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SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

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  • mepal1mepal1
    Posts: 1,098
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    Trivia - after one month of release, Spectre has surpassed the final total of every Brosnan Bond film (and Dalton and Lazenby, just to be fair!), as well as CR.

    Again, after just one month, it sits at no.7 on the worldwide Bond chart, adjusted for inflation :

    http://www.007james.com/articles/box_office.php

    I think it'll end up at 4th, but nudging past Goldfinger is not out of the question.

    Yes............and by the end of next weekend SP could have a worldwide gross close to the adjusted total of YOLT.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    So "SPECTRE" has been in cinema's across the globe for 27 days now. Let's make some comparisons between "SKYFALL" and "SPECTRE"



    "SPECTRE":
    --> 26.10.2015, Monday: UK premiere (countrywide)
    --> 06.11.2015, Friday: USA premiere
    --> 22.11.2015, Sunday: 27 days in cinema's across the globe, 16 days in cinema's across the USA/Canada
    http://deadline.com/2015/11/hunger-games-mockingjay-part-2-spectre-international-box-office-results-1201634041/

    Box office results "SPECTRE" on 22.11.2015:
    --> $153.7 Million: Domestic Box Office (USA/Canada)
    --> $527.7 Million: Foreign Box Office
    --> $681.4 Million: Global Box Office (after 27 days in release, 16 days in the USA/Canada....11 days after UK release)



    "SKYFALL":
    --> 26.10.2012, Friday: UK premiere (countrywide)
    --> 09.11.2012, Friday: USA premiere
    --> 25.11.2012, Sunday: 30 days in cinema's across the globe, 16 days in cinema's across the USA/Canada
    http://www.businessinsider.com/skyfall-crosses-200-million-in-the-us-2012-11

    Box office results "SKYFALL" on 25.11.2012:
    --> $214.3 Million: Domestic Box Office (USA/Canada)
    --> $568.4 Million: Foreign Box Office
    --> $782.7 Million: Global Box Office (after 30 days in release, 16 days in the USA/Canada....14 days after UK release)



    Let's see where "SPECTRE" stands on Wednesday, exactly 30 days after the roll-out of "SPECTRE" started across the globe. With that timeframe in mind, "SPECTRE" paces only +/- $90 Million behind "Skyfall". Battles with "Hunger Games 4" and "The Peanuts" are now behind us. Mind you, next week: Thanksgiving ;-)! And above figures from "SKYFALL" already had the Thanksgiving figures included.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    Posts: 1,092
    So 90 behind after 30 days... not too shabby, folks. 950 would put it 158 million behind for the whole run compared to SF's 1180 million. I think that's about right, maybe even 970 or so. That's insanely good.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    So 90 behind after 30 days... not too shabby, folks. 950 would put it 158 million behind for the whole run compared to SF's 1108 million. I think that's about right, maybe even 970 or so. That's insanely good.

    small correction ;-).

    Still, let's say the entire foreign box office will be $770 Million. And the box office in the USA/Canada will add up to a more lacklustre $230 Million. Then the film could still hit $1 Billion.
  • mepal1mepal1
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,098
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    So 90 behind after 30 days... not too shabby, folks. 950 would put it 158 million behind for the whole run compared to SF's 1108 million. I think that's about right, maybe even 970 or so. That's insanely good.

    small correction ;-).

    Still, let's say the entire foreign box office will be $770 Million. And the box office in the USA/Canada will add up to a more lacklustre $230 Million. Then the film could still hit $1 Billion.

    Well that would be great if that does happen...........BUT i really don't think SP will now reach $230 mil in the US. Next week will be the last decent week for SP to obtain strong grosses, but after Thanksgiving........the first 2 weeks in December are a dead zone for BO grosses...............then all those Star Wars kids will get in the way. Anyway, with all the small sums to be accumulated in the next few weeks, SP should reach $200 mil, or just crawl over that point.

    I've just been told that the actual figure for the BO for SP in the UK now stands at
    £84.5 mil, or somewhere around the $128-129 mil mark.

  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    I think 950m is still too much.

    I stand by my original prediction (which I made before the movie was released) that SPECTRE will make around 850m and it can be lucky if it gets to 900m.

    950m is too much IMHO.

  • mepal1mepal1
    Posts: 1,098
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I think 950m is still too much.

    I stand by my original prediction (which I made before the movie was released) that SPECTRE will make around 850m and it can be lucky if it gets to 900m.

    950m is too much IMHO.

    I concur......its just a case of simple deduction, if you reduce each weeks grosses by 50%, you get a rough idea where the films total is gonna end up.
    The only slight upwards blip will be when the film opens in Japan, though that won't make much of a difference.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    mepal1 wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I think 950m is still too much.

    I stand by my original prediction (which I made before the movie was released) that SPECTRE will make around 850m and it can be lucky if it gets to 900m.

    950m is too much IMHO.

    I concur......its just a case of simple deduction, if you reduce each weeks grosses by 50%, you get a rough idea where the films total is gonna end up.
    The only slight upwards blip will be when the film opens in Japan, though that won't make much of a difference.
    You're probably right. I haven't done any recent calcs but the 40 to 50% drop off each week after next (US Thanksgiving) makes sense.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,007
    That's true, and what with 'The Force Awakens' slowly approaching, it seems less and less likely that this film will manage to gross another $250 million plus.
  • smittysmitty
    Posts: 725
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I think 950m is still too much.

    I stand by my original prediction (which I made before the movie was released) that SPECTRE will make around 850m and it can be lucky if it gets to 900m.

    950m is too much IMHO.

    Think you're right. Anything over 850 will take very good legs and anything over 900-950 will take exceptional holds which it hasn't displayed yet. Thanksgiving in the US next week could surprise, but best to be realistic as it's just the US. One thing for sure, the overseas BO has saved SP's bacon.

  • mepal1mepal1
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,098
    Its just as well us Brits went to see SP in droves then isn't it?
    As per usual we are the anchor, in the International territory. :)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    mepal1 wrote: »
    Well its just as well us Brits went to see SP in droves then isn't it?
    As per usual we are the anchor, in the International territory. :)
    As it should be I think. It shouldn't be any other way.
  • TubesTubes The Hebrew Hammer
    Posts: 158
    SPECTRE should end up somewhere between $190 and $220 million in the US, judging by the last two films that opened pre-Veterans Day and had Thanksgiving fall on it's 4th weekend. International will probably go past $600 million, but probably not $650 million unless we see some really strong European holds.

    Still, $800 million worldwide is a rare club to be in, even today. The only disappointment is how it did compared to the crazy performance of Skyfall and the current megablockbusters doing $1.5 billion plus.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,092
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    So 90 behind after 30 days... not too shabby, folks. 950 would put it 158 million behind for the whole run compared to SF's 1108 million. I think that's about right, maybe even 970 or so. That's insanely good.

    small correction ;-).

    Still, let's say the entire foreign box office will be $770 Million. And the box office in the USA/Canada will add up to a more lacklustre $230 Million. Then the film could still hit $1 Billion.

    Thank you. I thought that looked a bit wrong.

    1 billion is a stretch I think. The 900 mark is more likely but still awesome. SF made another 54 mil domestic from Dec to the end of its run. If SP makes a 35-40 it will go over 200. I don't know the international comparison but it's probably similar. Even with Star Wars, SP will still be in theaters and still be making cash as it goes along during that month and beyond. It will have legs, keep creeping, etc.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    So 90 behind after 30 days... not too shabby, folks. 950 would put it 158 million behind for the whole run compared to SF's 1108 million. I think that's about right, maybe even 970 or so. That's insanely good.

    small correction ;-).

    Still, let's say the entire foreign box office will be $770 Million. And the box office in the USA/Canada will add up to a more lacklustre $230 Million. Then the film could still hit $1 Billion.

    Thank you. I thought that looked a bit wrong.

    1 billion is a stretch I think. The 900 mark is more likely but still awesome.

    So: Let's say "Go go go go SPECTRE! You can do $950 Million!!!" :-P.
  • LordBrettSinclairLordBrettSinclair Greensleeves
    Posts: 167
    Skyfall had too many outside factors, especially the 50 years birthday and also Olympic Games etc.
    I remember critics in French newspapers praising Skyfall as the best thing since sliced bread :))

    I never believed Spectre has a chance to do as much as Skyfall. There was almost no special advertisment campaign here.
    Total ticket sales will maybe even be "only" in the range of DAD, CR and GE which are the 3 with the highest ticket sales in French region. More USDollars because of much higher ticket prices though, so money result will certainly be second best ever, after Skyfall.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited November 2015 Posts: 3,278
    SPECTRE just opened this Friday in India (1.2 billion people living there), so...
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    Posts: 498
    Dubble_uh_oh wrote: »
    Bond nerds fighting among themselves! Awesome! I want war!! I don't care what anyone thinks Moonraker is still the best 007 movie imo!!!

    This^
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    Posts: 1,092
    LordBrettSinclair wrote: »
    Skyfall had too many outside factors, especially the 50 years birthday and also Olympic Games etc.
    I remember critics in French newspapers praising Skyfall as the best thing since sliced bread :))

    I never believed Spectre has a chance to do as much as Skyfall. There was almost no special advertisment campaign here.
    Total ticket sales will maybe even be "only" in the range of DAD, CR and GE which are the 3 with the highest ticket sales in French region. More USDollars because of much higher ticket prices though, so money result will certainly be second best ever, after Skyfall.

    Yeah, it's true. Not only that but as I have said many times before, expectations can help or hurt a film's chances with not only the critics' reactions but also audiences' and their desire to go see a film. Because QoS was somewhat looked down on, people wanted a great Bond film and when SF delivered that boosted the overall perception of the film. Expectations were low for SF before it came out. Plus there was a bigger gap (4 years compared to 3 for SF-SP) between the films so the anticipation was really high.

    The opposite happened with SP. Expectations were super massive and since it wasn't as good as SF (and I loved SP, btw, but I will admit it has issues) things have dipped a bit overall. It's just the way it is sometimes.
  • tigers99tigers99
    Posts: 582
    It will end up doing an alright piece of business. If it does $800-950million worldwide it will be 4th/5th overall out of the Bonds when adjusted for inflation.

    2013 inflation figures we have 1. Skyfall - 1.21 billion
    2. Thunderball - 1.040 billion
    3. Goldfinger - 935.4 million
    4. Live and Let Die - 846 million
    5. You Only Live Twice - 775.74 million
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,437
    How is it doing in India?
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    tigers99 wrote: »
    It will end up doing an alright piece of business. If it does $800-950million worldwide it will be 4th/5th overall out of the Bonds when adjusted for inflation.

    2013 inflation figures we have 1. Skyfall - 1.21 billion
    2. Thunderball - 1.040 billion
    3. Goldfinger - 935.4 million
    4. Live and Let Die - 846 million
    5. You Only Live Twice - 775.74 million

    Dammit, so "SPECTRE" will be the 2nd Craig-Bond-film that surpasses both "YOLT" and "GF". Incredible!
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    If it hits 900 (which I'm 99% positive it will) then the last two Bond films have grossed 2 billion. Wow. So the last 4 will have grossed over 3 billion, over twice what the previous Bond actor did. I'm not knocking Brozza, he killed it at the BO. I'm just saying, wow, the standards are extremely high now. If Craig stays, does a 5th, they will hype up that it's his last and it should do 800-900 million at least and his run finishes over 4 billion across 5 films. That's nuts.

    It almost makes me worried that they will keep pushing the budget up to pull out all the stops to attempt to outdo the previous film. Then it means the new film has to do such and such total at the BO. I hope they tone it down a bit for the next one, make it for 200 or under. That way the pressure is not so much.

    EON has a history of upping the budgets and then reining them in again. It's cyclicar and part of the process of refreshing the series.

    Sometimes a stripped back budget makes the team work harder and you get a better movie. I'm not a fan of SF but it's budget took a knock after the relatively disappointing performance of QOS and the resulting movie was a smash hit.

    Look at the stripped back FYEO after the bloated beast that was MR. It's all part of keeping things fresh.

    I actually worry more about how they creatively and critically match the expectations deriving from the Craig era. It's going to be hard. I think in a way they might settle for a more steady as she goes period? Not sure. As you say, upping the ante every movie can become a process of diminishing returns.
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    Posts: 498
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    How is it doing in India?
    It's got terrible word of mouth in India, but for its releasing week almost all the theaters were house full

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Skyfail wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    How is it doing in India?
    It's got terrible word of mouth in India, but for its releasing week almost all the theaters were house full

    Why is your nickname "Skyfail" and not, let's say, "GoldfingerSucceeds"? :-)
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Which one sounds better?
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    Posts: 498
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Skyfail wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    How is it doing in India?
    It's got terrible word of mouth in India, but for its releasing week almost all the theaters were house full

    Why is your nickname "Skyfail" and not, let's say, "GoldfingerSucceeds"? :-)

    Gustav,
    I've been living in India, for the last two years ,
    I'm just saying what i'm seeing
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2015 Posts: 8,437
    Getafix wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    If it hits 900 (which I'm 99% positive it will) then the last two Bond films have grossed 2 billion. Wow. So the last 4 will have grossed over 3 billion, over twice what the previous Bond actor did. I'm not knocking Brozza, he killed it at the BO. I'm just saying, wow, the standards are extremely high now. If Craig stays, does a 5th, they will hype up that it's his last and it should do 800-900 million at least and his run finishes over 4 billion across 5 films. That's nuts.

    It almost makes me worried that they will keep pushing the budget up to pull out all the stops to attempt to outdo the previous film. Then it means the new film has to do such and such total at the BO. I hope they tone it down a bit for the next one, make it for 200 or under. That way the pressure is not so much.

    EON has a history of upping the budgets and then reining them in again. It's cyclicar and part of the process of refreshing the series.

    Sometimes a stripped back budget makes the team work harder and you get a better movie. I'm not a fan of SF but it's budget took a knock after the relatively disappointing performance of QOS and the resulting movie was a smash hit.

    Look at the stripped back FYEO after the bloated beast that was MR. It's all part of keeping things fresh.

    I actually worry more about how they creatively and critically match the expectations deriving from the Craig era. It's going to be hard. I think in a way they might settle for a more steady as she goes period? Not sure. As you say, upping the ante every movie can become a process of diminishing returns.

    I agree, after Craig they should hire an unknown and just bang a new Bond out every two years like the old days. Keep within a tighter budget and just focus on scoring generally positive reviews/decent box office. I think we should try and move away from the 'big revelation/character exploration' of the Craig era and return to a more mission based formula. I don't think anyone really expects a Bond film to last more than two hours, so cutting back the running time will automatically save millions of production costs and produce a story that is less likely to contain lots of plot holes.

    We all like it when the latest Bond does massive numbers, but we should remember that it is the profitability, not the gross that counts. A film can make 500 million at the box office, but if it takes 475 million to produce and market, then that's not impressive. But if a film cost 20 million to produce and ends up earning 90 million, that's very good. I'm not saying that Bond films should be made on such a small budget, just pointing out EON care more about how much profit is made than how much the film grosses. To be honest, I'm not sure which film will make EON more money in the end, SPECTRE or Casino Royale.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    If it hits 900 (which I'm 99% positive it will) then the last two Bond films have grossed 2 billion. Wow. So the last 4 will have grossed over 3 billion, over twice what the previous Bond actor did. I'm not knocking Brozza, he killed it at the BO. I'm just saying, wow, the standards are extremely high now. If Craig stays, does a 5th, they will hype up that it's his last and it should do 800-900 million at least and his run finishes over 4 billion across 5 films. That's nuts.

    It almost makes me worried that they will keep pushing the budget up to pull out all the stops to attempt to outdo the previous film. Then it means the new film has to do such and such total at the BO. I hope they tone it down a bit for the next one, make it for 200 or under. That way the pressure is not so much.

    EON has a history of upping the budgets and then reining them in again. It's cyclicar and part of the process of refreshing the series.

    Sometimes a stripped back budget makes the team work harder and you get a better movie. I'm not a fan of SF but it's budget took a knock after the relatively disappointing performance of QOS and the resulting movie was a smash hit.

    Look at the stripped back FYEO after the bloated beast that was MR. It's all part of keeping things fresh.

    I actually worry more about how they creatively and critically match the expectations deriving from the Craig era. It's going to be hard. I think in a way they might settle for a more steady as she goes period? Not sure. As you say, upping the ante every movie can become a process of diminishing returns.

    I agree, after Craig they should hire an unknown and just bang a new Bond out every two years like the old days. Keep within a tighter budget and just focus on scoring generally positive reviews/decent box office. I think we should try and move away from the 'big revelation/character exploration' of the Craig era and return to a more mission based formula. I don't think anyone really expects a Bond film to last more than two hours, so cutting back the running time will automatically save millions of production costs and produce a story that is less likely to contain lots of plot holes.

    We all like it when the latest Bond does massive numbers, but we should remember that it is the profitability, not the gross that counts. A film can make 500 million at the box office, but if it takes 475 million to produce and market, then that's not impressive. But if a film cost 20 million to produce and ends up earning 90 million, that's very good. I'm not saying that Bond films should be made on such a small budget, just pointing out EON care more about how much profit is made than how much the film grosses. To be honest, I'm not sure which film will make EON more money in the end, SPECTRE or Casino Royale.

    Profitability in percentage return terms matters, but I suppose so does actual size of the profit in absolute terms. If that makes sense.

    I can't see them carrying on the personal reveal storylines indefinitely. It's very much reflecting what's happening in other films right now and Mendes has clearly been massively influenced by Nolan, Batman and the superhero films in general.

    Things will change before long and there'll be a new trend.



  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,437
    For me the John Glen era is what it should return to. He produced films of varying quality; some good, some bad, but overall the franchise felt steady back then. It wasn't at the heights of the sixties, but it was chugging along nicely. Compare that to nowadays. WTF happened? Bond today is the absolute opposite. The series feels like its lurching about a lot now, with big gaps in between. Just as soon as there is success, there is disappointment at the next turn. The Bond character went from young rookie, to hasbeen in the space of three films!

    My point is, with all the emphasis now on continuity and ' unifying the Craig era', the franchise has never felt more disjointed than now, IMO. Getting a workmanlike director in, might mean the films make less money, but without the 'artistic fancy' of someone like Mendes, plus the return of the 2 year cycle, they will be more profitable in the long run.
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