SPECTRE - Press reviews and personal reviews (BEWARE! Spoiler reviews allowed)

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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    patb wrote: »
    If you have to watch a movie twice to enjoy it. then its failed, its meant to work the first time

    This isn't always true.

    For the fans on this site, it certainly isn't with SP. We have all been discussing and dissecting and analyzing everything about the film since it was announced 11 months ago. We have pored over photos from the set, run through the videologs, focused on every little aspect of the trailers and TV spots. This has been, for most of us, an 11 month obsession.

    The first viewing of the film wasn't enough for me. I wasn't able to relax...I was too busy trying to predict what would happen next, based on everything I'd seen and read. This has been a VERY different experience compared to other Bond films, especially in the Craig era, where I went into it blind.

    I will need to see SP at least three times to form a solid opinion of it.


  • I took the day off yesterday and went to the first showing with my dad. I'm happy I don't have to avoid this forum or spoilers anymore. XD
    Anyway, I'm kind of iffy on the film. I liked it but wasn't blown away like I was by SF. I'll need to watch it again.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited November 2015 Posts: 40,976
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Here I am at the theatre. Differences:I got up showered and rode my bike nine miles to the theatre for an early show, rather than going after a busy work day. I'm seeing it in IMAX.of course I'm behind the theatre getting stoned again right now, but there has to be some consistency when watching any Bond film. I hope this environment lets me enjoy the film T least somewhat more.

    The mental image of you getting toasted behind the theater is rich. Consistency is key!

    I hope it's better to any degree for you the second time around.
  • Posts: 533
    This is really Craig's THUNDERBALL in every form, with it's lavish and expensive production, prolonged run time, and the third act running out of momentum. I was entertained, but I'm not rushing out praising it like SKYFALL.


    It's odd. "THUNDERBALL" is my second favorite Connery movie, after "FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE". And since I despise "SKYFALL", I am curious to see how "SPECTRE" turned out.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    TripAces wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    If you have to watch a movie twice to enjoy it. then its failed, its meant to work the first time

    This isn't always true.

    For the fans on this site, it certainly isn't with SP. We have all been discussing and dissecting and analyzing everything about the film since it was announced 11 months ago. We have pored over photos from the set, run through the videologs, focused on every little aspect of the trailers and TV spots. This has been, for most of us, an 11 month obsession.

    The first viewing of the film wasn't enough for me. I wasn't able to relax...I was too busy trying to predict what would happen next, based on everything I'd seen and read. This has been a VERY different experience compared to other Bond films, especially in the Craig era, where I went into it blind.

    I will need to see SP at least three times to form a solid opinion of it.


    Very true. I get where @patb is coming from in that the first viewing can have quite an impact if it provokes extreme emotion, love/hate, but like you I think it's impossible to outright claim 'failure' immediately. In fact I find that quite tragic. This is my hobby, if I were to not like a Bond film I'd try to find the positives in it, I'd want to like it. Thankfully I've never hated a Bond film.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DRush76 wrote: »
    This is really Craig's THUNDERBALL in every form, with it's lavish and expensive production, prolonged run time, and the third act running out of momentum. I was entertained, but I'm not rushing out praising it like SKYFALL.


    It's odd. "THUNDERBALL" is my second favorite Connery movie, after "FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE". And since I despise "SKYFALL", I am curious to see how "SPECTRE" turned out.

    You've yet to see it? Those of us who also despised SF loved SP, so you may be in luck.
  • Tubes wrote: »
    This is really Craig's THUNDERBALL in every form, with it's lavish and expensive production, prolonged run time, and the third act running out of momentum. I was entertained, but I'm not rushing out praising it like SKYFALL. Up until the arrival at the Spectre base, the film was terrific. Afterwards, the film kind of fell flat and it's twists were underdeveloped. Clearly feels like a two part story being set up towards the end.

    I loved the "SPECTRE" base scenes. It felt very Dr No-esque. How Madeleine and Bond were picked up by that Rolls, got their own independent rooms, then Blofeld getting horny on a comet stone, Blofeld showing the suicide of Mr White, and that fantastic torture scene....God, I was sweaty afterwards.
  • TubesTubes The Hebrew Hammer
    Posts: 158
    Tubes wrote: »
    This is really Craig's THUNDERBALL in every form, with it's lavish and expensive production, prolonged run time, and the third act running out of momentum. I was entertained, but I'm not rushing out praising it like SKYFALL. Up until the arrival at the Spectre base, the film was terrific. Afterwards, the film kind of fell flat and it's twists were underdeveloped. Clearly feels like a two part story being set up towards the end.

    I loved the "SPECTRE" base scenes. It felt very Dr No-esque. How Madeleine and Bond were picked up by that Rolls, got their own independent rooms, then Blofeld getting horny on a comet stone, Blofeld showing the suicide of Mr White, and that fantastic torture scene....God, I was sweaty afterwards.

    I suppose to be more accurate is that the end felt incomplete. I remember mentally being upset that the film was ending so soon, as the Spectre Base felt like a climax. Then the film kept going with the London sequences and I was relieved. Then that felt like the end of the second act of a larger movie and ending the movie there fell flat for me.
  • Posts: 183
    http://jalopnik.com/spectre-the-classic-bond-movie-i-was-definitely-not-ex-1741078954

    Really good review this, and refreshingly positive (in-fact it’s practically gushing with praise and enthusiasm for Spectre!).

    He makes what I think are a couple of really good points:

    “There is one moment where Bond is in dire danger of being thrown from a train - this is after the best fistfight I’ve ever seen in the Bond franchise with actor Dave Bautista - and Madeleine Swann comes in to save the day. It’s not so much a convenience as it is a character-building moment for Swann, as up to that point her skills as the daughter of assassin Mr. White were only hinted at. With this scene, we see a little bit of Bond in her, and it makes their budding relationship only stronger and their connection easier to understand”

    “I think the issue most of the reviews I read are facing is that they’ve seen the previous three Craig films, they see that Sam Mendes is directing this, they see the marketing of the film selling it as some sort of character drama, and then the movie delivers something that takes it’s time (no pacing issues, as far as I’m concerned), has a laugh, and doesn’t complicate the plot. It has the looks of an Oscar winner with the material of the best-of-the-best James Bond stories”.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I haven't touched upon the pacing yet, either, but for it being the longest Bond film at two and a half hours, not once did I feel like it dragged. I can agree in that the Morocco base sequence felt like it would've been a proper finale, just for us to cut right to the London scenes and extend the movie a little while, but even at this point, I wasn't checking the time. I do agree in that I feel like the film wraps up a little quickly and abruptly, but all it did was leave me wanting more.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    SF feels like it's a longer movie than SP, that's for sure.

    Anyway, I agree that Swann saving Bond from being jettisoned from the train was a good moment in that it didn't rob Bond of the victory of eventually besting Hinx, unlike catwoman killing Bane (tsk tsk) but this woman who was the daughter of a ruthless killer, who didn't want to even touch a gun expertly lands a shot on Hinx without the guilt and mental tax of taking a life herself.
  • Hey all,
    I think SPECTRE could be one of the best Bond films of all time... BUT, it missed the mark on 4 scenes which, for me, completely ruined the film. I'm interested to see what other serious fans think about these same 4 scenes. Not trying to troll, I LOVE BOND, what's up with these scenes? Anyone picking up on a purpose for them that I'm missing?

    1. The "drilling into Bond's head" scene.. Seriously, what did this accomplish? You take us to this beautiful and mostly "classic" villain lair and then waste it on some matrix style medical torture? UGH who wrote this?

    2. The destruction of MI6 with the girl tied up with det cord? You are kidding me right! The classic pick yourself or the princess nonsense. I thought you were better than this scene! WHY did you even take us back to MI6 in the first place? It served no purpose. Blofeld made his apparent escape already and set it up for the perfect next film!!!

    3. The return of Blofeld in his helicopter directly tied to scene I mentioned above... While I love that Bond switched from the Sig to the Walther to shoot down the bird (homage to Dr. No perhaps when only the PPK is good enough for the job) WHY in ALL THAT IS HOLY do you have Blofeld back, crash his helicopter, and then Bond have this horrible interaction with him. We could go on a lot here, Like why make them freaking "brothers"... but seriously, this scene... NO

    4. The end of film... In the past, Bond and the girl make love as the sun goes down, in a space shuttle, in a row boat, etc... But they end with the hint that Bond will return, they even tell you, "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN" most of the time. Now, Craig takes the girl (who must be another Vesper Lynd traitor character) runs off with the DB5 and says to Q that he's left. For now, or for good? will Bond be back?

    Finally, remember how all the old films were mostly independent.... In my opinion, please go back to this. You aren't producing twilight or the hunger games with some interconnecting plot bullshit 4 years apart. This is BOND! Let Blofeld sneak off after destroying his compound ( which could have taken up about 15 more minutes of action and destruction), then take the plot entirely to taking down C since you decided to play that crazy card, and restore the glory that is MI6, Q, and the future. In the next film, now Blofeld has another crazy story to tell about taking over the world and the franchise can resume it's greatness!!!!!! WHY... WHY did you not do it this way?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It's really not fair to say that your #4 complaint ruins SP heavily. Is "Will Bond be back?" REALLY a question? Of course he will be! It even says he'll return in the credits, if you really needed to be told that. And to be fair, Bond hasn't laid down with a woman immediately before the film ends since DAD.
  • Creasy47 wrote: »
    It's really not fair to say that your #4 complaint ruins SP heavily. Is "Will Bond be back?" REALLY a question? Of course he will be! It even says he'll return in the credits, if you really needed to be told that. And to be fair, Bond hasn't laid down with a woman immediately before the film ends since DAD.

    Sure... It's not really a complaint, sorry if it reads that way.. as I stated, I was posing a question. I have no idea how I could have missed the credits that say he will return... I've seen it 4 times and was looking for that. Of course he'll be back... but why this ending....


  • I loved the "SPECTRE" base scenes. It felt very Dr No-esque. How Madeleine and Bond were picked up by that Rolls, got their own independent rooms, then Blofeld getting horny on a comet stone, Blofeld showing the suicide of Mr White, and that fantastic torture scene....God, I was sweaty afterwards.

    100% agree with that. I wish they'd spent more time there and had that be the ending to the film rather the London bit.
  • I'm still wondering at the odd decision to have Bond seemingly leave the service whilst at the same time blatantly setting up a sequel. It seems almost antithetical.
  • I'm still wondering at the odd decision to have Bond seemingly leave the service whilst at the same time blatantly setting up a sequel. It seems almost antithetical.

    Agree

  • quantumofsolacequantumofsolace England
    Posts: 279
    Yesterday I watched a certain film (you can probably guess which one) for a fifth and sixth time. For a bit of variety I saw it at a cinema I've never visited before: the Showcase Cinema De Lux in Leicester. (As I was seeing The Primitives in concert in Leicester last night I decided to make a day of it.) As with three of my other viewings (at the Showcase CDL in Derby) I watched it in the X-Plus theatre which gives the largest screen size. It also boasts Dolby Atmos which is supposed to make the sound surround you more than ever. Personally I'd say it just makes things very, very LOUD! Especially Newman's re-heated SF action "music".
    I'm still seeing new things. For example, it wasn't until the fifth viewing that I noticed Michael G's blink and you'll miss it cameo. Of course, with each screening I'm picking up on more credulity-straining moments. The latest one (and somebody else may well have already mentioned this) is when Moneypenny is in her flat reading the old newspaper article about the death of Oberhauser and his father on her laptop. She highlights the article, hits "translate" and it changes from Swiss (or German?) into English. Well, given that it's a scanned page surely the computer wouldn't be able to do that. Wouldn't it see the whole page as a single picture? And it certainly wouldn't be able to change the actual text itself. Also it's unlikely that the article could translate from one language into another and still fit into exactly the same space. Maybe technology has moved on further than I knew. Still, plot holes and such aside I'm still absolutely loving SP to bits.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2015 Posts: 6,304
    1) The Rome meeting. I love SPECTRE and their sinister, secret meetings. But did Blofeld really need some other bloke to speak for him? I liked the PA pushing the microphone towards him, but getting the African gentleman to ask for volunteers for the pale king assignment was a bit underwhelming tbh. I gather that this is to show how utterly terrified and in awe the SPECTRE members are of Blofeld, but it didn't really work for me. I would have liked Waltz to have spoken in the same deadpan, bored way as he began ('Don't let me interrupt'). Once Dr. Vogel had finished her report, I feel Blofeld should have been the one asking for volunteers. Also, what did people think of the introduction of Hinx? Did the fact that he killed his competition simply because he could, rather than because that guy had failed SPECTRE, make the scene more or less enjoyable.

    I really was hoping for a proper SPECTRE execution scene for the first time in decades, so I'd say I was disappointed, although the physicality of his performance throughout the film was awesome.

    I also read somewhere that the German woman (who did seem to go on quite a bit, and therefore maybe she is significant long-term?) is possibly the proto-Irma Bunt? I know a lesbian Irma was originally scripted for the Moroccan sequences.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    edited November 2015 Posts: 2,539
  • I'm still wondering at the odd decision to have Bond seemingly leave the service whilst at the same time blatantly setting up a sequel. It seems almost antithetical.

    The film as a whole felt kind of weird to me in terms of its tone, but the ending did especially. Up until the last 3 minutes of the film I would've said it was Craig's last one. But then he goes and quits MI6 again and drives off with Swann in the DB5. Makes me think Craig is 100% back for one more.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 20
    bondboy007 wrote: »
    I'm still wondering at the odd decision to have Bond seemingly leave the service whilst at the same time blatantly setting up a sequel. It seems almost antithetical.

    The film as a whole felt kind of weird to me in terms of its tone, but the ending did especially. Up until the last 3 minutes of the film I would've said it was Craig's last one. But then he goes and quits MI6 again and drives off with Swann in the DB5. Makes me think Craig is 100% back for one more.


    Can you say more about why you have this feeling? Just curious. I didn't really pick up on the whole him returning bit. Although I'm sure he will... The ending left me desiring more.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2015 Posts: 6,304
    cmacy007 wrote: »
    4. The end of film... In the past, Bond and the girl make love as the sun goes down, in a space shuttle, in a row boat, etc... But they end with the hint that Bond will return, they even tell you, "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN" most of the time. Now, Craig takes the girl (who must be another Vesper Lynd traitor character) runs off with the DB5 and says to Q that he's left. For now, or for good? will Bond be back?

    Good god, I hope not. I originally thought she would be a member of Spectre in the end, but now having seen the film ("I love you"), I hope she is a Tracy (or a Tiffany).

    Bond could easily be brought back into the service by a "Blofeld escapes" twist. And Madeleine, if she reappears, could be dispatched by Blofeld. And then...Magic 44, anyone? We could be getting a faithful YOLT adaptation at last.

    At least Fiennes had the good sense not to let the filmmakers make him bad. I suppose that's why they created C.
  • Posts: 1,817
    It's been I while since I log to MI6 Community but I want to establish my opinion on SPECTRE.

    In few words: I love it. It's a great Bond movie. Right now it's place on the 4th or 5th place on my ranking (only FRWL, OHMSS and CR are confortably above). But it might climb with more view.

    Story: good, interesting, classic structure but I doesn't feel repetitive. I like the subtle nodes to previous movies and Fleming themes.
    Acting: Craig was superb, Fiennes, Harris and Whishaw also excelent. I like both women, Bellucci and Seydoux. Bautista portrayed one of the best henchmen ever. Regarding Waltz... that wasn't easy with too many great villains before (including 4 Blofelds). I think he didn't surpass himself and maybe was a litte too repetitive.
    Music: it wasn't great, just a couple of good themes. I like the re-use of material from SF, it gives it unity. The theme song - which I don't like too much - didn't sound that bad.
    Title sequence: one of my favorite ever.

    The end... well it is open for continuity or for reboot. But...
    Bond 25 could begin with Blofeld killing Madeleine, that's my guess.

    The only thing I didn't like was the family thing between Blofeld and Bond. It was unneeded for. But it could have been worst (e.g. Blofeld killing Bond's parents).

    I'm looking forward to see it again and again. Top Bond in my opinion!

    Greetings to all!
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 3,276
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    pachazo wrote: »
    The scar. Why did they have to copy the scar? I was at the point when I could forgive them for this Bond/Blofled stepbrother contrivance but then the scar happened.

    They used a trope from the cinematic Blofeld. That is all. I was not too keen on bringing back the scar, that said I loved the execution and the look (far nastier and menacing than Pleasence's which was at the time just something to make Pleasence look menacing).

    That scar is part of cinematic Bond.
    Can someone explain to me why they went CGI with the scar? Was the make-up artist on leave? Last week, during Halloween, I saw several kids with scars that looked better and more authentic.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Zekidk, perhaps it was to give the scar a level of detail that make-up couldn't achieve or something. Who knows. Mendes has a hard-on for unnecessary CGI and CG animals, though, it seems.
  • Loving the thoughts about how the next film could start... I guess it makes me feel better about how this one ended.
  • Posts: 3,276
    It just looked (too) fake. Notice the lightning on the scar when Blofeld sits in the helicopter. It distracted me, much like Daniel's face on the bike during the chase on top of the bazaar in SF.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    It just looked (too) fake. Notice the lightning on the scar when Blofeld sits in the helicopter. It distracted me, much like Daniel's face on the bike during the chase on top of the bazaar in SF.

    I'll focus on the scar upon my next viewing, didn't have any standout complaints about it the first time around. Agreed about Bond's face during the SF PTS bike chase.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 2,015
    Enough of the anti-US xenophobia, let's give fuel for some anti-French xenophobia. Yeps, that's a 1 star review in one the major magazine.

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    (first French reviews - this summary also include some US ones)
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