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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    something nice maybe all can appreciate:
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    4EverBonded wrote: »
    something nice maybe all can appreciate:
    Go ahead @4EverBonded, make us teary.
    *snif*
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    TripAces wrote: »
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    So we should vote for Trump because he's in bed with the Russians?

    Regardless of who else was going to be President, there were going to be (and will always be) tensions with Putin. I am not sure how that is a sound argument against HRC. Seriously.

    No, I didn't say you should vote for Trump. All I was trying to say is what the future will be like with Hillary in the office. Unless a miracle happens, she will be the president. She was handpicked for the job.

    You highlighted the first part of my sentence, and the point I was trying to make is in the second part. At this point, any further tensions with Russia could lead to an open war. I seriously believe that's possible.

    And what does "in bed with the Russians" exactly mean? If it means improving relations between the two countries, then I wholeheartedly support that.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    In our system, all candidates are picked by their parties and promoted. Has been since the beginning; nothing new there.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Trump didn't even know the Russians were in Ukraine. :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    4EverBonded wrote: »
    In our system, all candidates are picked by their parties and promoted. Has been since the beginning; nothing new there.
    Bernie played the system very well then, eh? He used it to get his message across most efficiently IMO.
    Now to the business at hand... let's get Hillary elected.

  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    4EverBonded wrote: »
    In our system, all candidates are picked by their parties and promoted. Has been since the beginning; nothing new there.

    I wasn't exactly talking about that, but never mind. I'll leave it there.

    You are right about one thing, though - nothing new there.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Superintendent wrote: »
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    No, I didn't say you should vote for Trump. All I was trying to say is what the future will be like with Hillary in the office. Unless a miracle happens, she will be the president. She was handpicked for the job.

    You highlighted the first part of my sentence, and the point I was trying to make is in the second part. At this point, any further tensions with Russia could lead to an open war. I seriously believe that's possible.

    And what does "in bed with the Russians" exactly mean? If it means improving relations between the two countries, then I wholeheartedly support that.

    I get that. But are you suggesting that with Hillary as President, that will cause tensions with Russia? The recent DNC and HRC campaign hacks suggest to me that Russia is threatened by her. How and why, I don't know. But if Russia is backing Trump, then that suggests we, as a nation, need to run from him even more. Given that HRC is a female, that could make relations with Russia even more difficult--I can see that. But Russia is in no economic shape to be going to war with the U.S. And they know it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh man, I'm crying I'm laughing so hard... =))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    We need someone qualified to be President, Not a glorified game show host with no political experience.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    But, @Murdock, "The Apprentice" wasn't a glorified...oh. I guess it was, huh? Oh, and BTW, Thomas Newman is demanding an apology! (Somehow, I don't think he'll get it...)
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    And now, here's a little ditty from one of the many fine entertainers we've lost this year: Dan Hicks (and His Hot Licks). You may not be Thomas Newman...but we miss ya, Dan!

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    It seems the states of Missouri, Utah and Georgia are shaping up to become heavier battleground states as opposed to the 2012 elections. Several post-DNC polls show this. Who would have guessed that:

    Utah:
    --> 36%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 35%: Donald Trump
    http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-could-vote-democrat-for-president-for-first-time-in-50-years

    Missouri:
    --> 41%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 40%: Donald Trump
    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/29/democrats-surging-hillary-clinton-takes-lead-trump-red-state-missouri.html

    Georgia:
    --> 45%: Donald Trump
    --> 45%: Hillary Clinton
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/clinton-trump-deadlocked-in-latest-georgia-poll/415167092?ecmp=wsbtv_social_twitter_sfp

    Georgia went blue last time in 1992 when Bill Clinton carried the state. Missouri was blue last time in 1996 when Bill Clinton carried Missouri for the 2nd time. But Utah...that's a different thing. That state went blue for the last time in 1964 after Lyndon. B. Johnson carried it.

    This is actually not so good news for Donald Trump, as his campaign is merely focused on three traditional working-class, blue-collar states, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and the state of Florida. Should the Trump campaign start put some campaign resources in Missouri, Utah and Georgia?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Not to mention Pennsylvania, the windy city.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Windy, eh ? A Trump should go down well. :D
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Not to mention Pennsylvania, the windy city.

    I thought that that was Chicago?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
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    I thought that that was Chicago?

    Probably.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania
    There is a town called Intercourse in Pennsylvania, ;)
  • FLeiterFLeiter
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
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    Probably.

    Clueless as usual.

  • FLeiterFLeiter
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    It seems the states of Missouri, Utah and Georgia are shaping up to become heavier battleground states as opposed to the 2012 elections. Several post-DNC polls show this. Who would have guessed that:

    Utah:
    --> 36%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 35%: Donald Trump
    http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-could-vote-democrat-for-president-for-first-time-in-50-years

    Missouri:
    --> 41%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 40%: Donald Trump
    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/29/democrats-surging-hillary-clinton-takes-lead-trump-red-state-missouri.html

    Georgia:
    --> 45%: Donald Trump
    --> 45%: Hillary Clinton
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/clinton-trump-deadlocked-in-latest-georgia-poll/415167092?ecmp=wsbtv_social_twitter_sfp

    Georgia went blue last time in 1992 when Bill Clinton carried the state. Missouri was blue last time in 1996 when Bill Clinton carried Missouri for the 2nd time. But Utah...that's a different thing. That state went blue for the last time in 1964 after Lyndon. B. Johnson carried it.

    This is actually not so good news for Donald Trump, as his campaign is merely focused on three traditional working-class, blue-collar states, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and the state of Florida. Should the Trump campaign start put some campaign resources in Missouri, Utah and Georgia?

    No. He should concentrate on Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Ohio. No one gives a rat's ass about Utah and Missouri. His campaign is woefully inadequate with regards to the micro-targeting approach of Hillary.

  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    FLeiter wrote: »
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    Clueless as usual.

    Nice to know some things never change. Cue Dan Hicks once again...
  • FLeiterFLeiter
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    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
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    Nice to know some things never change.

    He's a politically and geographic challenged person who is lost.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Please stick to the topic at hand, thanks guys.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    Just a couple more nice songs I think do speak to this political season:
    "I Scare Myself" and "Where's the Money?." After this, I'll go back to promoting the Presidential campaign of "The Cat in the Hat."


  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    Okay, back to the topic at hand: as many have predicted, Trump's thin skin and predilection to say whatever the heck pops into his head heedless of the consequences, shows him to be a totally inappropriate choice for President. Since the end of the Viet Nam war, military voters have been a fairly safe constituency for the Republican Party. Not any more, not with Citizen Trump as the Republican candidate. The party watches in horror as Trump picks fights with Gold Star families...and now the VFW has weighed in against the Donald. Meanwhile, the latest theory is that one big reason Donald won't release his tax returns is because they'll show just exactly how dependant he is on Russian money. Polls show Hillary with an eight point lead now that the conventions are done. I honestly do hope Gary Johnson is included in the debates, because he'll peel a lot of votes off of Trump from Republicans who just can't bring themselves to vote for their party's nominee this time around. Unfortunately for hard-line leftists, I just don't see the same thing happening for Jill Stein vs. Hillary. Sorry, Green Party -- this time it's the Libertarians that get a big push. You can have your turn in 2020, okay? There, does that pretty much sum up the situation at this point in time? Carry on, everybody...
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    To the topic of race and welfare:

    http://politicalblindspot.com/the-food-stamp-capital-of-the-u-s-is-white-and-republican/
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I think the Purge is a great idea for cutting the welfare budget, and it would
    Keep the gun lobby happy too. :P
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    It seems the states of Missouri, Utah and Georgia are shaping up to become heavier battleground states as opposed to the 2012 elections. Several post-DNC polls show this. Who would have guessed that:

    Utah:
    --> 36%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 35%: Donald Trump
    http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-could-vote-democrat-for-president-for-first-time-in-50-years

    Missouri:
    --> 41%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 40%: Donald Trump
    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/29/democrats-surging-hillary-clinton-takes-lead-trump-red-state-missouri.html

    Georgia:
    --> 45%: Donald Trump
    --> 45%: Hillary Clinton
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/clinton-trump-deadlocked-in-latest-georgia-poll/415167092?ecmp=wsbtv_social_twitter_sfp

    Georgia went blue last time in 1992 when Bill Clinton carried the state. Missouri was blue last time in 1996 when Bill Clinton carried Missouri for the 2nd time. But Utah...that's a different thing. That state went blue for the last time in 1964 after Lyndon. B. Johnson carried it.

    This is actually not so good news for Donald Trump, as his campaign is merely focused on three traditional working-class, blue-collar states, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and the state of Florida. Should the Trump campaign start put some campaign resources in Missouri, Utah and Georgia?

    And now also a new poll stating that Arizona becomes a firm battleground state. Difference with Utah, Missouri and Georgia though, is that the Clinton campaign is doing big grass-roots efforts in the state that borders Trump's 'future big wall':

    Arizona:
    --> 45%: Hillary Clinton
    --> 42%: Donald Trump
    http://email.connectstrategic.com/t/j-34549BEAED04456D

    Arizona went Democratic for the last time back in 1996, when Bill Clinton won his 2nd term.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,119
    TripAces wrote: »
    To the topic of race and welfare:

    http://politicalblindspot.com/the-food-stamp-capital-of-the-u-s-is-white-and-republican/

    You forget an important thing here. Those people are not Republican. They are voting for 'Trumpism', they are 'Trumpites'. It's the same thing we saw in the UK during Brexit. Angry, poor, non-educated whites didn't vote for Cameron's Tories, they did vote for the anger that the UKIP verbalized so masterfully, and to a lesser extend the 'Johnsonites'. It's only because of the lack of a multi-party system that we fail to see how, especially, establishment parties on the right are eaten alive from the inside out.

    That's why for instance in my country, The Netherlands, having a multi-party system, the classic Conservative Parties (CDA, Christian Democrats and VVD, Conservative Liberals), have lost ground massively to Geert Wilders' PVV (Party Of Freedom). Especially the CDA was in The Netherlands the 'big one'. They delivered long-serving Prime Ministers and were the largest political force in The Netherlands for decades. But after 2006....CDA was eaten alive and is now only a marginal opposition party.
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