surprise when MS turned on Bond. Bond would see the tell tale scar from the drill and realised what had happened. , MS's would struggle between what Bond was telling her was the truth and her own version of events, as programmed into her. It would connect with the brain washing scenes from OHMSS
Yup I believe the series would not last half as long if every single film was a serious as Craig's films, or as fun as Moore's!
As much as I am enjoying Craig's tenure the WORST thing they could do once he leaves is try and recreate his tone. They need to shake it up, do something different, experiment (even if it fails!)
As with Connery, Moore and Brosnan, Craig's films have become more fantastical as he's gone on but the curve has been a lot less steep. I would point to SF being the first of Craig's movies being set in a 'Bond Universe' as opposed to the 'Real World' that CR and QoS is set in.
In SP Craig finally manages to defeat (if not kill) the baddy and save the Bond girl, both of them driving off into the sunset, so it feels like closure in a way (but I would be happy to have another film or two with Craig in the role).
Here's to Bond 25, set on a SPECTRE Moonbase, probably!
Well..I'll use Bruce Jenner as an example...he is Caitlyn Jenner now..but some people still call him Bruce.
now..real life examples (and this is nothing like Blofeld) aside..
Bond knew all his life this man as Oberhauser..he is used to calling him Oberhauser....when he saw him he called him Oberhauser...he had a hole drilled in his brain, and in all that chase....I think it's weird for him to randomly call him Blofeld.
Like....it's rushed..that whole Blofeld thing should have been handled better..
I waited for them to make a C*nt joke with C..when M said " I guess now we know what C stands for" I thought he would have called him that word but instead it was Careless. Oh well.
Yes, all fair points, what about my second option re the drill?
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I like it PatB - It would give the whole Drill scene in Spectre more substance. [/quote]
The issue is, would we see the drill scene, in whitch case the audience would be ahead of Bond (some hate this I know) or would we not see it so it would be a massive surprise when MS turned on Bond. Bond would see the tell tale scar from the drill and realised what had happened. , MS's would struggle between what Bond was telling her was the truth and her own version of events, as programmed into her. It would connect with the brain washing scenes from OHMSS[/quote]
Who's MS ?
And if you're talking about how Bond's brain should have been "injured" so he can forget Oberhauser as Oberhauser and only remember him as Blofeld....I agree 100%. They should have done that, and I was pretty sure they were going for that........aaand they didn't do it :(
Yes, all fair points, what about my second option re the drill?
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I like it PatB - It would give the whole Drill scene in Spectre more substance. [/quote]
The issue is, would we see the drill scene, in whitch case the audience would be ahead of Bond (some hate this I know) or would we not see it so it would be a massive surprise when MS turned on Bond. Bond would see the tell tale scar from the drill and realised what had happened. , MS's would struggle between what Bond was telling her was the truth and her own version of events, as programmed into her. It would connect with the brain washing scenes from OHMSS[/quote]
Not unless it was already done when Swann was a child? Hence "I remember you when you were a child" "I don't remember you" "Oh but I remember you"
C? It doesn't. Or, possibly in some language in the world it might, I couldn't possibly know, but in most I would imagine not. (The same with countless other jokes in Bond movies.)
There's no self-deprecating wit, and no witty rejoinders which might make him seem more human and likable. Certainly no laughing at himself as Dalton's Bond did when discovering he'd been called 'a horse's arse'.
Not even an, 'That's because you know what I can do with my little finger'.
The closest thing from humour in Spectre is Bond waving at a goon at the funeral. And the exchanges with M and C at the start, which should have been a chance for humour, instead come across as charmless and bluntly antagonistic.
Are the screenwriters no longer capable of investing Bond with a sense of wit?
Desk
Maybe Craig's Bond doesn't giggle at arse jokes, but any character who gets past armed guards by telling them he is Mickey Mouse is not taking the world all that seriously.
On a more subtle level a few times Bond teases Madeline - at the clinic, on the train. He has a SOH every bit as developed as his predecessors.
Did you watch it pissed?
Amazing moment.
Perhaps I can help you to understand and smooth your ruffled feathers?. I don't find arse jokes particularly funny, but it is endearing that Bond is capable of laughing at himself.
When Bond identifies himself as 'Mickey Mouse'? I don't think you could stretch to the idea that he's exactly laughing at himself, given the menacing manner in which he delivers the line.
Similarly, the barked order at the guard to 'stay', while mildly amusing, was not exactly delivered in a playful tone.
And I'm sorry, but I can't remember any particularly amusing remarks during the forgettable exchanges between Bond and Swann on the train. It pales dreadfully in comparison with the scene between Bond and Vesper in Casino Royale, which actually does contain a good bottom joke when she curtly refers to his perfectly formed arse, and he replies with a smile, "You noticed?"
Maybe Craig's Bond is reflective of the actor himself, who isn't exactly known for having the most relaxed, self-effacing, humourous personality - in stark contrast to the likes of Roger Moore.
All this is not to suggest that I'm longing for a return to the Rog era filled with groan-worthy double entendres, but a little more humour, in the right context, doesn't go amiss.
Desk
My favourite bit!
Desk
Surley you don't give a playful order,you have to be commanding !
and luckily Bond is a Commander. :D
Is this John Cleese?
SPECTRE was too funny. Like Q telling Bond the new Aston Martin was for 009 and Bonds like "what?!". The way he falls on to the couch in Mexico.
Bond asking the mouse "Who are you working for?"
Physical comedy the old man in the car in front being pushed in Rome.
"Pour that down the sink, cut out the middle man"
Sure, he doesn't make it easy to know him for that, but in real life, he is actually "one of the funniest people on earth,like tears doiwn your cheek funny" O-tone Hugh Jackmann after working with him for months on A Steady Rain. And all, who know him, worked with him will say the same.
But its surely his doing, that he is certainly not known among he odd moviegoer for being funny.
But the point is, he is not against being funny. He often has said, you have to earn the gags instead of just putting them in. They have to come natural.
He did giggle in the CR train scene. "You've noticed."
If only.
And when Bond asked Monsieur Mendel if he brought any Chocolates from Switzerland, Bond and Vesper laugh at his awkward response.
No, you didn't touch a nerve, or ruffle my feathers. Too old and been around here too many years to get upset by someone's opinion.
I was just replying with my own observations. I just think that because Dalton's Bond laughs during his exchange with Kara (and again when they share a private joke at the opera), doesn't mean Craig's Bond lacks humour. Dalton's Bond has a sense of humour alrigth (although that's a different thing to his ability to deliver a good quip), but Craig's Bond does too. His Mickey Mouse comment didn't need to be followed by a raucous giggle just to prove he understood his own joke.
The 'stay' joke, had it been delivered by Brosnan may possibly have been followed by a knowing twinkle in the eye and a slight double take to ram the joke home, but Craig's Bond remains deadpan. It adds to the impact of the comment.
I agree there's nothing in the film to match his 'you noticed' in CR, but the knowing smirk he offers with the line is also there when he chats to Madeline about his 'occupation' in SP, and again when he realises she knows how to handle a gun.