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Ouch! Whilst I agree SP is twice the Bond movie that Skyfall is I'm not sure I'd put it quite so harshly...
What I find curious is that a lot of the criticism by ‘pro SF fans’ aimed at SP seems to be about the liberties it takes with the 007-canon and not having a satisfying enough ending – two issues which are at least, if not more so, present in Skyfall… the DB5 nonsense is far more jarring than any of the 'twists' SP offers up & the Straw Dogs shootout at the mansion was not something I need in a Bondfilm.
At least SP has the stunts & entertainment value to make up for it. I had no wish or inclination to go and see SF a second time after stepping out of the cinema 3 years ago, whereas I’m looking forward to seeing SP a 2nd time before the end of the year (I like to leave a few weeks between the two viewings to enhance it)
You seem to be a rare breed ;)
Haven't met many people (neither here on the board, nor in my circle of friends/colleagues) who liked both SF and SP.
For the record - I don't think SF is awful, it has it's redeeming qualities, but it's not what I'd call a great night in. Re-watched it two weeks ago and I just found it fell rather flat - the PTS can't hold a candle to that of SP and it seems we only get a proper 007 in the Macau scene (which is great btw), other than that it's a movie about Silva's revenge on M that happens to involve Bond stressing about in Westminster...
There is SO MUCH in the Bond canon to pick and choose and enjoy. In investigating my own preferences, I've found that I enjoy the understated, moody, slower-moving Bond films. Three of my top four are just like that: TB, SF, and GF. Each is controlled, calculating, with the big action sequences reserved for the end. They are slow to unravel. I like that. I enjoy watching Bond as a character more than an action figure.
Other fans, it seems, are the opposite: enjoying more action and thrilling sequences. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!
SP had a little for everyone. I enjoyed it. But unlike the three faves listed above, SP didn't build to a satisfying climax (yes, the sexual innuendo there is sorta intentional!) I wonder if Mendes put the helicopter fight (with the barrel roll) in the wrong place. It should have been reserved for the end, in a fight to the death with Hinx, with Blofeld on board, and everything at stake. As is, Bond merely shoots his way through things, without much hassle, in leaving the lair and nabbing Blofeld. Talk about underwhelming.
I have not been privy to the script leaks, so don't know if there was another set piece planned for Morocco. I almost think there should have been because it ended awfully fast and rather stupidly imho.
Regarding the London ending and shooting down the copter, I think that might have been tacked on at the end as well.
It's difficult to tell without having info on the script revisions. Budget concerns may have reduced some large set pieces.
2. SP
3 out of 49 rankings include CR QOS and SF. (in the Top 10)
Better but only a little B-)
It's about 50/50.
Are you saying 36 out of 42 do have CR/QoS/SF/SP in the top 11? That's many as far as I'm concerned (86%)
I'm sorry I misunderstood Birdleson's post.
3 out of 49 rankings include CR QOS and SF. (in the Top 10)
If we look at the Top 11 (like Birdleson) then it's 4 out of 49.
Silva's island scenes were weak, along with his interrogation, and the underground chase. There was a lot about Skyfall I liked though. The new MI6, Q's introduction, Moneypenny, the shootout at Skyfall, the final scene...but despite those things Spectre was a consistently more enjoyable film even though it ran a little bit long.
Better opening, better villain, the fact that it literally had everything a fan would want in a Bond film and more puts Spectre ahead of Skyfall for me...
The opening scene of CR is also suitably frenetic, the pace only really calms down once we enter the long middle section of the film, ie the card game. It makes perfect sense for QoS to be zippier because Bond's tearing around the outside world and very angry. They actually work really well when watched back to back.
I'll fly the flag for Quantum any time as there's so much to like - PTS best car chase in many moons, Olga K, the Opera scene, Felix (sorely missing from the last two), the fact that he's actively going against the US government, the exploding hotel etc etc.
If the reveal of Blofeld (which intentionally modeled itself after the Bond of the 60s) crushed your soul as you claim, you need to rethink your life.
It's only a movie, and an incredibly well shot one at that. I love the fact that everything I loved from classic Bond showed up in it. It did run a little bit long, but it was still thoroughly enjoyable. And from the looks of it, more people on here are with me in thinking it was better than Skyfall...
2. SP
I just think SF is a better film, SF doesn't falter in it's final stretch, from the moment Silva escapes (I don't care about the plot holes) it doesn't let up and the Scotland climax blows away most of SF's set pieces bar the PTS.
As someone said SF is a far more taut film and I missed that emotional edge that if had, still my favourite Craig film very closely followed by CR.
I like SP quite a bit, it would still be top 10 but I just like SF much more.
BJB006 your slagging off of Skyfall in every SPECTRE thread is getting tiresome, comparing it to DAF is just ridiculous.
Lousy script and Direction, with godawful one liners, poor acting (at least Brossa felt in good company this time), terrible effects, unexciting action, and lets not forget Madonnas dire theme (though God knows, I've tried!). But hey, that's just MY opinion!
2. SP
Not sure if I put GF in the 'moody, slower' category!
GF is an all guns blasting full on classic. TB and SF are both overrated, slightly tedious entries, although TB is still a lot better than SF.