BOND POLLS 2016: The Top 10 JAMES BOND-007 Film Ranking Contest (Results: winner!, on page 60)

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  • edited October 2016 Posts: 19,339
    There are some films that whenever I watch them I feel and think, ok, now, that's the best one, definitely, yes, obviously, I have to put it on No 1 spot in my ranking, now.

    FRWL
    GF
    OHMSS
    TLD
    GE

    it only shows they all are perfect in their own way and it's incredibly difficult to fmake a ranking of 24 movies when practically half of them should be somewhere on top.

    Very good apart from #2 n #4 ...especially number 4 .....anyway arnt you on 'Bond . ..comments while you watch duty' ?

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    Birdleson wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Agreed, although you and I are most certainly in the minority on that front. GF is lauded here.

    That is a fairly new development. When I first came on here almost three years ago (and the few years I was just reading posts before that) GF was regularly derided. I found myself defending it frequently. It came in 10 or 11 in the first elimination game that I was here for.

    Really ? whenever i have been here in the past 9-10 years it has been a pain in the arse ..but i did have a hiatus about the time you mentioned @Birdleson so i will take your word for it.

    SF is the only film that can knock the over-rated GF off 4th spot ..we can but hope.Put it this way,SF got quite high on my score and GF got jack-shit...

    There seemed to be some fan backlash against the general popularity of both GE and GF at that time. GF has seemed to have made a comeback over the past year.


    Doesnt it always ? amazing what playing a round of golf and sitting in your arse in a cell can to when rumours spread that this is 'the ' Bond film...

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    I also noticed around the time I first got here a lot of members were very vocal in voicing dislike for GF. Surprised me. A few I think still don't care for it, but it is what it is. Their loss ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    When I was down on SP from the start (hard to believe that I was virtually alone then) I was attacked mercilessly. Insulted. It was ridiculous.
    I recall it vividly. I received some attacks from a few members in particular here as well, but nothing like what was leveled at you.
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    I remember all right. Totally ridiculous. I think I fought with those trolling @Birdleson a couple times.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,521
    1. Goldeneye C1995-15yr
    2. Twine C2000-19yr
    3. Tmnd C1997-17yr
    4. Fyeo
    5. Avtak

    6. Ohmss
    7. Lald
    8. Frwl
    9. Tld

    16. QOS C2008-28yr
    [17. Dr. No
    18. Goldfinger
    19. Moonraker
    20. Die Another Day
    C2003-22yr
    21. Casino Royale C2007-26yr
    22. Skyfall C2012-32yr
    23. Thunderball
    Notrated: Spectre C2015-35yr

    Have seen last 8 movies in the cinema in year and my real age set after the movie.
  • Posts: 11,119
    w2bond wrote: »
    There has been some talk in here that casting a TOP 10 causes bigger discrepancies when compared with forum member's TOP 24's (or TOP 26).

    Hence I found it pivotal to compare the totals given by @w2bond in the topic 'Bond movie ranking (simple list, no details)' on page 123........with the results so far in this topic. I guess @w2bond only looked at the most recently actualized rankings, and only those of unique voters. Here's the comparison:

    AtDlXyJ.jpg

    I have to conclude that the rankings are strikingly similar. The change in spots you'll find on the right. It represents the change in this topic as compared to the generic Bond ranking topic. Except for TWINE and TMWTGG, not much changes (Also in the other topic, with TOP 24 ranking, TWINE continues to polarize from page 123 and onwards).

    Bond films like LALD and QOS are still considered 'average' at best. And surprisingly, part of the mid table scorings, 10th place until 15th place, are identical. OP is considered Moore's 3rd best Bond film in both rankings.

    It also seems that TSWLM and GE will continue to struggle entering the TOP 5 of 'Best Bond Films'. TLD is considered Dalton's best film, without a doubt.

    Just like I thought. Despite the vocal minority on certain films, general sentiment remains the same

    Thanks by the way for your rankings as well @w2bond :-). It does give us a better idea where certain Bond films stand as of now.....especially quality-wise :-). Our topics could also create some more understanding and awareness between each of our opinions and personal tastes. No need to attack one another's personal opinion (general message), because in the end the average ranking speaks for itself :-). The adage "Let's agree to disagree" should fully count here. Thanks again @w2bond
  • I love TLD, but I don't see how it is even possible to defend that Afghanistan jail scene...
  • Posts: 11,119
    I love TLD, but I don't see how it is even possible to defend that Afghanistan jail scene...

    But that's not what's at stake here dear @IncompetentHenchman :-). In the end people vote for the complete 'total package', the complete movie experience....as opposed to certain elements of a film we're zooming in on. Having said that, apperently TLD is the 6th best Bond 'total package/movie experience' :-).
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    I love TLD, but I don't see how it is even possible to defend that Afghanistan jail scene...

    But that's not what's at stake here dear @IncompetentHenchman :-). In the end people vote for the complete 'total package', the complete movie experience....as opposed to certain elements of a film we're zooming in on. Having said that, apperently TLD is the 6th best Bond 'total package/movie experience' :-).

    ^ this. TLD has inconsistencies but the whole package is so damn good. (The TLD jail scene doesn't fit the tone, but is oh so satisfying)

    Other films may not rub us the right way so we will be overly critical


  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    You just answered it.

    LTK is also great but the vibe I get is not very Bondian, and a lot of that comes down to the score


  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    w2bond wrote: »
    There has been some talk in here that casting a TOP 10 causes bigger discrepancies when compared with forum member's TOP 24's (or TOP 26).

    Hence I found it pivotal to compare the totals given by @w2bond in the topic 'Bond movie ranking (simple list, no details)' on page 123........with the results so far in this topic. I guess @w2bond only looked at the most recently actualized rankings, and only those of unique voters. Here's the comparison:

    AtDlXyJ.jpg

    I have to conclude that the rankings are strikingly similar. The change in spots you'll find on the right. It represents the change in this topic as compared to the generic Bond ranking topic. Except for TWINE and TMWTGG, not much changes (Also in the other topic, with TOP 24 ranking, TWINE continues to polarize from page 123 and onwards).

    Bond films like LALD and QOS are still considered 'average' at best. And surprisingly, part of the mid table scorings, 10th place until 15th place, are identical. OP is considered Moore's 3rd best Bond film in both rankings.

    It also seems that TSWLM and GE will continue to struggle entering the TOP 5 of 'Best Bond Films'. TLD is considered Dalton's best film, without a doubt.

    Just like I thought. Despite the vocal minority on certain films, general sentiment remains the same

    Thanks by the way for your rankings as well @w2bond :-). It does give us a better idea where certain Bond films stand as of now.....especially quality-wise :-). Our topics could also create some more understanding and awareness between each of our opinions and personal tastes. No need to attack one another's personal opinion (general message), because in the end the average ranking speaks for itself :-). The adage "Let's agree to disagree" should fully count here. Thanks again @w2bond

    Yes it's interesting to gauge the general opinion on the films, from forum members vs the general public. The big picture.

    But it's also fascinating to hear from those whose opinions differ from most. Or, even if a person's ranking matches with the majority, the reason for liking a film will differ from person to person


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    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.

    I really like your personal opinion @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-).

    But again, I think the general 'average' opinion still favors TLD over LTK. Why? I think it's still a pretty 'old' argument within the Bond fan community:

    While LTK is emotionally rich and dramatic, the film feels too 'blunt', too 'American' at times. Rude and cruel fight sequences are not intersected with some suave British one liners, a white dinner jacket, a lush jetset audience watching Bond behind a casino table, naughty inuendo between Moneypenny and Bond or a villain that tortures with a button instead of bluntly blowing up a skull.

    That's why movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and indeed TLD feel more 'Bond-ian'. Add to that action sequences that are more memorable thanks to pumped-up, yet melodical music scores, and you simply recall these films better than LTK.

    Movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and TLD incorporated this delicate balance between British, sometimes slightly bizarre suaveness and a more full-blown cold-hearted 'American' realism. The compass needle of LTK tilts too much too grittiness and dirty 'American' violence. To an extend this goes for QOS as well.
  • GBFGBF
    edited October 2016 Posts: 3,197
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.

    I really like your personal opinion @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-).

    But again, I think the general 'average' opinion still favors TLD over LTK. Why? I think it's still a pretty 'old' argument within the Bond fan community:

    While LTK is emotionally rich and dramatic, the film feels too 'blunt', too 'American' at times. Rude and cruel fight sequences are not intersected with some suave British one liners, a white dinner jacket, a lush jetset audience watching Bond behind a casino table, naughty inuendo between Moneypenny and Bond or a villain that tortures with a button instead of bluntly blowing up a skull.

    That's why movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and indeed TLD feel more 'Bond-ian'. Add to that action sequences that are more memorable thanks to pumped-up, yet melodical music scores, and you simply recall these films better than LTK.

    Movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and TLD incorporated this delicate balance between British, sometimes slightly bizarre suaveness and a more full-blown cold-hearted 'American' realism. The compass needle of LTK tilts too much too grittiness and dirty 'American' violence. To an extend this goes for QOS as well.

    well said. I gues that's it ... Watching LTK or QoS, I always get the impression that they try to copy some American action movie that was popular at the time. In LTK it is pretty obvious that they try to benefit from the popularity of films such as Die hard, Lethal Weapon or Miami Vice whereas QoS largely copies from the Bourne films. TLD feels much more Bondian and original in the way it was done. Currently it is my No 1 and I am happy that it ended up so high in this poll.
  • HellerHeller London
    Posts: 29
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.

    I agree entirely. I like TLD, but it's not half the film LTK is.

  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    GBF wrote: »
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.

    I really like your personal opinion @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-).

    But again, I think the general 'average' opinion still favors TLD over LTK. Why? I think it's still a pretty 'old' argument within the Bond fan community:

    While LTK is emotionally rich and dramatic, the film feels too 'blunt', too 'American' at times. Rude and cruel fight sequences are not intersected with some suave British one liners, a white dinner jacket, a lush jetset audience watching Bond behind a casino table, naughty inuendo between Moneypenny and Bond or a villain that tortures with a button instead of bluntly blowing up a skull.

    That's why movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and indeed TLD feel more 'Bond-ian'. Add to that action sequences that are more memorable thanks to pumped-up, yet melodical music scores, and you simply recall these films better than LTK.

    Movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and TLD incorporated this delicate balance between British, sometimes slightly bizarre suaveness and a more full-blown cold-hearted 'American' realism. The compass needle of LTK tilts too much too grittiness and dirty 'American' violence. To an extend this goes for QOS as well.

    well said. I gues that's it ... Watching LTK or QoS, I always get the impression that they try to copy some American action movie that was popular at the time. In LTK it is pretty obvious that they try to benefit from the popularity of films such as Die hard, Lethal Weapon or Miami Vice whereas QoS largely copies from the Bourne films. TLD feels much more Bondian and original in the way it was done. Currently it is my No 1 and I am happy that it ended up so high in this poll.

    The rest of the TOP 10 so far is very worthy as well. With the 'fan favourite' of the Moore-era included, TSWLM, the much loved first picture of Brosnan, GE, perhaps Connery's most suave and emotionally rich performance in TB and off course the exotic, yet slightly bizarre detective/spy work in DN. All of these summarize the 'Best of Bond' in memorable cinematic experiences. All other films placed 11th and lower slightly 'miss the point' with this 'Delicate Balance of Bond-ishness'....and miss it more when we go down the list in descending order.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,139
    I love them both for different reasons. For me my favourite film of each actor is pretty much set in stone (FRWL, OHMSS, TMWTGG, GE, CR), but with Dalton I still can't pick a clear favourite.
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 3,197
    GBF wrote: »
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.

    I really like your personal opinion @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-).

    But again, I think the general 'average' opinion still favors TLD over LTK. Why? I think it's still a pretty 'old' argument within the Bond fan community:

    While LTK is emotionally rich and dramatic, the film feels too 'blunt', too 'American' at times. Rude and cruel fight sequences are not intersected with some suave British one liners, a white dinner jacket, a lush jetset audience watching Bond behind a casino table, naughty inuendo between Moneypenny and Bond or a villain that tortures with a button instead of bluntly blowing up a skull.

    That's why movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and indeed TLD feel more 'Bond-ian'. Add to that action sequences that are more memorable thanks to pumped-up, yet melodical music scores, and you simply recall these films better than LTK.

    Movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and TLD incorporated this delicate balance between British, sometimes slightly bizarre suaveness and a more full-blown cold-hearted 'American' realism. The compass needle of LTK tilts too much too grittiness and dirty 'American' violence. To an extend this goes for QOS as well.

    well said. I gues that's it ... Watching LTK or QoS, I always get the impression that they try to copy some American action movie that was popular at the time. In LTK it is pretty obvious that they try to benefit from the popularity of films such as Die hard, Lethal Weapon or Miami Vice whereas QoS largely copies from the Bourne films. TLD feels much more Bondian and original in the way it was done. Currently it is my No 1 and I am happy that it ended up so high in this poll.

    The rest of the TOP 10 so far is very worthy as well. With the 'fan favourite' of the Moore-era included, TSWLM, the much loved first picture of Brosnan, GE, perhaps Connery's most suave and emotionally rich performance in TB and off course the exotic, yet slightly bizarre detective/spy work in DN. All of these summarize the 'Best of Bond' in memorable cinematic experiences. All other films placed 11th and lower slightly 'miss the point' with this 'Delicate Balance of Bond-ishness'....and miss it more when we go down the list in descending order.

    I agree however, I think that especially FYEO also has that combination and I was a bit shocked seeing it ending up outside the top10...
  • Posts: 11,119
    GBF wrote: »
    GBF wrote: »
    I love Dalton, but the favor with TLD over LTK is puzzling. Better Bond girl, leagues better villain, more interesting Bond and performance, better allies, including some of the greatest Q content ever in a Bond film and some amazing action, to say the least.

    There's a lot of great stuff in TLD, like the PTS, the Czechoslovakia mission and the later scenes afterward with Dalton mouthing Fleming's dialogue, Pushkin and the fake assassination, which felt very Bondian, and the plane sequence/fight and what leads up to it.

    But for me, TLD never makes me "feel it" like LTK does when Bond walks into Felix and Della's home and finds the tragedy there that recalls his own past failed marriage. LTK's Bond is a great precursor to Dan's tenure, where Bond feels like a living breathing person in a big way. Connery was so alpha he often felt so much better than everyone, while Dalton's everyman feeling made it impossible for him to present himself that way, leading to a more human and intimate Bond performance where there's no star power to overwhelm anything he does.

    I really like your personal opinion @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-).

    But again, I think the general 'average' opinion still favors TLD over LTK. Why? I think it's still a pretty 'old' argument within the Bond fan community:

    While LTK is emotionally rich and dramatic, the film feels too 'blunt', too 'American' at times. Rude and cruel fight sequences are not intersected with some suave British one liners, a white dinner jacket, a lush jetset audience watching Bond behind a casino table, naughty inuendo between Moneypenny and Bond or a villain that tortures with a button instead of bluntly blowing up a skull.

    That's why movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and indeed TLD feel more 'Bond-ian'. Add to that action sequences that are more memorable thanks to pumped-up, yet melodical music scores, and you simply recall these films better than LTK.

    Movies like CR, GF, OHMSS, FRWL, SF and TLD incorporated this delicate balance between British, sometimes slightly bizarre suaveness and a more full-blown cold-hearted 'American' realism. The compass needle of LTK tilts too much too grittiness and dirty 'American' violence. To an extend this goes for QOS as well.

    well said. I gues that's it ... Watching LTK or QoS, I always get the impression that they try to copy some American action movie that was popular at the time. In LTK it is pretty obvious that they try to benefit from the popularity of films such as Die hard, Lethal Weapon or Miami Vice whereas QoS largely copies from the Bourne films. TLD feels much more Bondian and original in the way it was done. Currently it is my No 1 and I am happy that it ended up so high in this poll.

    The rest of the TOP 10 so far is very worthy as well. With the 'fan favourite' of the Moore-era included, TSWLM, the much loved first picture of Brosnan, GE, perhaps Connery's most suave and emotionally rich performance in TB and off course the exotic, yet slightly bizarre detective/spy work in DN. All of these summarize the 'Best of Bond' in memorable cinematic experiences. All other films placed 11th and lower slightly 'miss the point' with this 'Delicate Balance of Bond-ishness'....and miss it more when we go down the list in descending order.

    I agree however, I think that especially FYEO also has that combination and I was a bit shocked seeing it ending up outside the top10...

    Hmmm, I actually agree. Perhaps it's heavy competition? I mean, both in @w2bond 's general TOP 24 ranking and in this poll FYEO comes in at 13th place.

    Perhaps SP is to blame, as the newest Bond film is mostly seen as a better film than QOS. And that film has this delicate balance as well. And while LTK is perhaps less of a 'typical' Bond film, solely as a film without the Bond tag it's still quite good.

    Then FYEO itself perhaps has some slight flaws. While it's certainly Moore's most Fleming-esque attempt of portraying a more 'blunt instrument', the John Glen-esque 'cheesy comedy' makes the film feeel a bit uneven at times. Biby, 'a nose, not a banana', adds to that imbalance perhaps.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    Uneven and also very vanilla
  • HellerHeller London
    Posts: 29
    FYEO is the Bond film that would most benefit from a fan edit. In other words, lose the Winter Olympics and the loathsome Bibi, get someone to rescore it and you've got a top 5 Bond film.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,139
    w2bond wrote: »
    Uneven and also very vanilla

    Exactly my thoughts. The idea behind the whole thing is noble, but it fails to put that into work. It's all a bit forgettable.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Uneven and also very vanilla

    Exactly my thoughts. The idea behind the whole thing is noble, but it fails to put that into work. It's all a bit forgettable.

    Actually for some reason I quite like it

  • Not saying TLD doesn't deserve it's place of course. I have it at 4, so I would have appreciated a top 5 spot.

    SF will undoubtedly be next.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    w2bond wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Uneven and also very vanilla

    Exactly my thoughts. The idea behind the whole thing is noble, but it fails to put that into work. It's all a bit forgettable.

    Actually for some reason I quite like it
    I quite like FYEO, but Bibi and some of the comedy does ruin the momentum of so much of it. The story of the Moore era in many ways is great stuff weighed down by sour humor that cuts the tension. My favorite "dumb" moment of FYEO, however, is when Bond gets super sanctimonious to Melina about how wrong it is to pursue revenge...while at the start of the film he acted on just that by killing Blofeld. You dun goofed, James. You dun goofed.
  • GBFGBF
    edited October 2016 Posts: 3,197
    w2bond wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Uneven and also very vanilla

    Exactly my thoughts. The idea behind the whole thing is noble, but it fails to put that into work. It's all a bit forgettable.

    Actually for some reason I quite like it
    I quite like FYEO, but Bibi and some of the comedy does ruin the momentum of so much of it. The story of the Moore era in many ways is great stuff weighed down by sour humor that cuts the tension. My favorite "dumb" moment of FYEO, however, is when Bond gets super sanctimonious to Melina about how wrong it is to pursue revenge...while at the start of the film he acted on just that by killing Blofeld. You dun goofed, James. You dun goofed.

    I have heard many people complain about this element in FYEO. But I have never understood why it should be inconsistent. I don't think that Bond's lines in the hotel are supposed to be a ethical but should rather convince Melina not to bring herself into serious danger.

    Bond himself kills people. He is an experienced agent and a professional killer. Other people also aim to kill him. So whether he kills Loque or Blofeld for revenge or because these are just villains who should be eliminated by him does not matter. That does not mean that he enjoys killing other people. It is his job.
    However, Melina is no spy and she is not a professional killer. The Chinese saying Bond quotes means that if you once start going for revenge, the killing of people will never end. Therefore in order to protect your own life and that of your friends and family you should break the circle of revenge.
    Bond also knows that killing other people will probably ruin your own life. He simply may protect Melina from this experience.


  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Bond is protective of Melina as he knows what it means to actually revenge someone.
    There is nothing at all inconsistent with that, in my opinion it is one of the best written character developments for Moore Bond.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    I love LTK, but don't forget the Barry-aspect in TLD: he's just the BEST.
  • Posts: 11,119
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I love LTK, but don't forget the Barry-aspect in TLD: he's just the BEST.

    Yes, Barry went out with a bang with the Bond franchise. The TLD-score is simply stunning.
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