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Skyfall To Introduce SMERSH?

JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
edited December 2011 in Skyfall Posts: 5,745
*Completely my thinking, not an actual rumor*

SMERSH is one organization movie-Bond has never actually had to deal with directly.
The closest he came was in From Russia With Love, where Rosa Klebb was a former member of the Russian elite group.

In that film, a central location is Turkey, where Kerim Bay and the Russians play a game of espionage back and forth on a frequent basis.

So with Craig stating that FRWL is one of his favorite films, and having an actor that could easily play a Turk or a Russian villain and who is more physical, could we possibly see an introduction of SMERSH into Craig's modern time-line?

Keep in mind Craig did say it would be very classic Bond, and him v. the Russians would have a very retro Cold War atmosphere to it.

Would you want to see SMERSH appear?
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  • Agent005Agent005
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    Since SMERSH was technically disolved in 1946 and the KGB, GRU, and USSR are long gone, I don't see how it could work.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    SMERSH was actually real, and as @Agent005 stated, wiped out so it can't have a place in our modern time or Bond film.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    You really think the KGB, or some form of them have really gone?

    Maybe not SMERSH by name. But Russia has yet to become a Democracy.

    Again, I highly doubt Russia got rid of all of its espionage groups. They simply re-named them.

    And besides. Its the movies, they can bend and snap all they want the rift of time.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    I do think Smiert Spinoum would be a great title for a bond film... but that is as close to Smersh as I'd go.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    How could you have that as a title but not include the organization? ;)
  • Agent005Agent005
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    Yes, the KGB is gone. Some form of them exist, of course. Just like the OSS is long gone, but some form of that organisation (the CIA) still exists.

    An organisation bent on liquidating the covert agents of other services could well be used, but you couldn't rightly call it SMERSH.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Agent005 wrote:
    Yes, the KGB is gone. Some form of them exist, of course. Just like the OSS is long gone, but some form of that organisation (the CIA) still exists.

    An organisation bent on liquidating the covert agents of other services could well be used, but you couldn't rightly call it SMERSH.

    Why? I guarantee you the general population has no idea a "SMERSH" ever existed, and for the Bond film it would be a throwback (not the film, just the reference to the organization) to the novels.

    I agree, it would be a great plot, thus why MI6 gets attacked in SKYFALL and M comes under fire (maybe literally). She has said she misses the Cold War, and maybe the 'her past comes back to haunt her' part is some -possibly rogue- Russian organization out to destroy a competitive group.
  • commandbond007commandbond007
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    I think it could work but maybe SMERSH is a secret Russian group or something...not sure how it could work with Quantum being the new mystery organization. Dont think it a good idea to introudce another organization. Or they could use as Bardem character background?
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
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    Are you sure it's not SC saying Smurf?
  • commandbond007commandbond007
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Agent005 wrote:
    Yes, the KGB is gone. Some form of them exist, of course. Just like the OSS is long gone, but some form of that organisation (the CIA) still exists.

    An organisation bent on liquidating the covert agents of other services could well be used, but you couldn't rightly call it SMERSH.



    Why? I guarantee you the general population has no idea a "SMERSH" ever existed, and for the Bond film it would be a throwback (not the film, just the reference to the organization) to the novels.

    I agree, it would be a great plot, thus why MI6 gets attacked in SKYFALL and M comes under fire (maybe literally). She has said she misses the Cold War, and maybe the 'her past comes back to haunt her' part is some -possibly rogue- Russian organization out to destroy a competitive group.

    I think it could work SMERSH is a cold war organization? maybe if done propertly it can relate back to M's past or something.....maybe like that SMERSH which is believed to be disbanded returns unexpected where M help to bring them down but they somehow come back to haunt M...I dont know it can work but I dont SMERSH should be front and central just in the background maybe even mention
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    I doubt we'll ever see any Bond movies that deal with Russian government organizations. The Russians are not viewed as the baddies they were back in the fifties when Flemming wrote the books.
    I could see some Russian Mafia who are basically organized crime but then MI6 would never stoop to chasing common criminals. That is what local law enforcement, Interpol is for.
    Post 911 has made funding terrorists the "evil" that Bond squares off with in our world. Cold War is a thing of the past, SPECTRE is long gone.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    SMERSH isn't an organization. Its a government funded and lead operation group. Russia and the U.S. switch up which city they aim their nukes on each other every day, so they very much are still a bad guy. Their relations with Iran, Pakistan, China, and North Korea only support that. SMERSH could be an operating force comprised of Chinese, Korean, and Russian commandos with the only job being to keep their countries secrets safe.

    SPECTRE and SMERSH co-existed, why cant Quantum and SMERSH?
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    SMERSH was referenced in TLD, as the organization that was offing agents (used as a red herring by the villain). They were never outright called "SMERSH", just as "Smiert Spinoum".
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    It's a good assumption, @JWESTBROOK, and not a far cry from something that could happen in a Bond movie. CR and QoS dealt with modern concepts of villiany in the form of banker terrorists and eco-friendly tree hugger terrorists, so if SF wants to continue the trend, then I doubt SMERSH would even be a possibility. However, if SF is taking a classic approach, then perhaps something along a foreign secret organization could possibly be utilized. I just think we need to hear a few more rumors and see a few more photos and stuff like that before we can finalize these thoughts.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    The problem with adapting SMERSH is that it was a product of its time. SMERSH was the assassination bureau of the Soviet Union. Its existence depended on the Soviets. Without the Soviet Union, there is no need for a SMERSH.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Oh, like Russia doesn't have an assassination program today.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Agent007391 wrote:
    Oh, like Russia doesn't have an assassination program today.

    Thats what I'm saying. To repeat, Russia has yet to become a Democracy. They've been lead by the same 'president' for how many years, God knows how corrupt he's made the election process. And what has Russia done lately? Gone to war with a little country called Georgia for nearly no reason. Why would Russia want to add something the size of 1/40 the rest of its nation.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Well, think about how big the USSR was back in the days before The Fall of The Wall. You don't have to be a Communist to want that much power backing the nation you lead. Not to mention how many hardliners are in positions of power, who will stop at nothing to regain the countries that formerly made up the USSR. Maybe in another 10-15 years, we'll be on the verge or deep in the middle of another Cold War.
  • Agent005Agent005
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    You gents might just be persuading me that it could work...
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Agent007391 wrote:
    Oh, like Russia doesn't have an assassination program today.
    Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. But depicting a state-sponsored assassination squad as an enemy is a dangerous line to tread. One of the reasons why SMERSH was reimagined as SPECTRE in the films was because EON made a point of never showing one nation as being responsibile for the plots of the Bond films.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    SMERSH wasn't "reimagined" as SPECTRE in the films, it was just replaced with them. Plus, it gave SPECTRE more appearances, which the group needed.
  • timmertimmer
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    Smersh is ananchronistic in the modern context. It was a Soviet construct of the cold war. It was the real deal, which Fleming worked into his 1950's Bond adventures. In fact Fleming had many of his villains of that period connected with Smersh including Mr. Big, Goldfinger and Le Chiffre.
    It might work in the modern context, as current fanatics possibly trying to revive it, or it could play into the Skyfall backstory, but otherwise it's not plausible.
    Spectre can work any old time, because it is a completely fictitious organization and there is no "real world" history for it to conflict or justify with.
  • Agent005Agent005
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    Well said, @timmer. We're on the same page.
  • timmertimmer
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    And Shadow is saying much the same thing.
  • The_British_SpyThe_British_Spy
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    I doubt that, maybe they would re-introduce the SPECTRE organization, as I see on Ralph Fiennes as he is great to portray as Blofeld or I am maybe wrong, In my speculations maybe Ralph would be the new M and the old M which is Dame Judi could be killed in the movie, let's just say on plane crash or mid-air explosion hence the title, SkyFall,maybe, just maybe, Speculations galore!!!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    The_British_Spy wrote:
    maybe they would re-introduce the SPECTRE organization,

    Quantum from CR and QoS was kind of a reimagining of SPECTRE. So, if Ralph Fiennes does come on as Blofeld, he might be a Blofeld that leads Quantum, instead.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    It has already been confirmed that SKYFALL has nothing to do with the events of CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Furthermore, it has no content from any of the novels. Neither Blofeld not SPECTRE will be appearing in the film. Eye-witness reports from filming in London appear to support this.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    timmer wrote:
    Smersh is ananchronistic in the modern context. It was a Soviet construct of the cold war. It was the real deal, which Fleming worked into his 1950's Bond adventures. In fact Fleming had many of his villains of that period connected with Smersh including Mr. Big, Goldfinger and Le Chiffre.
    It might work in the modern context, as current fanatics possibly trying to revive it, or it could play into the Skyfall backstory, but otherwise it's not plausible.
    Spectre can work any old time, because it is a completely fictitious organization and there is no "real world" history for it to conflict or justify with.

    A very interesting point, the bit about it playing into the back story.

    Perhaps SMERSH is the foundation of a newly founded (post-Cold War) group, with many high ranking officials in charge of the operations of the group ex-SMERSH operatives.

    Bardem could play the anti-Bond. Perhaps his father was a covert SMERSH agent, and when he was burned him and his family (or so the MI6 thought) were killed, leaving an Orphaned Bardem. Bardem, now a part of the new-SMERSH or a rogue agent from that group is out for revenge on the woman he finds responsible for the death of his parents, and its up to Bond to defeat Bardem before Bardem gets to M.

    Thus continuing the story of Bond's struggle to get past things, with CR and QoS dealing with the loss of Vesper, and SKYFALL dealing with the loss of his parents. Bardem could share the role of Camille, showing Bond what will happen if he doesn't get over what is already lost. Showing him what he will become if he lets his emotions get the better of him.

    Many people believe Bond will search for the reason behind his parent's death, but perhaps the film actually looks into a similar storyline with the villain. Once the villain realizes he's up against Bond, he looks into Bonds past, and displays the details to him, thus the finale in Scotland.

    Boom.
  • timmertimmer
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    shadowonthesun wrote:
    It has already been confirmed that SKYFALL has nothing to do with the events of CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Furthermore, it has no content from any of the novels. Neither Blofeld not SPECTRE will be appearing in the film. Eye-witness reports from filming in London appear to support this.
    I think you are right. There is nothing of substance to support Blofeld or Spectre returning, as much as I would like to see it.
    On the face of it, Fiennes quip that his character would not be stroking a cat, or whatever he said, sounds a lot like Fiennes simply finding a creative way to say he won't be playing Blofeld. Eon's assertion that the film is not derived from Fleming material also strongly suggests no Blofeld as well. I think it also rules out Smersh, as Fleming is rife with Smersh,

  • commandbond007commandbond007
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    Blofeld will not return as much as everyone wants him to come back...Fiennes is not blofeld since I think this just a one time movie and that it.....Quantum will not returned either as mention already......it is an orginal story there is no connection to any ian fleming at all except the characters
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