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This. I understand having a recurring villain for three-four movies, but having the same villain behind the events of 10 out of 24 movies is enough. I like the idea of having multiple different enemies.
I'm actually one of the few people who enjoy having some continuity, but that doesn't mean you need to keep referencing the previous movies even when it's completely unnecessary just for the sake of it (such as the personal effects recovered from Skyfall) or that you need a mastermind behind the events of every single evil action Bond dealt with in his career. I'd rather see Bond developing as a character and learning from his past mistakes or evolving and changing because of what happened to him while fighting new threats.
I'd like a nice 4 word title-like From Russia With Love or Live and Let Die. We haven't had a 4 word title since For Your Eyes Only (unless you count Never Say Never Again).
Personally I could take or leave the Craig/Blofeld story continuing. As a kid I always loved the Spectre films- FRWL, TB, OHMSS, etc If there were a glimmer of hope of it turning into a Blofeld Trilogy with Craig then I'd be all for it. But, it seemed too late in Craig's era to start one. Especially since everything is so up in the air....and it takes longer for the films to come out these days.
I liked seeing Craig's Bond go up against Blofeld. I'm glad he got the chance, since he's my favorite Bond tied with Connery. Another, if executed well, would be nice.
Whats interesting is now that we know what we know with Spectre all of Craigs previous films were him killing Spectre agents.
Did I miss something? Aren't Le Chiffre, Greene and Silva as confirmed (ie hamfistedly retconned) as Patrice?
I was referring more to the types like Bond: men of action out in the field doing wet work. Like the man Bond fights in the CR PTS, Slate, Carlos and all the rest. Sorry for not clarifying.
No reason to believe that they were.
CR - Le Chiffre, Kratt, Gettler, White.
QOS - White, Mitchell, Slate, Greene, Elvis, Haines.
SF - Patrice, Silva (is Severine on the payroll?)
SP - Sciarra, Denbeigh, Hinx, Blofeld.
Yusef from QOS would be a SPECTRE operative too, I think.
Yep give you that. Knew I'd miss someone out.
Shows the brilliance of this organization, really. And their potential for damage.
Agreed.
Who knows? Maybe Silva, in one of his hot white suits, was at one of those meetings in Rome? And the assignment came up about infiltrating and taking down MI6?
I could see Raoul licking his chops like a hungry wolf.
Completely disagreed. I might be inclined to agree somewhat if the plan was to use SPECTRE in those capacities from the get go, and there was evidence to suggest that they were behind it in the other Craig films, but it just isn't there.
All of this, IMO, just goes to show how weak both Spectre and SPECTRE themselves are. The "brilliance" of the plan on SPECTRE's part to coerce Le Chiffre into assisting and getting Silva involved is simply a retcon tacked onto the end of Craig's tenure to make those individual, and unrelated, missions and villains seem like a part of a larger conspiracy when they weren't meant to be. I don't think that SPECTRE used Silva at all. It seemed pretty clear in Skyfall that he was in business for himself, not aided by a secret organization behind him, until it was decided much later on that, in order to give Spectre's abysmal script some much needed punching up that they needed to tie all of Craig's Bond films together when that intent wasn't there from the beginning.
i completely agree..
the only thing is, is does Craig feel he has anything further to explore with the character?... Myself, you, and others feel like he does - but it doesn't matter what we think when it comes to him making his decision...
there is a line in SP that always gives me reason to optimistic.... i know that it's just a line, and there is no extra hidden significance to it... but it's when Moneypenny is at Bond's flat and she says "People are saying that you're finished.".. Bond responds with "What do you think?".. to which Moneypenny says "I think you're just getting started." .... i would like to believe it as a parallel to what is going on in real life in regards to his future as Bond.... but oh well - whatever helps us sleep at night. :) lol
Agreed. I can accept CR and QS as part but not SF. Wasn't necessary.. just tarnished SF.
i don't mind the retconing of certain things, when it's done right... my biggest issue, is that it comes in a script that half cocked, and rushed to bring back Blofeld and Spectre way too damn fast... instead of sitting down, and really thinking hard about how best to bring Blofeld and Spectre back - they get the right backs from McClory's estate, and no less than a year later he's in the next film ((( i blame part of it on Logan, who had such a hard-on for Bond vs Blofeld - that when they finally regained the rights, he must've blew several loads in his pants that he could do his 'dream Bond film' ))) .... so now they've all got the hots to force Blofeld and Spectre back into the mix without really thinking about all that had to retcon in order to connect CR, QOS, and SF to the new film, and also to have it make somewhat sense.....
it was all rushed... and like i've said before, if they wanted to set Blofeld up as the big bad pulling all of Bond's strings over the course of 4 films - then they should've set it up right from the start and built towards the eventual reveal.... plus, even though i like SF, i think doing a one off, with no passing reference to the Quantum organization really killed the momentum they built with them in CR and QOS... this is a case where i believe a 3rd film involving the Quantum organization might have been nice... instead, they followed the DN, FRWL, GF formula - which, god bless 'em - it worked a billion times over.... but when they go right back to evil organization mode in SP - it's like in the middle of writing the script they forgot about Quantum.. so they just put in a toss away like about 'Quantum and all it's members are all connected to Spectre as well' ...... it's just poor writing.... i think history will look back on this time between QOS-SF-SP as a really big missed opportunity to rebuild something grand and epic between Bond and Spectre... but instead, they misfired badly.
This.
And this.
Rather than thinking 'Right we have finally got the rights we need to make sure we do it right not like the f**k up that was DAF after OHMSS.'
they needed to sit Craig down and say 'We've got the rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld but we can't do justice to it in one film or even two. Are you committed to doing a 3 film arc with a film in 2015, 2017/18 and 2020 as your final one? If you're not then fine. You've already proved to be an excellent and, more importantly, bankable Bond so we'll do you a TB style extravaganza to bow out on and then start Blofeld and SPECTRE with the next guy.'
You could then remove all mention of Blofeld from SP and have Oberhauser as the villain (then the stepbrother wank wouldn't be as offensive) and have it as a standalone film.
But the way they went about it the whole thing was done as if they had given scriptwriting duties to a 9 year old.
'Let's have SPECTRE come back and wouldn't it be cool if they were the baddies in all of Craig's films?'
'How would that work? Wouldn't it come across as incredibly clunky?'
'Nah it'll be fine. Logan and P&W have the talent to pull it off convincingly.'
'Let's have Blofeld back too!'
'And the cat!!'
'And we could give him the scar!!!'
'And wouldn't it be cool if he is Bond's foster brother!!!!'
Much as I decry the tedium of Marvel's sausage factory at least you get the impression they have at some point sat down and thought about their strategy whereas EON just make it up from scratch with every film. That's not a problem if you only make standalone films but if some genius then decides it would be a clever notion to clumsily stitch them all together like Christiaan Barnard with Parkinson's and a blindfold then don't be surprised if the patient expires on the operating table.