Parts of Bond Movies that Don't Make Sense

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I went back and re-read the first page of this thread- particularly on why Bond suspected Mathis in Casino Royale
    Here's my take- and what I totally don't get:
    Bond actually explains it to Vesper on the beach, but he mumbles and it took a couple viewings for me to actually get what he even said.
    It was along the lines of 'remember when I told Mathis about Le Chiffre's 'tell'-- well Mathis told Le Chiffre.' (which is how Bond initially lost all his money)
    Later on Le Chiffre tells Bond 'I'm afraid your friend Mathis is really MY friend Mathis.'

    That much I got.
    Here's where it gets confusing for me:
    Then Quantum of Solace comes out and now Mathis was innocent? HOW? I mean, OK, I like the character, and I'd much rather have him as an ally than a villain, but how does it explain what unfolded in CR? Especially Le Chiffre's line to Bond?

    This is what was never explained-- unless I'm just really dense.

    If we go back to the novel CR. Bond and Vesper are eating dinner to celebrate. She receives a paper from "Mathis" telling her to meet. Bond suspects Vesper is in danger when it clicks in his head that Mathis would have a face-to-face meeting, and never use a piece of paper. He just didn't do things that way. So, lets relate this to the film. Bond suspects Mathis because possibly Mathis should've come to Vesper directly, face-to face for the meeting. They were all allied, so why not? This is the moment Bond realizes something is wrong. He runs to try and save Vesper. So, Mathis not coming to meet face-to-face could mean Mathis was working with Le Chiffre to draw out Vesper. Though he wasn't, this is initially what Bond may think. We go to QoS and Mathis is freed of charges(rather quickly). I still don't know how Mathis was proved not guilty. Just one of the many things QoS wanted us to apparently "think about ourselves". Either that or sloppy writing. Or both... AHHH THE HEAD!!! #-o
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited January 2012 Posts: 6,277
    I went back and re-read the first page of this thread- particularly on why Bond suspected Mathis in Casino Royale
    Here's my take- and what I totally don't get:
    Bond actually explains it to Vesper on the beach, but he mumbles and it took a couple viewings for me to actually get what he even said.
    It was along the lines of 'remember when I told Mathis about Le Chiffre's 'tell'-- well Mathis told Le Chiffre.' (which is how Bond initially lost all his money)
    Later on Le Chiffre tells Bond 'I'm afraid your friend Mathis is really MY friend Mathis.'

    That much I got.
    Here's where it gets confusing for me:
    Then Quantum of Solace comes out and now Mathis was innocent? HOW? I mean, OK, I like the character, and I'd much rather have him as an ally than a villain, but how does it explain what unfolded in CR? Especially Le Chiffre's line to Bond?

    This is what was never explained-- unless I'm just really dense.

    It's confusing. I read it as Le Chiffre wants to make Bond think Mathis is the traitor so that if Le Chiffre can't get the password out of Bond, Vesper can try as well. Or maybe it's just to take Bond's focus off Vesper (the same reason why she screams on the boat when she is not in danger).
  • edited January 2012 Posts: 1,778
    There's something about Tomorrow Never Dies that bothers me. M sends Bond to investigate a man whose wife he had an intimate relationship with before abruptly leaving her without so much as an explanation. Wouldn't it have crossed Bond's or M's minds that Paris would probably be resentful towards Bond and blow his banker cover not only to protect her husband but to gain some measure of revenge on Bond for hurting her? Yes Bond is the most charming man in the world and irresistable to women but it seems to me that M is far too careful and calculating to take such a chance. The mission could've been over minutes after Bond entered the party if Paris weren't so damn strange. I mean she slaps him one minute and then lies for him the next.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    In TND, when Bond and Wai Lin jumped off Carver's building, he says 'next time I'll use the elevator'... well the next time he was in a building was in Bilbao in TWINE, he still jumped off the building and didn't use the elevator... makes no sense...
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    In TND, when Bond and Wai Lin jumped off Carver's building, he says 'next time I'll use the elevator'... well the next time he was in a building was in Bilbao in TWINE, he still jumped off the building and didn't use the elevator... makes no sense...

    Maybe Bond goes on many assignments between the ones we see in the films. That way it does line up. Still rather silly to do it a second time anyway, though I suppose he had no choice.
  • Gerard wrote:
    Here's one from YOLT: We know that Blofeld's volcano can be accessed by the sea through a tunnel. However, that tunnel is protected by a deadly poison gas. So, how come nobody dies when Bond, Kissy, the ninjas and (presumably) the members of SPECTRE still alive escape the erupting volcano by that same tunnel ?


    your missing the more important fail.


    It took Bond and Kissy ALL day to get to the volcano. How the hell did she get back to the village and back again with Tanaka's Ninjas in such a short time??
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited January 2012 Posts: 4,399
    Samuel001 wrote:
    In TND, when Bond and Wai Lin jumped off Carver's building, he says 'next time I'll use the elevator'... well the next time he was in a building was in Bilbao in TWINE, he still jumped off the building and didn't use the elevator... makes no sense...

    Maybe Bond goes on many assignments between the ones we see in the films. That way it does line up. Still rather silly to do it a second time anyway, though I suppose he had no choice.

    he really had no choice in TWINE, because if you recall - after the banker was killed by cigar girl, he goes to the door - sees her runaway - and then from the bottom of the steps a lady yells in spanish "is everything okay?"... not long after the police are shown arriving outside.... so had Bond grabbed the money, then decided to try and leave the conventional way, he would've been arrested...

    the bigger question with TWINE (other than one i posed earlier).. is how did that small strap from the blinds, suddenly become long enough to lower Bond to the street - much less support his weight.

  • HASEROT wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    In TND, when Bond and Wai Lin jumped off Carver's building, he says 'next time I'll use the elevator'... well the next time he was in a building was in Bilbao in TWINE, he still jumped off the building and didn't use the elevator... makes no sense...

    Maybe Bond goes on many assignments between the ones we see in the films. That way it does line up. Still rather silly to do it a second time anyway, though I suppose he had no choice.

    he really had no choice in TWINE, because if you recall - after the banker was killed by cigar girl, he goes to the door - sees her runaway - and then from the bottom of the steps a lady yells in spanish "is everything okay?"... not long after the police are shown arriving outside.... so had Bond grabbed the money, then decided to try and leave the conventional way, he would've been arrested...

    the bigger question with TWINE (other than one i posed earlier).. is how did that small strap from the blinds, suddenly become long enough to lower Bond to the street - much less support his weight.

    If anyone else had used a flimsy blind cord along with the extra weight he was carrying it would have been curtains for them



    I'll get me coat
  • What about the boat flip with the anchor in QOS, Still bugs me
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    HASEROT wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    In TND, when Bond and Wai Lin jumped off Carver's building, he says 'next time I'll use the elevator'... well the next time he was in a building was in Bilbao in TWINE, he still jumped off the building and didn't use the elevator... makes no sense...

    Maybe Bond goes on many assignments between the ones we see in the films. That way it does line up. Still rather silly to do it a second time anyway, though I suppose he had no choice.

    he really had no choice in TWINE, because if you recall - after the banker was killed by cigar girl, he goes to the door - sees her runaway - and then from the bottom of the steps a lady yells in spanish "is everything okay?"... not long after the police are shown arriving outside.... so had Bond grabbed the money, then decided to try and leave the conventional way, he would've been arrested...

    the bigger question with TWINE (other than one i posed earlier).. is how did that small strap from the blinds, suddenly become long enough to lower Bond to the street - much less support his weight.

    If anyone else had used a flimsy blind cord along with the extra weight he was carrying it would have been curtains for them



    I'll get me coat

    what makes it even more hilarious, is how different it looks from when he pulls it from the blind, to when he starts to tie it to the knocked out guard's belt.... it's like they didn't even try to hide it lol..
  • edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    How did 006 survive a bullet to the head in GE. I assumed that trevalyn and the general had hired chuck norris to wear a mask and take 006's place while bond wasn't looking.

    Hahaha that's hilarious. At first I assumed it was a blank but then only seconds later he shoots and kills a guard (pretty sure even in Russia he'd get in alot of trouble for that) with the same gun that he never changed or reloaded. The whole PTS is one giant plothole. Trevelyn's scheme to appear dead makes no sense as Bond could've very easily been killed in the ensuing chase. But I suppose Trevelyn and Orumov figured Bond would slide down the converyer belt, avoid hundreds of bullets, and then catch a plane in mid-air.

    Haphazardstuff pointed out a much more sensible alternative. Why didn't Trevelyn just shoot Bond while he wasn't expecting it instead of putting his own life in danger in a gunfight and then blowing up the compound that resulted in his scaring. Bond would've been dead, Trevelyn never would've been seen or heard from again, and MI6 would've naturally assumed that the two agents were caught and killed during the mission.

    I think Haphazard was overthinking things in that review. It's called suspension of disbelief. I assumed they would stage Trevelyan's death, capture Bond, release him later back to Mi6 (presumably after torturing or interrogating him) where he can confirm Alec is "dead".

    Yes it's contrived but its called suspension of disbelief and there's the whole "the villian could have just shot Bond but chose an overly elaborate method instead" situation. I've never been bothered by it and its silly to pick it apart like HH did.

    In regard to the avoiding hundreds of bullets and catching a plane in mid-air, what about in the Dr No book where he avoids death traps, falls down a cliff and then battles a giant squid? Pretty proposterous also don't you think but no one batters an eye-lid at that.
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    What about the boat flip with the anchor in QOS, Still bugs me

    Yeah, I never understood this either. It could probably happen, but I don't see how it worked in the movie. Then again, the lightning-fast editing of QoS makes you miss a bunch of things!
  • edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
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    00Beast wrote:
    What about the boat flip with the anchor in QOS, Still bugs me

    Yeah, I never understood this either. It could probably happen, but I don't see how it worked in the movie. Then again, the lightning-fast editing of QoS makes you miss a bunch of things!

    I think that boat chase is a strong candidate for "worst action scene in a Bond film" and that includes some of the stuff in DAD. At least with DAD you could see what was going on.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I think that boa
    00Beast wrote:
    What about the boat flip with the anchor in QOS, Still bugs me

    Yeah, I never understood this either. It could probably happen, but I don't see how it worked in the movie. Then again, the lightning-fast editing of QoS makes you miss a bunch of things!

    I think that boat chase is a strong candidate for "worst action scene in a Bond film" and that includes some of the stuff in DAD. At least with DAD you could see what was going on.

    That's true. I hope that SkyFall will return to actual camera-editing work and stop trying to copy the modern day spy movies, which hold no weight when compared to JAMES BOND 007!
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    The Bourne films could carry it off because the story had a "jittery", "paronoid" feel. With Quantum it doesn't work.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    The Bourne films could carry it off because the story had a "jittery", "paronoid" feel. With Quantum it doesn't work.

    Yeah, it never works when you try to incorporate elements of other movies into a series that doesn't need to feel "equal" with the other movies of the day. Like Moonraker, trying to cash in on Star Wars just doesn't work. Star Wars never needed to use other movie elements to get ratings up, so neither should the Bond series, considering by the time SW was released Bond already had 10 movies!
  • MWTGG - travelling to Beruit to get the golden bullet from the belly dancer when MI6 already had a golden bullet "sent" by Scaramanga.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    MWTGG - travelling to Beruit to get the golden bullet from the belly dancer when MI6 already had a golden bullet "sent" by Scaramanga.

    Another one from that film. How did M know Scaramanga's phone number, at the end, so he could call Bond?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    MWTGG - travelling to Beruit to get the golden bullet from the belly dancer when MI6 already had a golden bullet "sent" by Scaramanga.

    Another one from that film. How did M know Scaramanga's phone number, at the end, so he could call Bond?

    I'd guess there were already tracking devices in 1974... satellites too.

  • In Thunderball, M sends Bond to Nassau because of one photograph of Duval and Domini together. Very flimsy link.
  • edited January 2012 Posts: 774
    In Thunderball, M sends Bond to Nassau because of one photograph of Duval and Domini together. Very flimsy link.

    Ah, but his original assignment was for Canada. The only basis they had for sending any of the 00's anywhere was where they thought it might be possible to land the Vulcan. A picture is far better than the educated guess they had previously.
  • Fortunately the photo wasn't one of Duvall and his other sister Dona who owned a chip shop in Aberdeen - or James would be off to the Granite City and Spectre would have got all the dosh:-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Virage wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Although GE is my favorite, the entire PTS has always had a bunch of plotholes: Trevelyan not being killed with the gunshot, the location of the runway in regards to the dam he jumped from, and how a falling man manages to catch up to a fallinghelicopter.
    It was a PLANE

    I'm aware; my mistake. Relax.

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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Virage wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Although GE is my favorite, the entire PTS has always had a bunch of plotholes: Trevelyan not being killed with the gunshot, the location of the runway in regards to the dam he jumped from, and how a falling man manages to catch up to a fallinghelicopter.
    It was a PLANE

    I'm aware; my mistake. Relax.

    Ah, there he is! Back again! Hello Creasy, good to see you!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Good to see you, too, my friend!

    And trust me, @Virage, I would know what it is. Not sure what mindset I was in that caused me to state it was a helicopter, but a huge error on my part, nonetheless.
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    How did the paper used for the message Bond got at the start TSWLM fit in the watch?
  • I think it was perfectly feasible, even back in 1977

    Also from the same film, how did a fish get into the submarine car that Bach and Moore emerge from the sea in, not really possible if you think about it
  • In TWINE, Bond shoots Elektra as she's talking to Renard on the mic. But he acts surprised when Bond tells him she's dead. Wouldn't he have assumed since he heard a gunshot and she stopped talking?
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    In TWINE, Bond shoots Elektra as she's talking to Renard on the mic. But he acts surprised when Bond tells him she's dead. Wouldn't he have assumed since he heard a gunshot and she stopped talking?

    Oh wow, I've never thought of this before. Nice observation! I always assumed that she switched it off, and she did, but I just remembered that she switched it BACK on again to tell Renard to dive, and then Bond killed her.
  • CALL 'EM OFF!, I remember back when I first saw it I was a little surprised to see Bond shoot a woman in cold blood like that, it certainly wasn't something I would of expected from Brosnan at the time. I like it when Brosnan gets angry in his films, they always offer some unintentional humor I usually find
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