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Not to mention what this film does to decimate (I'm using this word a lot lately) a lot of the future storylines that would make fans go nuts.
As anyone who has seen the film will know,
At the end of this movie, apropos of nothing, Batman is suddenly best buds with Supes and declares that the "heroes" (feels wrong to use this word) must all join together and save the earth from future threats. WHAT? Hard to believe, considering the film never has them talking or connecting outside of punching and kicking the shit out of each other. Where did this respect and adoration come from, exactly? Did it fall from the sky?
The biggest issue here is that DC have already told the death of Superman story, and in such a sloppy fashion to boot. As we all thought from the trailer, Doomsday wasn't a true worthy threat, just a way for Snyder and his team of nitwits to make Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman join together and fight against him. He's poorly used, serves no other purpose beyond that, and they've now thrown away any chance of properly adapting the Death of Superman arc, which is crippling and keeps me up at night.
Guys, think if DC had waited until after JL part 2 in a Superman solo film to have Doomsday kill him. By that time, Superman would have been loved by the public, his fellow heroes would've admired and respected him, and seeing them all mourn his loss would have been emotional and heart wrenching. But what did they give us instead? The public, who hate him all film suddenly looooove and miss him, and Batman and Wonder Woman, who barely knew him at all, suddenly want to devote their entire lives to fighting evil threats in his memory. Give me a goddamn break. To make matters worse, they kill Superman just to bring him back again, ruining any weight that move had, which again, wasn't much considering you never feel like people liked him enough to miss him in the first place, outside of Ma Kent and Lois.
Who here actually licked all this up? I mean, come on. We're better than this folks, way better, and we deserve better heroes than this garbage excuse of a superhero film.
And worst of all, this is our DCCU for a long, long time now, unless by some miracle these aren't box office hits and the franchise is abandoned. Warner and DC won't be stopped by bad fan reviews, because they don't care about how we feel, and because money talks and it's all that matters now.
Worst of all, I probably won't see a proper Batman in a proper Batman movie until I'm well over 30, and that's just shameful.
Maybe.
Some people can stomach what they've done to Batman, Superman and all the rest, and you may be able to as well, chris. And I envy the ability people have to do this, but as much as I liked some of the content in this movie at shining moments, the feeling I got in the pit of my stomach when Batman killed people and Superman told Lois he couldn't be a good guy forever just ruined any of that for me. These are not the heroes we all love, guys.
What do you think our five year old selves, dressed in Superman and Batman pajamas would say about this movie? Come on, now.
No, I considered it, but I never saw MOS because I heard what they did there, and here they just double the BS.
My 5 year old self would never have liked any of this super dark, hyper-violent stuff.
I didn't have such high expectations and it wasn't all that terrible to me. Run of the mill & mediocre, as expected. The trailers sort of suggested this to a degree.
For me, superhero films that have far exceeded expectations include (in no order):
-The Nolan trilogy (yes, all 3 of them)
-Batman Returns (the first one, despite all the hype, did not work on all levels for me)
-Spider Man 2 (Tobey version of course)
-Cap America - Winter Soldier
-Iron Man
For me not to see MOS lets you know how much sheer weight I give to the tone in a movie.
Impressive! And it's good to see that my favorite MI6 member is still around :x
I honestly have never ever been so disappointed and beyond saddened while leaving a movie theater before in my life. That's not an exaggeration, either. I've walked out of theaters from bad movies before, but this is different. I had so much invested in this, and so much trust in DC to give us what we deserved, and they went beyond failure. I'd say I'm upset, but it's just not the right word. I'd be upset if I slept in and missed a college class. I'd be upset if I made plans with a friend and forgot about it. I'd be upset if I didn't meet expectations on a paper or exam.
The better descriptors for how I feel about this film are infuriated, appalled and inconsolable. And I'll be honest: the biggest reason why I find it so hard to like this movie is because of how Batman and Superman are portrayed. I grew up with the Batman and Superman animated series, Batman Beyond, JLA, JLA Unlimited and all the animated films in between. These characters are not them; they are so far removed from what each stand for that I honestly have a hard time calling Batman Batman and Superman Superman. It's like this movie is showing us an alternate reality universe with a Batman and Superman in it who are Bizarro images or super extreme versions of their regular counterparts, and it's scary. They aren't heroic, they aren't worthy of being supported and they aren't justified in doing anything that they do.
And even still, IF by some miracle anything Batman and Superman did in this film made sense or was in character, this film would still be a steaming pile of garbage. Everything they set up in MoS to address, from the destruction of Metropolis to whether Superman is a force of good or evil in the world, is dropped completely by one event that I honestly can't even describe in words how appalling it was to see, and that you can spot coming a mile away. This movie cheats us out of interesting character development, interesting characterizations, interesting character interactions and so, so much more. Want to see Superman talk in a Congressional hearing to explain why he does what he does? Sorry, you're not getting that, even though it appeared in every trailer. Want to see Superman show the public just how good of a man he is? Oh, I'm sorry, maybe next time...or not.
Lex has such a thin motivation it's laughable, they tarnish what must be one of your favorite Superman moments from the comics, @chrisisall, that continues to decimate this thing to oblivion, and storylines and plot points are openly abandoned or brushed over. All the while, Batman blows people up, snaps necks, stabs, shoot and destroys anything in his path while at the same time trying to kill Superman for causing people to die in MoS, which holds absolutely no weight. Bruce is so upset that Superman let people die, but he has no issue sending people to certain death or pulling the trigger himself. What the hell is that about, huh? What an delusional whackjob.
Superman in MoS is perfect and never, ever means to bring about the destruction that arises when he and Zod fight. Batman should get that, but this is All Star Batman and Robin Batman more than anything, so all we get is a crazy psychopath in a batsuit. I'm scared of him, but for all the wrong reasons, and I'm scared that Snyder and his team thought that fans like me would actually be able to get behind him. There's not even a brief moment in this entire movie when Bruce explains why he's suddenly okay with killing people now. Not once, and nobody, not Alfred or Superman or Ma Kent or Lois or Lex or Perry White or anybody else calls him on it. Is this the kind of hero we want to see, guys? Because it's not one I do.
And to think that for the past year or so I had the gall to call out Marvel for not exploring their characters properly, or presenting moral complexities. What a fool I have been, thinking Warner and DC would deliver an interesting cinematic universe to challenge Marvel and create a great time for comics fans on both sides of the front.
I was going to catch Civil War after it hit theaters, but now I'm going to one of the ones at the head of the pack. Marvel has all of my support now, and DC none with this current universe of "heroes," if I can even call them that. What a sad, sad time to be a Batman and Superman fan, but especially the former.
This all feels like one bad dream, but I have yet to wake up.
With a few obvious tweaks here and there this is how I feel about the last couple of Bond films especially SP.
You should watch BvS. Look at it as a patchwork of awesome and some not so awesome sequences.
The Knightmare sequence alone justifies the ticket price. That might just be the single most awesome thing I have ever seen in a live action comic book movie. It's like Sucker Punch with Batman, freaking bloody gigantically orgasmic.
I worry about the kids who grow up with these films. People of my generation had the amazing animated shows (still the best adaptations of these characters, mind you) to learn from, because they presented true heroes who helped innocents and always did the right thing.
Kids of today have this movie, however, and whatever comes after it. And what a downgrade it is: a murderous Batman, a Superman who labels himself as a bad guy and a mad scientist Luthor. Nobody is likable and nobody looks out for each other. The US army fly in and blow up Gotham and Metropolis, the public tear Superman apart when he's one of the least evil people in the film, and everyone solves their problems with each other by fighting, not talking. It just sends a very negative precedent for young kids watching these films who think this is how heroes are supposed to act.
DC have been out of touch with their characters for a while now, but this is just unreal. And the sad thing is that these films will rake in the cash, Warner won't give a damn about how horrible the movies are and they'll keep pushing them out happily, with barren characters and abysmal plots full of holes and leaps of logic that will only amount to a poor man's version of what Marvel's superior team have crafted. The Marvel catalogue shows that it's amazing what you can do when you hire people who actually know their characters. Not all their films are smash hits, but at least in those subpar efforts Iron Man acts like Iron Man, Thor acts like Thor, Cap acts like Cap, and on and on. Batman v Superman can't say even that.
It even starts with Bond arriving at Lex's place in an Aston Martin....I mean Wayne, Bruce Wayne.
Needless to say that Diana Prince (Gal Cadot) is the best Bond girl I've seen in ages.
I almost wish Ben Affleck was British :))
As for those who mentioned that if you like MoS, you'll like this one. I don't completely agree that it's true. Watching MoS this past week, I loved it because of the way the story was told, seeing the characters's struggles and the themes presented. I thought BvS had some good ideas, but they just weren't presented well. Sure, they have similar visual styles and darker tones, but MoS is much better overall.
I loved it so much that if I saw Snyder in person I'd give his neck a big, big hug.
The only way this film works is if you pretend Bruce is somebody else. Actually, it'd still be bad.
@Artemis81, I probably won't be going back for a second viewing, to be honest. I've just had enough, really, and there's too many holes for me to enjoy it, especially with Batman being who he is here. There's nothing keeping me coming back.
I agree about MoS, though. Loved it and hoped the great stakes it addressed would be addressed in BvS, but of course we got cheated out of all of it. Everything is set up, then literally and figuratively blown to smithereens in one scene, and never brought up again. To make matters worse, Superman is 180 degrees removed from who he is in MoS. Here, he wasn't even recognizable.
And it's funny, this movie is called Batman v Superman, but in the plot the filmmakers present, Batman and Superman wouldn't ever have to fight at all, which is just another reason why it fails so much. All Superman had to do was
I really try to like this movie, I try hard. And now you come along and make this post above which makes total sense and is.....
ahhh.....I can't say it.....t h e......t....r.....u.....t..h...aaarghhhh..... :))
There are some really cringe-worthy things in it. Everything Eisenberg, and sadly he has a lot of screen time. Supes being depressed (more or less from start to finish).
The creation of
What does Lex try to achieve? What's his end-game?
Another thing that angers me in retrospect: Alfred isn't a butler, did you see him buttle anything?
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice
Man of Steel
Let's hope it'll make you understand more those who feel that way here with Mendes' Bond :) For some, it's no so great to see a movie that throws everything away from a given universe for the sake of a few self-conscious iconic scenes...
Let's see what you'll make of the "it made a ton of money so they're right and you're wrong" approach with Batman vs Superman !
How can it be a change of character for Bond or Blofeld when this is the first time they have met onscreen?
To even compare SP with BvS is ridiculous.
While SP has an easy to follow plot with clear character motivation and is nicely structured, BvS is a total plot, sub-plot and sub-sub plot mess, has illogical character motivations if any, everything is all over the place.
Compared to BvS, Spectre is a masterpiece of gigantic proportions.
It is the same thing with the movies. For me, every scene with Batman was a highlight of this new one.
I see we agree, which is strange...
to me it makes sense and if you Read A lonely place of Dying Batman in the comics was on a similar path Robin (Jason todd) was dead and Batman became more brutal in the comics so times that by 10-15 years (depending on when Joker killed robin) yeah I would imagine Batman would be right where we are in Batman V Superman he is angry he does brand and torture people he does womanize He lost Jason Todd and he never got Tim Drake OF COURSE he is going to be brutal what were you expecting Him to be Adam West's Batman and again I have to point to Keaton's Batman watch Batman Returns and play a drinking game on how many times Batman just murders some one heck even in Nolan there isn't a jury in the world that wouldn't of convicted him for killing Ra'z Al Ghul don't let fancy speeches distract you Batman murdered Ra'z in Batman Begins
2. Alfred isn't a butler so I hate him
Ok weird but lets talk about the character of Alfred clearly Irons version is taking influence from Batman: Earth One (volume 1 and 2) as well as Alfred in the 70's and 80's and Even Alfred from Grayson's run who while being butler also did the following things
1. Helped Train Bruce Wayne with his acting abilities to developed the Bruce Wayne persona
2. fixed Bruce's wounds And performed numerous procedures on him
3. Helped Build and maintain numerous gadgets and yes the batmobile
4. Take control of the Batmobile (this was done in comics numerous times)
5. act as a conscious for Bruce
and Irons Alfred did all of that was he more hands on then Caine yes is that a bad thing honestly no. I like Irons Alfred. I felt he was closest to the comic book interpretation that iam most comfortable with. Heck even in the Animated Series Alfred was seen helping bruce out in the cave numerous times.
Again for me this all makes sense and works well with the character Again Superman and Wonder Woman in this time line more then likely will be the beacon of hope needed for Bruce and honestly I can imagine since Superman and Lane are together maybe Batman ends up with Wonder woman in Justice league..
as a series I feel it's strong and wonderful and I am looking forward to seeing it again this weekend.
Bottom line like any film, if you not willing to buy into something you are by default going to critise many aspects. Initially I did not like Spectre, once I watched it again and accepted this interpretation it opened the door to really enjoying the film. Each to there own obviously.
It's just that I wanted it to be much better. The story is all over the place.
Maybe the 30 minutes longer Ultimate Cut will do wonders to the movie. I sure hope so.