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Very good apart from #2 n #4 ...especially number 4 .....anyway arnt you on 'Bond . ..comments while you watch duty' ?
Doesnt it always ? amazing what playing a round of golf and sitting in your arse in a cell can to when rumours spread that this is 'the ' Bond film...
2. Twine C2000-19yr
3. Tmnd C1997-17yr
4. Fyeo
5. Avtak
6. Ohmss
7. Lald
8. Frwl
9. Tld
16. QOS C2008-28yr
[17. Dr. No
18. Goldfinger
19. Moonraker
20. Die Another Day C2003-22yr
21. Casino Royale C2007-26yr
22. Skyfall C2012-32yr
23. Thunderball
Notrated: Spectre C2015-35yr
Have seen last 8 movies in the cinema in year and my real age set after the movie.
Thanks by the way for your rankings as well @w2bond :-). It does give us a better idea where certain Bond films stand as of now.....especially quality-wise :-). Our topics could also create some more understanding and awareness between each of our opinions and personal tastes. No need to attack one another's personal opinion (general message), because in the end the average ranking speaks for itself :-). The adage "Let's agree to disagree" should fully count here. Thanks again @w2bond
But that's not what's at stake here dear @IncompetentHenchman :-). In the end people vote for the complete 'total package', the complete movie experience....as opposed to certain elements of a film we're zooming in on. Having said that, apperently TLD is the 6th best Bond 'total package/movie experience' :-).
There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.
But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.
^ this. TLD has inconsistencies but the whole package is so damn good. (The TLD jail scene doesn't fit the tone, but is oh so satisfying)
Other films may not rub us the right way so we will be overly critical
You just answered it.
LTK is also great but the vibe I get is not very Bondian, and a lot of that comes down to the score
Yes it's interesting to gauge the general opinion on the films, from forum members vs the general public. The big picture.
But it's also fascinating to hear from those whose opinions differ from most. Or, even if a person's ranking matches with the majority, the reason for liking a film will differ from person to person
I really like your personal opinion @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-).
But again, I think the general 'average' opinion still favors TLD over LTK. Why? I think it's still a pretty 'old' argument within the Bond fan community:
While LTK is emotionally rich and dramatic, the film feels too 'blunt', too 'American' at times. Rude and cruel fight sequences are not intersected with some suave British one liners, a white dinner jacket, a lush jetset audience watching Bond behind a casino table, naughty inuendo between Moneypenny and Bond or a villain that tortures with a button instead of bluntly blowing up a skull.
That's why movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and indeed TLD feel more 'Bond-ian'. Add to that action sequences that are more memorable thanks to pumped-up, yet melodical music scores, and you simply recall these films better than LTK.
Movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and TLD incorporated this delicate balance between British, sometimes slightly bizarre suaveness and a more full-blown cold-hearted 'American' realism. The compass needle of LTK tilts too much too grittiness and dirty 'American' violence. To an extend this goes for QOS as well.
well said. I gues that's it ... Watching LTK or QoS, I always get the impression that they try to copy some American action movie that was popular at the time. In LTK it is pretty obvious that they try to benefit from the popularity of films such as Die hard, Lethal Weapon or Miami Vice whereas QoS largely copies from the Bourne films. TLD feels much more Bondian and original in the way it was done. Currently it is my No 1 and I am happy that it ended up so high in this poll.
I agree entirely. I like TLD, but it's not half the film LTK is.
The rest of the TOP 10 so far is very worthy as well. With the 'fan favourite' of the Moore-era included, TSWLM, the much loved first picture of Brosnan, GE, perhaps Connery's most suave and emotionally rich performance in TB and off course the exotic, yet slightly bizarre detective/spy work in DN. All of these summarize the 'Best of Bond' in memorable cinematic experiences. All other films placed 11th and lower slightly 'miss the point' with this 'Delicate Balance of Bond-ishness'....and miss it more when we go down the list in descending order.
I agree however, I think that especially FYEO also has that combination and I was a bit shocked seeing it ending up outside the top10...
Hmmm, I actually agree. Perhaps it's heavy competition? I mean, both in @w2bond 's general TOP 24 ranking and in this poll FYEO comes in at 13th place.
Perhaps SP is to blame, as the newest Bond film is mostly seen as a better film than QOS. And that film has this delicate balance as well. And while LTK is perhaps less of a 'typical' Bond film, solely as a film without the Bond tag it's still quite good.
Then FYEO itself perhaps has some slight flaws. While it's certainly Moore's most Fleming-esque attempt of portraying a more 'blunt instrument', the John Glen-esque 'cheesy comedy' makes the film feeel a bit uneven at times. Biby, 'a nose, not a banana', adds to that imbalance perhaps.
Exactly my thoughts. The idea behind the whole thing is noble, but it fails to put that into work. It's all a bit forgettable.
Actually for some reason I quite like it
SF will undoubtedly be next.
I have heard many people complain about this element in FYEO. But I have never understood why it should be inconsistent. I don't think that Bond's lines in the hotel are supposed to be a ethical but should rather convince Melina not to bring herself into serious danger.
Bond himself kills people. He is an experienced agent and a professional killer. Other people also aim to kill him. So whether he kills Loque or Blofeld for revenge or because these are just villains who should be eliminated by him does not matter. That does not mean that he enjoys killing other people. It is his job.
However, Melina is no spy and she is not a professional killer. The Chinese saying Bond quotes means that if you once start going for revenge, the killing of people will never end. Therefore in order to protect your own life and that of your friends and family you should break the circle of revenge.
Bond also knows that killing other people will probably ruin your own life. He simply may protect Melina from this experience.
There is nothing at all inconsistent with that, in my opinion it is one of the best written character developments for Moore Bond.
Yes, Barry went out with a bang with the Bond franchise. The TLD-score is simply stunning.