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I think that's my point - that quintessiantial Fleming is a good mix of the realistic and the fantastical - OHMSS and SP are absolutely fantastical.
For me, one of the biggest problems with CR is that these moments are handled with all the subtly of a hand grenade i.e. bloodied Bond pout's into bathroom mirror. :-&
I like that moment in CR, felt very Fleming.
I'm not surprised, it was inserted for that very reason, I.e. for the sake of it.
It just reminded me of times when Bond looks in the mirror and finds his cold blue eyes staring back him, it was class. And I don't think it was for the sake of it. It wasn't just thrown in, it comes after the killings in the stairwell fight - a perfect place to have it.
I disagree. It was shoehorned in. A similar scene could by inserted into any Bond film after an action scene has just occurred. The reason it isn't is because other films feel a responsibility to entertain rather than to pause for heavy handed dramatic interludes.
What do you think about the shower scene between Bond and Vesper, I loved that too?
It's one of the most important moments in the film. It showcases his vulnerability and amplifies the fact he is still a blunt instrument at this point, a relative rookie and man who gets battered a bruised. Over the course of four films he has evolved into a slicker, more honed agent.
I agree
That is better because we are seeing the relationship between Bond and Vesper deepen through a shared experience. A strange way of getting to know and trust one another, I suppose. I don't mind it.
Like I say, I have nothing against dramatic moments if they fit in and add to the story. But CR for me is just too in your face with it, rather than subtle. Like at the end, when they are in love, the dialogue is awful, IMO.
Like 'I have no armour left.' It's all too 'on the nose' for me. Fleming or not.
Nah.
Evidence of why I don't post regularly anymore. No point.
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Ernst Stavro Blofeld
The mirror scene after the stairwell fight in CR is as @RC7 mentioned an important moment in the film. For the reasons he goes into. It's a great scene that makes CR all the better for having it.
"I'll buy you a delicatessen, in stainless steel!"
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No dice.
A real shame too. While we might not always agree on things, I've always enjoyed your thoughts and opinion's here. I hope you come back in full force to make discussions and take names. @RC7. :)
There always a point ...some like to read your thoughts and others.
May not always agree ..but nobody's perfect :D
Yes, quite.
Well said.
I'm at a loss as to how you differentiate between the vodka scene in TND but that's by the by.
If you're happy that Bond films 'are supposed to be first and foremost enjoyable romps' (not sure which you source you are quoting for this statement but never mind) I'm overjoyed for you. Some of us prefer a bit more meat on the bone rather than a Mcdonalds of YOLT, MR or DAD.
However before you start claiming one of the most Flemingesque scenes in the series is 'shoehorned in' I suggest you go and read the opening chapter of GF where dozy old Ian goes and shoehorns in a bit of pointless character development rather than cutting straight to the enjoyable rompy stuff at Fort Knox.
If it's good enough for Fleming to have Bond reflecting on how his work affects him then I, personally, wouldn't be so presumptuous as to say we don't need such things in a Bond film.
But who am I to offer a voice of reason against more romping?
Totally agree with this.