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Voldemort could be the GOPs candidate for president, and all the deplorables would still stand behind. That is the sad truth. And yes, deplorable is what they are. They don't care about facts or politics, its all an ideological war on the devilish Democrats...
And while they swallow all the lies of the Republican propaganda machine, they blame the media for being left wing. It's insane.
The Republican party is the biggest threat to America. It is about time people realize that.
The USA is a stunnng place, I have been lucky enought to tour around the country twice (train and greyhound bus). I met some wonderful (and not so wonderful people) and saw many amazing things.
But it does seem to be going down the pan pretty quickly. You dont have to have that bigger an imagination to see how a civil war would start.
Social division, poverty, racism within law enforcement, a selection of pretty dreadful politicains, guns onni-present and the afformentioned stupidity. Its not a very good combination.
You can only wonder what great minds such as Thomas Paine or Mark Twain would make of it. I suspect, they would weep.
I can't hazard a guess re: Tom Paine, but Mark Twain would be having a field day. Satire flourishes in fields of BS such as we've been given this go-round.
For about a decade now, I have been the proud owner of a red-white-&-blue bumper sticker that reads, "Republicans for Voldemort." No brag, just fact.
I agree @patb. I think me only question would be: how do we define/quanitify the "stupidity" of which we're discussing? Or are we talking about ignorance?
After those four years the Republicans would be out of the White House for at least three decades, that alone would be worth it.
Unless the Reps actually would reform their party, but it'll sooner snow in Texas in July I guess.
They are all part of the problem and they are all part of the solution.
What is required are practical solutions based on compromise, discussion and 'give and take'. Not ideology. Trump has raised some extremely valid points about the state of play, as has Sanders. What is ironic and somewhat regrettable is that these issues are being brushed under the carpet in order to maintain the current order which benefits a few.
It is a severe mistake to blame everything on the Republicans. The Democratic party as it currently stands is as much to blame for the current mess in the US as are the Republicans.
When one has the sitting president using his bully pulpit to lambast and denigrate members of Congress for supporting the Republican nominee for president (as he did yesterday), he is not helping matters. A far cry from 'hope and change'.
Fortunately, this does not seem to have afflicted Britain yet (the last debates I watched in detail were during the 2010 elections, and they were superb - a far cry from the childish & unspecific rubbish which we have seen in the US over the past 3 or 4 electoral cycles).
You are correct that the 'ignorance' of the population plays into it. People just aren't all that interested in learning about the issues. So everything becomes personality, sensationalism or fear driven.
Given the crisis the US is in at the moment, technocrats are exactly what is required (just like what was needed in Italy some years back).
Bye for now ... ;)
I think you forget many important things here. While Trump has raised some valid points during the primary season right until the conventions, he himself is at the same time the reason complicated issues and ideas to solve problems weren't discussed.
In all honesty, when I started posting in here, I posted things about the issues, I posted images of where both candidates stand with solutions and ideas, and I posted links to sites like https://www.isidewith.com/polls. You mostly ignored to go 'into the deep' about these issues. It took me a very long time to discover that you, as a businessman/worker, are frequently travelling between your stay in Canada and your place in the USA.
Why is that important? Because our personal lives are influenced by what will be decided in Washington DC. So if you want to talk about the issues, then actually TALK about them. Sadly, you blame others for derailing good debates about the issues, when actually populists like Trump blatantly ignore to talk about the complexities and solutions of our society. And instead, at the start of this election cycle, you kept focusing on the person instead of the issues. You kept seeing Trump as the better alternative than Clinton, despite the fact he has now seriously turned into a cat being forced in a corner.
At least Hillary has shown true decency by admitting a loss gracefully, like she did during the 2008 primaries.
I agree with you that it's not one of the two parties that should be blamed for all the problems we have. That's why on several occasions I said we are all responsible for the mess we are in: Democrats, Republicans, independents, bankers, farmers, industrial workers, housewives, philosophers, oil barons, firefighters, policemen, mums, dads, everyone. We all have the responsibility to be careful with our finances. We all have the possibility to not sign a mortgage contract. We all choose elected officials to make laws that continue to derail our financial/capitalist system. We all can be more self-critical and empower ourselves first, before seeing the devil in either Hillary or Trump.
So as long as we fail to be self-critical and come up with solutions from the ground-up, starting here in this topic, then we continue poisoning our own democracies.
Yes, Trump is for a large part a result of all the mess. But make no mistake, there comes a time that even Trump has to become serious on issues. He didn't. His campaign severely imploded after 'pussygate', and for a large part he himself is to blame for that.
Trump has raised some extreme valid points yes, but sadly with narcissist populists like Trump it will only stay at these 'valid points' and they won't be translated into complex policies and solutions to problems. Mr Trump himself had the chance to change that, but in the past two weeks he showed his true self.
Lastly, like Michelle Obama said yesterday, there's also something like 'human decency'. Mr Trump has proven in the past two weeks that he hasn't got that. So what do you do? Stay silent on that? You accuse president Obama of 'denigrating' Republicans. Again, his verbal style is a perfect example of addressing core values about human decency. That's a far cry from this:
https://politicalwire.com/2016/10/14/trumps-heated-rhetoric-has-no-precedent/
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-vitriol-229819
And you keep ignoring that @BondJames. When I hear you talking I generally hear one big giant appeasement speech towards Mr Trump. I know established elected public officials can do no good in your eyes, but if there's someone spewing fear and hate at this very moment, then it's not Baracak Obama, Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. Then it's certainly Mr Trump.
As long as we ignore that, sooner or later we elect another Mussolini, Mugabe, Duterte, Pinochet, Maduro, Zhirinovsky or Putin. Rude comparisons? I think not. They are very valid comparisons. This election isn't a sham, like Trump said. It has now become a true democratic election about human decency. And Trump may well have caused that himself in the past two weeks.
And the issues? Go to https://www.isidewith.com/polls. I strongly recommend everyone in here to have a look at it.
My last post actually summarizes this entire thread and its quality.
My, my. A little full of ourselves today, aren't we? You and you alone know exactly what is required. You and you alone can summarize the entire 141 pages of this dialogue in 4 short paragraphs. Amazing!
As far off of understanding your views as @Gustav may or may not be, he's correct on one essential point: you've been supporting Trump throughout most of this thread's existence. If Gustav and I and everybody else reading this thread misunderstands your point, then maybe it's because you've been trying to straddle the issue like some sort of (dare I say it?) politician. You've finally given up on believing that he has any chance of winning the presidency, but I have yet to hear you state that he would be a bad choice for the office.
@bondjames: "When one has the sitting president using his bully pulpit to lambast and denigrate members of Congress for supporting the Republican nominee for president (as he did yesterday), he is not helping matters." Sometimes, my friend...sometimes you miss the point so startlingly I wonder if it's intentional. The Republicans of Congress from the very beginning of Obama's tenure as president made it a point to try and make his presidency a failure. In that, they themselves failed utterly. At this point in time, it's a little late for President Obama and the Republicans of Congress to kiss & make up...so all that's left for Obama to do is to help the Democratic party take the reins of power in Washington as completely as possible, so that the next incoming President can actually try to get something done on behalf of the American people. Scant chance of that, of course -- the Republican party has made it clear that they'll be doing everything they can to find something, anything, to hang Hillary over, so we're likely to be seeing four (or maybe eight) more years of the same old gridlock. Still, it's only natural for Obama to want to rub the Republicans' noses into the awful offal that they've laid before the American public in the form of a presidential nominee.
You can't make this shit up. The level of self-parody is too high!
Just today?