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As usual no arguments but insults. You certainly win any prize in that category.
Well anyone who attributes Vesper being a traitor to P&W rather than some random bloke called Ian Fleming seems to be asking to be insulted.
That being said at least it was original work, the SP score just seem to consist of recycled cues from SF. I presume Newman was more concerned with his assignment with Spielberg and just decided to slum it with EON.
I hope he never scores another Bond film again. Another aspect which made me appreciate QOS even more, still in my view Arnold's best Bond score to date, if only he'd scored SF.
Well I thought Newman's sloppy effort went without saying athough I think we should cut the 3rd act a little bit of slack for once as the awful score starts in the PTS.
How good would it have been to have this during the plane crash?
I remember you rescored that scene with several versions of the 007 theme @Murdock. How about a 'He's dangerous' version?
So Ian Fleming wrote the screenplay and script to Casino Royale. Wow.
If you cannot tell a book and an adapted screenplay apart then all hope is lost.
P+W decided how Vesper became the traitor in the cinematic version of the book. And that is what I meant. Do I really need to spell that out for you? Or do you just take pleasure in contradicting everything on principle?
AVTAK is my second favourite Barry score:)
Yes perhaps you do given that @Creasy47 and @Dragonpol took exactly the same meaning as I did from your line 'Even Vesper they turned into a villain' which implies that the character of Vesper was always portrayed as some sort of angelic perfect being but P&W decided to piss on Fleming and rewrite her in similar shoddy fashion as they did Blofeld.
And for the record the reason that Vesper became a traitor in the cinematic version of the book is the same reason as the literary version of the book so I'm not sure what it is P&W are deciding. Did they also decide that Bond beats Le Chiffre and then gets his bollocks battered?
Woah, I love that track.
Me too!! The melody of AVTAK is a masterpiece of gigantic proportions and Duran Duran's AVTAK is my No 1 song of all time even.
I could never unreservedly support any entry the way he subjects us to his nauseating propaganda for SPECTRE.
Forgetting that Fleming actually created the character of Vesper Lynd and her motivations and attributing it to the proverbial monkeys at the typewriter in order to bash arguably the best film of the Craig era shows serious desperation.
If you and your twin brother TheWizard want to jump on me every time I try to counteract your ridiculous agenda against Spectre then do. I don't mind.
I simply wanted to point out that the way Vesper suddenly turned out to be a traitor/villain or whatever you call it, was cinematically the same as Elektra suddenly being revealed as the villain. What's so difficult to get? It has nothing to do with the books.
You two just found one more reason to dwell in your negativity.
Why do I even bother. Time to leave this thread for good. There is still Mendes4Lyfe you can have "fun" with. Jeeze!
Well, 2007 - 2014 was a bad time to be a Bond fan, IMO. It looks like we could be entering another one of those periods again, with even the producers apathetic about bringing the character back. They seem more interested in other projects these days, so I don't blame anyone for holding onto and cherishing that brief time we had in the sun. Who knows when Bond will step forth from the shadows once more, and what he will look like when he does.
Ah, you made a fatal error there, mate. Any criticism of CR means you hate the film. That's just the law. ;)
Oh dear! Yes, I forgot, shame on me :))
You clearly missed this post where I acknowledge that SP is a pretty solid entry then:
At least Mendes4lyfe is open to a reasonable debate whereas you just start wailing like a scalded toddler the moment anyone dare suggest SP is anything other than cinematic perfection.
There are shades of grey you know. It's possible to enjoy SP and think it is a very good entry whilst also thinking parts of it are unacceptably poor.
I also see very few similarities between Elektra and Vesper despite you constantly using the word 'cinematically' like its a vital distinction that separates it from the book and somehow means therefore P&W are bastardising their own earlier work on TWINE. EON hired them to adapt Ian Fleming's novel CR and the key plot twist in this is that Vesper us a traitor so what are they supposed to do? Ignore her betrayal and instead just have them drive off into the sunset in the DB5? Actually don't answer that as that's probably your dream ending to every Bond film.
Oh dear, I missed the one positive post from you in the hundred negative ones. My sincere apologies then. My bad.
My negative ones are (Newman's laziness apart) almost exclusively about the car crash of the third act not the film in general which is pretty damn good but I guess that doesn't fit in with your portrayal of me as the evil bogeyman constantly shitting on the greatest film ever made.
Agreed. There's little similarity there outside of the fact that they're both turncoats. If that's all it takes to consider one a ripoff of the other, then we'd have to go back further than Elektra to say who they ripped off to create the cinematic Vesper.
The fact of the matter is that there are hints of Vesper's betrayal littered throughout EON's Casino Royale. It was not the "sudden" instance that some are claiming it to be here. You can see her resisting Bond's advances towards her throughout the film, even while at the same time seeming to want to give in to them. She's conflicted, knowing that she may very well be asked to betray him in the long run. Elektra, on the other hand, was a villain from the get go. There was little to no believability in her "victim" act. If there was ever a twist that fell flat in a film, it was her reveal as the villain. Saw that one coming from several miles away.
You are as bad as the rest, infact I'm sure that wooden spoon is due a renewal after all the sh*t stirring you do.
Oh look at me happy go lucky emoticon addict you others are so negative I'm the only one who puts a positive spin on things.
I'll admit my negativity on SP but you are just as bad with SF, people in glasshouses and unlike our hilariously witty friend The Wizard who has said more than a few times SP was a solid entry I'm more with @dalton & @birdleson thinking its easily the worst Craig entry and not the greatest motion picure of all time.
That being said... as the thread athour I guess it is my responsibility to remind you all that Vesper and CR is not the main topic of this thread :)