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Skyfall would have been a better movie if Pierce was the lead in lieu of Daniel

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    We already saw what Brosnan would do with an SF style plot/script.

    The tragic result was TWINE.

    No thank you. SP maybe (but even here, the torture scene would have collapsed entirely imho) but not SF. Brosnan is better with GE/TND/DAD style plots. I've had enough pain face to last me a lifetime.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @BondJasonBond006, I said limited range compared to Craig. I stand by that assessment.

    Yes. Brosnan is just a classic leading man with limited range. Craig is first rate actor who can also be a leading man too. I'm not slating Brosnan, he just has more limited ability.

    On that I agree, I never said Brosnan was a top actor. But imho neither is Craig.
    Sean Connery was the only top actor of the 6 Bond actors imho (Oscar worthy that is)

    But Craig is a top actor and the highest paid British actor in the UK.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    My mum would certainly think so. She saw Skyfall again last week and described Craig as quote "laughable". She's never thought of Craig as the top actor he's being painted out to be.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    DennisThatcher wrote:
    This is not me having a go at Daniel's acting ability at all or the film itself, both are great. I just think that Skyfall's narrative revolves around the idea of Bond being a bit older and more experienced. The last time we saw Craig on screen he had only just finished his becoming cinematic Bond arc. The jump Skyfall implicitly makes doesn't work for me and I can't buy it. I feel like there's been a significant gap between the end of Quantum and the start of Skyfall, a gap I can't just brush over (for me such harms the characterisation they put all that effort into). The film also requires me to be really invested in the Judi Dench M relationship. They have only had two films together so far, and in those films I felt that what they achieved was the establishment of some great groundwork for that relationship, ready to be pushed even further in later installments. It really felt like it was too early to tear what they had built up down. Why Pierce would have been better is that he always portrayed Bond as a weathered character who is tortured, and out of his time somewhat (Skyfall tries to do this but it doesn't gel with how Craig acted in the last two). Plus his relationship with Judi Dench's M was even more developed, and the two had much better chemistry in my opinion. Craig crying at the end for her felt un-earned and completely out of character for this Bond. To me this film felt like Pervis and Wade were writing for the Brosnan character again.

    What do you lot think?

    Really good point. Totally agree. Sadly Brosnan never got a director who understood his strengths. Would have loved to see Tarrantinos Casino Royale with Brosna
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Dench's M was far more of a maternal figure, or a mentor, from the first film, towards Craig's Bond. With Brosnan's Bond the relationship was much more professional.

    True, transforming M practically into Bond Mother in Skyfall was the most pathetic thing ever in the franchise.
    At least in CR she treated him like she treated Bond in GE.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    Haha can you imagine all the Painface moments we'd be getting if Broz was in Skyfall?

    -Fighting Patrice on the train
    -Working out at MI6
    -Cutting the shrapnel out of his chest
    -Holding Patrice over the tower ledge
    -Grappling the goon in the komodo lair
    -Running through the London streets
    -Bonus underwater painface at Skyfall lake
    -Super maximum painface as M dies

    That sums it up perfectly.

    Instead of all the drab pain Brosnan would have brought in some witty and cool fun, something that would save Skyfall from its utter boredome and mediocecy.

    Was Brosnan ever truly witty?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    Haha can you imagine all the Painface moments we'd be getting if Broz was in Skyfall?

    -Fighting Patrice on the train
    -Working out at MI6
    -Cutting the shrapnel out of his chest
    -Holding Patrice over the tower ledge
    -Grappling the goon in the komodo lair
    -Running through the London streets
    -Bonus underwater painface at Skyfall lake
    -Super maximum painface as M dies

    That sums it up perfectly.

    Instead of all the drab pain Brosnan would have brought in some witty and cool fun, something that would save Skyfall from its utter boredome and mediocecy.

    Was Brosnan ever truly witty?

    That depends on your definition of safe sex.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    They'll print anything these days. ;)
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2015 Posts: 11,189
    "Backseat driver" and "she always did enjoy a good squeeze" often make me smile.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Finger hovering over the lock button..... ;)
  • DennisThatcherDennisThatcher
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    I've only just saw spectre but a part of me thinks that if a version of that film had come before Skyfall instead of after it my problem wold have been solved.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,537
    We wait 4 years for Skyfall. Dench whas ill, something with her eye and of course her age. Dench M future whas re-written,there whant do much more with chacter for one or two more movies then Bond 23. Bond 23 & Bond 24 be delayd and not released in 2010 and 2012. There trow over board her husband story (In Skyfall she confirmd her husband dies.), he whas introduced in CR and in QOS. Only thing there keep are Bond re-visiting her house like promised in Casino Royale. But that's she going to die, we already know from QOS.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    Pierce's problem is a good one, in that he is too much of a gentleman to play Bond consistently without a director to guide him away from his class, if you will.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Who came up with this bollocks? I hope this is humour and not someone seriously entertaining such a notion. No other Bond would have been better in Skyfall than Craig, it's undeniably his.
  • Matt007Matt007
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    The line "she always did enjoy a good squeeze". I've never got it. It's not a saying. Or any wit. She just dies of being squeezed and that's what she did. It's like shooting scaramanga and saying "he always did enjoy a good shoot"

    "She was always looking for a new squeeze" although poor is at least a pun because of the double meaning.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    It's because she kills people by squeezing them to death. She killed the Admiral that way and tried doing the same to Bond twice.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He always did enjoy a good pun. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I've been having a busy and stressful day at work. Came here to see this thread at the top of the pile. Ha ha. I needed a laugh. Thanks guys. What a ridiculous notion to even contemplate.
  • Matt007Matt007
    edited February 2016 Posts: 1,314
    @birdleson @murdock

    For example:

    "I think he got the point"
    "Theyll print anything these days"
    "She's had her kicks"
    "Positively shocking"
    "He had lots of guts" etc etc

    All have meanings in the real world in completely removed context. That's why the joke works. That's why it's a joke in the first place. It's taking a well known saying and applying it to a new situation

    Who ever says "she enjoys a good squeeze"? Obviously I get the context within goldeneye because I'm not an idiot. But I don't find it funny for the same reasons.

    She also likes driving her Ferrari quickly. She could have been killed in a car crash and bond said "she always did enjoy a good race" and it's the same thing.

    Surprised that this even needs explaining.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I say it quite a lot actually. =))
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    I disagree. Pierce ended up with TWINE when he tried doing SF. Craig is certainly more fit for the darker, grittier, more down-to-earth tone of SF. Pierce is better in things like GE (versus SP, for instance).
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    The GE squeeze pun was fun, and I got it, and got a big laugh when I saw it in the theater.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Actually, a lot of Skyfall's scenes I could see PB in: the shot of Bond running to get to the court, the tunnel, the pre-title sequence, Bond laying low in Turkey, the casino. Had CR not been done a re-boot, Skyfall could have been Pierce's 7th and final Bond film.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited February 2016 Posts: 1,984
    Brosnan would've been 59 then - even older than Moore was in AVTAK (which was a major complaint for the film). And in this era, that'd be even more frowned upon.

    Had Brosnan continued in the role, Bond wouldn't have fared nearly as well financially (or critically, possibly). The reboot was more or less necessary, and if Brosnan had stayed in the role I doubt we would've gotten a Skyfall.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Well to be fair, Pierce aged much better than Roger did.

    He looks just like he did in DAD in The November Man 12 years later.
    http://buvaukine.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/6-934x580.jpg?2541c3
  • Scaramanga12Scaramanga12
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    Twine is better than SF.

    Both have sub par action but Twine has a more interesting plot with the bond girl turning out to be the villain. Ok it could have been done better but overall I find Twine a better film.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    Scaramanga12 wrote: »
    Twine is better than SF.

    Both have sub par action but Twine has a more interesting plot with the bond girl turning out to be the villain. Ok it could have been done better but overall I find Twine a better film.

    Agreed.TWINE really is underrated.Its seems TND is criticised for being too formulaic and then when TWINE experimented with the formula and took it in new directions it got criticised for that reason.


  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited December 2016 Posts: 1,756
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    Haha can you imagine all the Painface moments we'd be getting if Broz was in Skyfall?

    -Fighting Patrice on the train
    -Working out at MI6
    -Cutting the shrapnel out of his chest
    -Holding Patrice over the tower ledge
    -Grappling the goon in the komodo lair
    -Running through the London streets
    -Bonus underwater painface at Skyfall lake
    -Super maximum painface as M dies



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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    DennisThatcher wrote: »
    so none of you have any arguments what so ever?

    Craig's physical features work well.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    No. Brosnan is the weakest Bond actor of the series so far.
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