No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,139
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?
  • Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote: »
    LALD did similar business to TLD? Adjusted for inflation LALD is in the top 5 with about $860m. I think TLD is lucky to be making half that, I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure it's in the bottom 5, probably bottom 3. Sorry, but LALD was enormously successful next to TLD.

    $825 to be precise ;-)

    1. Skyfall 2012 Daniel Craig $1,108,561,008
    2. Thunderball 1965 Sean Connery $1,014,941,117
    3. Goldfinger 1964 Sean Connery $912,257,512
    4. Spectre 2015 Daniel Craig $880,669,186
    5. Live and Let Die 1973 Roger Moore $825,110,761
    6. You Only Live Twice 1967 Sean Connery $756,544,419
    7. The Spy Who Loved Me 1977 Roger Moore $692,713,752
    8. Casino Royale 2006 Daniel Craig $669,789,482
    9. Moonraker 1979 Roger Moore $655,872,400
    10. Diamonds Are Forever 1971 Sean Connery $648,514,469
    11. Quantum of Solace 2008 Daniel Craig $622,246,378
    12. From Russia with Love 1963 Sean Connery $576,277,964
    13. Die Another Day 2002 Pierce Brosnan $543,639,638
    14. Goldeneye 1995 Pierce Brosnan $529,548,711
    15. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 1969 George Lazenby $505,899,782
    16. The World is Not Enough 1999 Pierce Brosnan $491,617,153
    17. For Your Eyes Only 1981 Roger Moore $486,468,881
    18. Tomorrow Never Dies 1997 Pierce Brosnan $478,946,402
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun 1974 Roger Moore $448,249,281
    20. Dr. No 1962 Sean Connery $440,759,072
    21. Octopussy 1983 Roger Moore $426,244,352
    22. The Living Daylights 1987 Timothy Dalton $381,088,866
    23. A View to a Kill 1985 Roger Moore $321,172,633
    24. Licence to Kill 1989 Timothy Dalton $285,157,191


  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,584
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.
  • Posts: 4,325
    Birdleson wrote: »
    IGUANNA wrote: »
    Actually lots of people could have played Bond in Goldeneye it would have been a success, yes even Dalton, for Dalton it could have been his comeback Spy Who Loved Me, so let's not talking like Brosnan was the onyl one who could have resurrected the series... It was the hard work of everyone around him, and often in my opiniion the movie works in spite of him and not because of him. I'm sorry.

    "Comeback" is not an apt word. Though TLD did fair box office, Timothy never had that near universal acceptance that Roger received right out of the gate, both critically and financially.

    Roger was critically and financially accepted right out of the gate? LALD did ok financially - probably similar to TLD. But TMWTGG certainly wasn't accepted on either count. LALD does better if you're adjusting for inflation - but also on those terms - Moonraker is the only Moore film that makes the top half of all Bond films financially.
    Basically - Roger's and Tim's sophomoric outings were met with lukewarm responses and the future was questioned - even loudly in TMWTGG's case within contemporary reviews. Roger bounced back with bigger, better TSWLM after a long three year gap. But I agree with your assertion that Tim never really won over the public the way Roger eventually did. And I'm not sure if Dalton (as much as I love him) ever would have.

    Live and Let Die is way higher than Moonraker when adjusted for inflation.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2016 Posts: 9,117
    NicNac wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.

    I think that Dalton just didn't excite audiences and as @NicNac says no one was too bothered when he was got rid off.

    Would the public have accepted Dalton in GE? Very difficult question to answer but the indications weren't very promising, particularly after the 6 year hiatus.

    But asking if the series being revived was down to Brosnan and he was the only one who could've done the job I'm not sure is true either.

    Fact 1: People didn't warm to Dalton.
    Fact 2: Brosnan was a popular choice for the role with the public.

    But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have come in and had similar popularity to Brosnan.

    I'm not even sure Dalton's unpopularity was the key factor here. It seems as though the public has just reached Bond fatigue by the 80s with the five 80s films bottom of the box office and delivering diminishing returns as the decade went on with only TLD earning more than its predecessor due no doubt to new Bond bounce.

    It could be argued that the 6 year gap was more fundamental than who was cast as long he did a competent job (and wasn't Dalton).
  • Posts: 4,325
    NicNac wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.

    I think that Dalton just didn't excite audiences and as @NicNac says no one was too bothered when he was got rid off.

    Would the public have accepted Dalton in GE? Very difficult question to answer but the indications weren't very promising, particularly after the 6 year hiatus.

    But asking if the series being revived was down to Brosnan and he was the only one who could've done the job I'm not sure is true either.

    Fact 1: People didn't warm to Dalton.
    Fact 2: Brosnan was a popular choice for the role with the public.

    But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have come in and had similar popularity to Brosnan.

    I'm not even sure Dalton's unpopularity was the key factor here. It seems as though the public has just reached Bond fatigue by the 80s with the five 80s films bottom of the box office and delivering diminishing returns as the decade went on with only TLD earning more than its predecessor due no doubt to new Bond bounce.

    It could be argued that the 6 year gap was more fundamental than who was cast as long he did a competent job (and wasn't Dalton).

    Box office takings were down in the 1980s generally, not just the case with the Bonds. Sean Bean should have been Bond in GoldenEye though. They went with Brosnan because he was a popular choice and they needed a huge success.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,722
    The whole marketing push for Brosnan was 'returning to the classic Bond'. They almost ignored Dalton's tenure. They played on the fact he was supposed to be Bond in 87 and now it was destiny fulfilled. He was known to US audiences because of Remington Steele and he even remained in the collective consciousness a little because of things like Mrs Doubtfire. The anticipation for him felt heightened. It felt that everyone was ready to like Goldeneye even before it was released. The tank chase and bungee stunt were always shown as was Xenia's femme fatale credentials and the Tina turner fronted theme tune. And I will always be grateful for Brosnan for resurrecting the franchise - because it easily could have sunk after 1989. And a lot of it was because since Remington Steele hit - he was what the public thought Bond 'should' look like. Of course every subsequent film adhered to the law of diminishing returns until I remember sitting in the theatre after watching Die Another Day thinking 'oh well, I guess this is what Bond is now' - and then BAM! Casino Royale hit and I was blown away all over again like when I first got into Bond so many years ago.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,584
    In the 90s the idea of a tall, dark handsome Bond was still the irreversible norm.
    Over the years we had heard rumours about Michael Caine, Patrick MacGoohan, Sean Bean, but a Bond different to the accepted look still seemed a no-no.

    Of course it took BB to change that, and now we can consider actors outside of the traditional look. Except we don't really. We are hankering for another tall, dark, handsome Bond
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.

    I think that Dalton just didn't excite audiences and as @NicNac says no one was too bothered when he was got rid off.

    Would the public have accepted Dalton in GE? Very difficult question to answer but the indications weren't very promising, particularly after the 6 year hiatus.

    But asking if the series being revived was down to Brosnan and he was the only one who could've done the job I'm not sure is true either.

    Fact 1: People didn't warm to Dalton.
    Fact 2: Brosnan was a popular choice for the role with the public.

    But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have come in and had similar popularity to Brosnan.

    I'm not even sure Dalton's unpopularity was the key factor here. It seems as though the public has just reached Bond fatigue by the 80s with the five 80s films bottom of the box office and delivering diminishing returns as the decade went on with only TLD earning more than its predecessor due no doubt to new Bond bounce.

    It could be argued that the 6 year gap was more fundamental than who was cast as long he did a competent job (and wasn't Dalton).

    Box office takings were down in the 1980s generally, not just the case with the Bonds.

    Hmm.

    Inflation adjusted:

    Batman - $545m
    Last Crusade - $427m
    Lethal Weapon 2 - $321m (for an R rated film)
    LTK - $75m

    Ok these are only domestic grosses (but domestic is what the studios base their decisions on) and LTK did reasonably internationally but it seems there were plenty of box office dollars out there in 89 if you give the audience something they want. Just doesnt seem like they wanted Dalts.
  • Posts: 4,325
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.

    I think that Dalton just didn't excite audiences and as @NicNac says no one was too bothered when he was got rid off.

    Would the public have accepted Dalton in GE? Very difficult question to answer but the indications weren't very promising, particularly after the 6 year hiatus.

    But asking if the series being revived was down to Brosnan and he was the only one who could've done the job I'm not sure is true either.

    Fact 1: People didn't warm to Dalton.
    Fact 2: Brosnan was a popular choice for the role with the public.

    But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have come in and had similar popularity to Brosnan.

    I'm not even sure Dalton's unpopularity was the key factor here. It seems as though the public has just reached Bond fatigue by the 80s with the five 80s films bottom of the box office and delivering diminishing returns as the decade went on with only TLD earning more than its predecessor due no doubt to new Bond bounce.

    It could be argued that the 6 year gap was more fundamental than who was cast as long he did a competent job (and wasn't Dalton).

    Box office takings were down in the 1980s generally, not just the case with the Bonds.

    Hmm.

    Inflation adjusted:

    Batman - $545m
    Last Crusade - $427m
    Lethal Weapon 2 - $321m (for an R rated film)
    LTK - $75m

    Ok these are only domestic grosses (but domestic is what the studios base their decisions on) and LTK did reasonably internationally but it seems there were plenty of box office dollars out there in 89 if you give the audience something they want. Just doesnt seem like they wanted Dalts.

    Absolutely, LTK underperformed in the north American market, that's pretty undisputed.
  • Posts: 11,119
    NicNac wrote: »
    In the 90s the idea of a tall, dark handsome Bond was still the irreversible norm.
    Over the years we had heard rumours about Michael Caine, Patrick MacGoohan, Sean Bean, but a Bond different to the accepted look still seemed a no-no.

    Of course it took BB to change that, and now we can consider actors outside of the traditional look. Except we don't really. We are hankering for another tall, dark, handsome Bond

    Yes, and it makes me a bit sad @NicNac. It took the Broccoli's guts to really think outside the box when casting Daniel Craig. 'Acting skills' became more dominant than 'typical Bond looks' when casting the lead actor.

  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,722
    I think Dalton suffered from not being 'cool' - Connery, Moore and Brosnan were cool. That was the perception of them for me anyway. By the time Moore got into the 80s he was kind of an institution so then Dalton's films were more about returning to a dangerous, edgier Bond - as was Craig - but Craig's era had the help of Bourne's influence to justify it. That was more in keeping with the films of the time. And Craig was more of the ripped physique than any of the others, so he was objectified as a physical specimen rather than just a suave spy. But Dalton and Lazenby were a little more anonymous to the public at large. Brosnan and Craig also benefited a little from doing a couple of visible films during their bond tenure (Dante's peak, Thomas crown affair - the girl with the dragon tattoo, cowboys and aliens).
  • Posts: 7,592
    LTK tested better in the U.S. than any previous Bond movie! It cannot be overstated how badly LTK was promoted! Even in its poster they almost hid the fact this was a Bond movie! GE was better advertised, had a kick ass trailer (with that great redux of the Bond theme!) and they pushed the whole, 'He's been given a second chance after missing out on TLD!' His face was everywhere! (Also have to remember how everyone was waiting to see the new Batman, so everything else paled in comparison, anticipation wise! The Batman movie had a phenomenal promotion campaign!)
    But its true Moores early films weren't as successful until TSWLM came out!
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    LALD did similar business to TLD? Adjusted for inflation LALD is in the top 5 with about $860m. I think TLD is lucky to be making half that, I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure it's in the bottom 5, probably bottom 3. Sorry, but LALD was enormously successful next to TLD.

    $825 to be precise ;-)

    Is it possible to be 'precise' about these things? I believe the figures you quoted were probably for 2012 as SF is not adjusted. Below are figures from last year which push LALD to over $860m, as I said.

    box-office-03.png
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    The problem is they got the rights to SPECTRE & ESB and spunked it up the wall with Bond 24.

    Rather than going if we are going to do this we need to plan it out and get DC cooperating on going forward.

    Instead the thought of bring this element back was too much for them to contend with and they didn't consider what would happen if DC left.

    Like some have already said they should have just finished the Dc era with wrapping up Quantum and Mr White and then either rebooted with a new timeline or continue from DC's with a new Bond and introduce SP with an actor committed to staying and playing this out.
  • Posts: 4,325
    Shardlake wrote: »
    The problem is they got the rights to SPECTRE & ESB and spunked it up the wall with Bond 24.

    Rather than going if we are going to do this we need to plan it out and get DC cooperating on going forward.

    Instead the thought of bring this element back was too much for them to contend with and they didn't consider what would happen if DC left.

    Like some have already said they should have just finished the Dc era with wrapping up Quantum and Mr White and then either rebooted with a new timeline or continue from DC's with a new Bond and introduce SP with an actor committed to staying and playing this out.

    But Spectre's being in all four of DC's films, right? :)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,452
    I really want the tall dark handsome Bond back.
  • Posts: 4,325
    I really want the tall dark handsome Bond back.

    You just want Poldark :)
  • Posts: 16
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    I really want the tall dark handsome Bond back.

    You just want Poldark :)

    Or a real-life character of Judah Ben-Hur.
  • tanaka123 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.

    I think that Dalton just didn't excite audiences and as @NicNac says no one was too bothered when he was got rid off.

    Would the public have accepted Dalton in GE? Very difficult question to answer but the indications weren't very promising, particularly after the 6 year hiatus.

    But asking if the series being revived was down to Brosnan and he was the only one who could've done the job I'm not sure is true either.

    Fact 1: People didn't warm to Dalton.
    Fact 2: Brosnan was a popular choice for the role with the public.

    But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have come in and had similar popularity to Brosnan.

    I'm not even sure Dalton's unpopularity was the key factor here. It seems as though the public has just reached Bond fatigue by the 80s with the five 80s films bottom of the box office and delivering diminishing returns as the decade went on with only TLD earning more than its predecessor due no doubt to new Bond bounce.

    It could be argued that the 6 year gap was more fundamental than who was cast as long he did a competent job (and wasn't Dalton).

    Box office takings were down in the 1980s generally, not just the case with the Bonds.

    Hmm.

    Inflation adjusted:

    Batman - $545m
    Last Crusade - $427m
    Lethal Weapon 2 - $321m (for an R rated film)
    LTK - $75m

    Ok these are only domestic grosses (but domestic is what the studios base their decisions on) and LTK did reasonably internationally but it seems there were plenty of box office dollars out there in 89 if you give the audience something they want. Just doesnt seem like they wanted Dalts.

    Licence to Kill was No. 4 its opening weekend in the U.S. It finished behind Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. The only other "new" movie being released that weekend was a re-release of Bambi.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2016 Posts: 23,883
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Brosnan is very underrated as Bond. Some don't give him enough credit. The man resurrected the franchise from is 6 year grave. IMO without Brosnan the franchise would of been dead a long time ago

    But was Brosnan really THAT instrumental though? The 6 year hiatus and with the scripts/stories being what they were, nothing really changes if you swap out Brosnan for any generic Bond-looking actor who's at least competent to perform in front of a camera.
    What exactly did Brosnan actually bring to the role?

    Interest I think. I remember being quite pleased at his casting because it felt like the series would now prosper. Dalton didn't have the appeal of Brosnan back then (which is why he was allowed to fall on his sword). Brozzer seemed perfect for the role, most people thought so. Everyone became interested in Bond again. In 1989 no one seemed bothered other than hard core fans.

    Of course opinions change, and I'm less enamoured of PB now. I sort of like quite a lot of his time as Bond, but on reflection he was no Connery or Moore.

    I think that Dalton just didn't excite audiences and as @NicNac says no one was too bothered when he was got rid off.

    Would the public have accepted Dalton in GE? Very difficult question to answer but the indications weren't very promising, particularly after the 6 year hiatus.

    But asking if the series being revived was down to Brosnan and he was the only one who could've done the job I'm not sure is true either.

    Fact 1: People didn't warm to Dalton.
    Fact 2: Brosnan was a popular choice for the role with the public.

    But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have come in and had similar popularity to Brosnan.

    I'm not even sure Dalton's unpopularity was the key factor here. It seems as though the public has just reached Bond fatigue by the 80s with the five 80s films bottom of the box office and delivering diminishing returns as the decade went on with only TLD earning more than its predecessor due no doubt to new Bond bounce.

    It could be argued that the 6 year gap was more fundamental than who was cast as long he did a competent job (and wasn't Dalton).

    Box office takings were down in the 1980s generally, not just the case with the Bonds.

    Hmm.

    Inflation adjusted:

    Batman - $545m
    Last Crusade - $427m
    Lethal Weapon 2 - $321m (for an R rated film)
    LTK - $75m

    Ok these are only domestic grosses (but domestic is what the studios base their decisions on) and LTK did reasonably internationally but it seems there were plenty of box office dollars out there in 89 if you give the audience something they want. Just doesnt seem like they wanted Dalts.

    Licence to Kill was No. 4 its opening weekend in the U.S. It finished behind Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. The only other "new" movie being released that weekend was a re-release of Bambi.
    It's terribly disappointing to read these stats and facts, especially given how the tables were turned (globally) in 2012, with SF beating the last installment of Nolan's Bat trilogy.

    I'm glad Bond is back on surer footing these days from a financial perspective.
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    I am not personally that bothered about the finances. As long as they make enough to make another one that's all I care about. Some of the best Bonds have been made on tighter budgets.
  • Posts: 1,092
    Looking at the adjusted list is always interesting. Craig has 2 of the top 4 and all of his films are in the top 11. They ain't letting him go without a massive fight. They will wait as long as it takes to get another one from him, especially when they present it as his last and hype it up after 3-4 years off. That will hit a billion guaranteed.
  • Posts: 11,425
    i think you are probably right. And I think he will find it hard to resist the cash as well. It's gonna be a mega bucks offer
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    I can't see EON promoting Craig's 25th film as his last.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,592
    I can't see EON promoting Craig's 25th film as his last.
    True, because the press will naturally be speculating who the next Bond will be regardless of whether or not it's Dan's final run.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Craig might do a 5th Bond, but I think 25 would be pushing it, even for Sir Rog.

    At his current rate, Craig would be in his nineties by the time he reached 25 films.
  • Posts: 1,985
    Like I said many many times before I really believe Craig is just waiting for a script and director before making a decision.

    That being said I still stand by that he will be doing Bond 25
  • Posts: 11,425
    Steve McQueen to direct!

    First black Bond director.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 2,081
    Getafix wrote: »
    I agree that Craig has been let down by poor writing and direction. For me the approach Mendes took with SF was a massive disappointment. I think Craig is a very good actor but not a great actor, as some people clAim. Once he's finished with Bond I think his career will take a very different, low key trajectory - he has not had much success outside of Bond tbh.

    I think (relatively) a low key trajectory could be expected for pretty much anyone after something as massive as Bond, plus Craig seems like the kind of actor who'd most likely go for that sort trajectory anyway. It's not an acting ability issue, it can be what kind of stuff an actor is most interested in. I don't know for sure about him, but looking at his other work and how exhausting and stressful some of the Bond stuff apparently has been for him, I would imagine he'd rather not continue doing that type of work after Bond, and would prefer smaller scale stuff.
    How good any actor is and how successful the movies they are in are box office -wise are of course two mostly unrelated things. I don't think success as an actor = box office.
    bondjames wrote: »
    The more I think about it, I think I may have preferred the film with a different actress playing Swann and a different actor playing Blofeld, even with the same script, dialogue & dull action sequencing. There is something about Seydoux's delivery which is off to me in many places, and Waltz is just too familiar to me and synonymous with Landa to really be credible in the less 'dramatic' role of Blofeld as written for SP.

    The same here. I wasn't happy with Seydoux and Waltz at all. Seydoux was passable, but unconvincing, Waltz was pretty awful.
    Szonana wrote: »
    I agree on the qualities the next Bond needs and its great we agree Bond does need the female audience.

    And even though the global reception has been great I don't think Bond is right now so popular with the ladies. The success is mostly because of boys and action fans, many women do like them but not all.

    With Pierce most women loved Bond or at least loved to watch Pierce as Bond. So a looker Bond would be fantastic.

    It's never gonna be "all" anyway, not even "most". Neither men nor women. A lot of people don't give a crap about Bond whoever the actor is. And whoever the actor is people will never agree on him anyway. I also disagree that all or most women would appreciate a Bond actor's looks above anything else, or that all or most women would have similar ideas about what counts as good looks.

    bondjames wrote: »
    Fair enough. I realize above that I didn't even mention looks. Rather, I mentioned height. So, for me the looks aren't all that important, but I can appreciate that the opposite sex could look at it differently. I insist that the Bond girl on the other hand meet my criteria for looks.

    Your criteria? You have specific criteria for looks? Oh. So clearly looks are very important for you, even if not the Bond actor's looks...
    Szonana wrote: »
    He was extremely good looking, definitely the most handosme in the traditional way. Craig sure had the better body but you show any woman both of them in their prime and all will tell you Pierce is the better looking guy.

    So if we got another greatest hits Bond would look like if we got the best trait of each. Pierce's face, Daniel Craig's Body, Sean Connery's attitude, Roger Moore's sense of humor, Lazenby's fighting skills and Dalton's intensity.

    I think you exaggerate this "any woman" and "all women" thing. Opinions vary, you know. I do agree with you that Brosnan was and is a good looking guy. However, I don't think he's more attractive than Craig. Two different things you often seem to treat as one. Maybe they are the same for you, but for many they are not. I also don't think Craig's body is his "best trait" at all - frankly I find that aspect of him pretty uninteresting.
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