No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 9,847
    Well looks like the story about Bond trying to settle down but being forced into his past life and having to give up the family is likely the plot of Bond 25 the title will be Shatterhand and more then likely be the name of Blofeld ancetral home in Japan...

    Yup I can predict all of that based on a Reddit post and if I am right on all of it I will be in for another middle of the road Bond film
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    A Reddit user is saying that Craig AND Mendes are planning on returning:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/
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  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Martin Campbell spoke to USA today while promoting the Casino Royale DVD release in 2006

    Speaking to USA Today to promote the DVD release of Daniel Craig’s first 007 film, Campbell said, “After GoldenEye, I was asked to do subsequent Bonds, but I declined because it felt as if I’d be repeating myself. But this one is based on a Bond that’s more interesting. To be honest, I would just say I’d never say never.”

    Please bring back Campbell :-c
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Martin Campbell spoke to USA today while promoting the Casino Royale DVD release in 2006

    Speaking to USA Today to promote the DVD release of Daniel Craig’s first 007 film, Campbell said, “After GoldenEye, I was asked to do subsequent Bonds, but I declined because it felt as if I’d be repeating myself. But this one is based on a Bond that’s more interesting. To be honest, I would just say I’d never say never.”

    Please bring back Campbell :-c

    It would be a dream come true.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    I don't think Mendes will be back but please God no not again. Enough.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Would Craig really be unwilling to work with any director than Mendes? For sure they'd want to get somebody of that caliber but there are plenty and they can afford them. Bring back Craig, leave out Mendes.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I don't think Mendes will be back but please God no not again. Enough.
    I could live with it, theoretically of course.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Here's an interesting article on how B25 and future films could be affected by recent geopolitical developments, including Brexit and Trump:

    http://theconversation.com/how-brexit-and-trump-will-affect-james-bond-67094

    There is a new 2017 book out on it, entitled: "The Geographies, Genders and Geopolitics of James Bond" by Klaus Dodds, Professor of Geopolitics, Royal Holloway and Lisa Funnell, Assistant Professor, Women’s and Gender Studies, University of Oklahoma

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Geographies-Genders-Geopolitics-James-Bond/dp/1137570237/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480434033&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Geographies,+Genders+and+Geopolitics+of+James+Bond
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Here's an interesting article on how B25 and future films could be affected by recent geopolitical developments, including Brexit and Trump:

    http://theconversation.com/how-brexit-and-trump-will-affect-james-bond-67094

    There is a new 2017 book out on it, entitled: "The Geographies, Genders and Geopolitics of James Bond" by Klaus Dodds, Professor of Geopolitics, Royal Holloway and Lisa Funnell, Assistant Professor, Women’s and Gender Studies, University of Oklahoma

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Geographies-Genders-Geopolitics-James-Bond/dp/1137570237/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480434033&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Geographies,+Genders+and+Geopolitics+of+James+Bond

    £66.99!!! Might not be buying that book.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Here's an interesting article on how B25 and future films could be affected by recent geopolitical developments, including Brexit and Trump:

    http://theconversation.com/how-brexit-and-trump-will-affect-james-bond-67094

    There is a new 2017 book out on it, entitled: "The Geographies, Genders and Geopolitics of James Bond" by Klaus Dodds, Professor of Geopolitics, Royal Holloway and Lisa Funnell, Assistant Professor, Women’s and Gender Studies, University of Oklahoma

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Geographies-Genders-Geopolitics-James-Bond/dp/1137570237/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480434033&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Geographies,+Genders+and+Geopolitics+of+James+Bond

    £66.99!!! Might not be buying that book.
    I know. Pretty pricey. I think there was a free pdf online for a while but it's no longer available. I'll keep a look out for it because it may pop up again.
  • A Reddit user is saying that Craig AND Mendes are planning on returning:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/

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    Seems like bullshit. Sam has said he's out on numerous occasions - plus I think he's pretty bereft of ideas (this is especially obvious in Spectre). I think he's done. There is very little I feel he could contribute. I want new blood.

    FWIW, it appears to be the same Reddit user, "CashleyPersia," who posted this five months ago:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/4q4kso/preproduction_work_has_begun_on_bond_25/

    That post also referenced Steven Knight (then writing, now not writing).


  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2016 Posts: 8,399
    If this franchise is going to survive they need to find a way to bring back the light hearted Bond without appearing to recede back to 70's camp. Obviously in today's world people expect a certain degree of realism in their popcorn movies. But at the same time there is a growing demand for the "classic Bond" to return.

    I think the problem comes at the difference between seriousness and darkness. You can have a dark comedy, but you can't have a serious comedy. I think there is a certain space to write a low key spy thriller with a bit of bombast back. However, it would be better if Bond wasn't a superhero. What if the only peice of Bonds pysche that he has left to hold onto is his sense of humour? That and his survival instinct and a sense of deep seated nationalism that Fleming wrote about.

    Of course, you wouldn't have to refer to this in the film, just subtely allude to it using inference. That way, the humour and irreverence won't seem so forced and out of place. There would be a justification, and anyone interested would read that into it, and it would seem more natural as a consequence.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    "Growing demand for classic Bond"??? Where are you getting this from???
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    "Growing demand for classic Bond"??? Where are you getting this from???

    You must have noticed the calls to return to standalone adventures, with less emphasis on pyschoanalysis and the Scooby gang. I think a lot of people just want a tradition Bond story for Bond 25. One without some sort of "this time, its personal" gimmick, or killing off someone for shock value.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    doubleoego wrote: »
    "Growing demand for classic Bond"??? Where are you getting this from???

    You must have noticed the calls to return to standalone adventures, with less emphasis on pyschoanalysis and the Scooby gang. I think a lot of people just want a tradition Bond story for Bond 25. One without some sort of "this time, its personal" gimmick, or killing off someone for shock value.

    Well in that case, you're right and I most certainly agree. I think what people are really looking for at the end of the day is a great presentation on how a Bond story is told.

    Looking at SP, with a few changes here and there it could have been a near great film but as it is, for me it's easily one of the worst in the series and this is a film that reintroduced a lot of classic elements; it's just that they were horribly executed.

    However, I think it's definitely a good time to go back to the elements that you suggested but based on a template of very good and sensible story telling. The closest we got to that within the last 20 odd years is CR.


  • edited November 2016 Posts: 28
    Hi all, new to these forums, though I have followed on and off for a few years. Thought I would add my two cents to this thread.

    Despite the fact that I really enjoyed Skyfall, I can't get excited about a Mendes return. Largely in part because it almost certainly means a continuation of the Blofeld/Swann story which they butchered badly in Spectre. Leaving the cinema with casual fans I do not recall anyone saying they 'can't wait for the next one...' instead the comments I recall were 'the ending was a bit flat' or 'I'm not sure what the ending means, is Bond done?'

    If EON want to continue in the vain of joining up future films they really have to invest in forward planning and have the courage of their convictions to leave us with a cliffhanger or a dramatic hook that leaves the audience wanting more. It seemed to me that with Spectre they played it safe by leaving us with Craig's 'Swann' song film or a set up for an adaptation of the YOLT book. But by aiming in the middle they hit neither.

    My personal preference would be to start over with a soft reboot for a new actor. Thank DC for reinvigorating the franchise, bringing new layers to the character and for two wonderful films in CR and SF then move on.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Hi all, new to these forums, though I have followed on and off for a few years. Thought I would add my two cents to this thread.

    Despite the fact that I really enjoyed Skyfall, I can't get excited about a Mendes return. Largely in part because it almost certainly means a continuation of the Blofeld/Swann story which they butchered badly in Spectre. Leaving the cinema with casual fans I do not recall anyone saying they 'can't wait for the next one...' instead the comments I recall were 'the ending was a bit flat' or 'I'm not sure what ending means, is Bond done?'

    If EON want to continue in the vain of joining up future films they really have to invest in forward planning and have the courage of their convictions to leave us with a cliffhanger or a dramatic hook that leaves the audience wanting more. It seemed to me that with Spectre they played it safe by leaving us with Craig's 'Swann' song film or a set up for an adaptation of the YOLT book. But by aiming in the middle they hit neither.

    My personal preference would be to start over with a soft reboot for a new actor. Thank DC for reinvigorating the franchise, bringing new layers to the character and for two wonderful films in CR and SF and then move on.

    Welcome Michael! I very much agree with your suggestion of moving on with another actor. Is there anyone in particular that you would want for the role??
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Hi all, new to these forums, though I have followed on and off for a few years. Thought I would add my two cents to this thread.

    Despite the fact that I really enjoyed Skyfall, I can't get excited about a Mendes return. Largely in part because it almost certainly means a continuation of the Blofeld/Swann story which they butchered badly in Spectre. Leaving the cinema with casual fans I do not recall anyone saying they 'can't wait for the next one...' instead the comments I recall were 'the ending was a bit flat' or 'I'm not sure what the ending means, is Bond done?'

    If EON want to continue in the vain of joining up future films they really have to invest in forward planning and have the courage of their convictions to leave us with a cliffhanger or a dramatic hook that leaves the audience wanting more. It seemed to me that with Spectre they played it safe by leaving us with Craig's 'Swann' song film or a set up for an adaptation of the YOLT book. But by aiming in the middle they hit neither.

    My personal preference would be to start over with a soft reboot for a new actor. Thank DC for reinvigorating the franchise, bringing new layers to the character and for two wonderful films in CR and SF then move on.
    Excellent opening post on this thread. I agree wholeheartedly.
  • Thanks for the welcome. In terms of who I would pick to replace DC... I'm lost! None of the names put forward convince me and all lack that edge that DC has bought to the table. Whilst I even enjoy Moore's entries, I firmly believe that the audience should be convinced that the Bond #7 could kill a man in cold blood if necessary. None of the names put forward so far have that edge.
  • GumboldGumbold Atlantis
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    I am of the belief there are two type of Bond fan.
    Amen to everything you said in that post

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    Everyone is talking soft reboot like they know its some kind of masterpiece. Id rather see Craig a 5th & final time with Mendes at the helm. Mendes is clever, he can bring us something new again
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Thanks for the welcome. In terms of who I would pick to replace DC... I'm lost! None of the names put forward convince me and all lack that edge that DC has bought to the table. Whilst I even enjoy Moore's entries, I firmly believe that the audience should be convinced that the Bond #7 could kill a man in cold blood if necessary. None of the names put forward so far have that edge.

    So why change the actor when the incumbent actually has the edge you're looking for??????
  • peter wrote: »
    Thanks for the welcome. In terms of who I would pick to replace DC... I'm lost! None of the names put forward convince me and all lack that edge that DC has bought to the table. Whilst I even enjoy Moore's entries, I firmly believe that the audience should be convinced that the Bond #7 could kill a man in cold blood if necessary. None of the names put forward so far have that edge.

    So why change the actor when the incumbent actually has the edge you're looking for??????

    It's a fair question! It's largely because of the decision to retcon which worked so badly in Spectre. It hasn't left them many places to go in terms of story. I just can't get exited about the prospect of continuing the Blofeld/Swann storylines which I think a DC bond #25 would have to do. I also get the impression (from his comments post SP) that DC has lost a bit of hunger for the project.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2016 Posts: 8,399
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Everyone is talking soft reboot like they know its some kind of masterpiece. Id rather see Craig a 5th & final time with Mendes at the helm. Mendes is clever, he can bring us something new again

    We can't be sure whether it will be a masterpeice. Campbell isn't confirmed yet.
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
    edited November 2016 Posts: 3,277
    About the Reddit post: Truth or not, I LOVE when Bond rumours shake our world. ;)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    About the Reddit post: Truth or not, I LOVE when Bond rumours shake our world. ;)

    I, on the other hand, hate when trolls start writing bullshit on the web, especially because there's lots of idiots who're going to trust them and will spread their bullshit everywhere.

  • Posts: 4,619
    A third Bond film directed by Mendes and starring Craig could be great as long as: 1. Blofeld does NOT return 2. it concludes the Craig era.
  • Posts: 9,847
    At least we have something to talk about that is bond 25 related...

    Personally I wouldn't be too upset with Shatterhand ( a third Mendes bond film about the struggle bond faces trying to leave his old world behind while forces beyond his control are forcing him back) like Spectre and Skyfall it will be middle of the road at best for me but hey I lived through Casino Royale and Quantum so at least I had two brilliant bond films
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Hi all, new to these forums, though I have followed on and off for a few years. Thought I would add my two cents to this thread.

    Despite the fact that I really enjoyed Skyfall, I can't get excited about a Mendes return. Largely in part because it almost certainly means a continuation of the Blofeld/Swann story which they butchered badly in Spectre. Leaving the cinema with casual fans I do not recall anyone saying they 'can't wait for the next one...' instead the comments I recall were 'the ending was a bit flat' or 'I'm not sure what the ending means, is Bond done?'

    If EON want to continue in the vain of joining up future films they really have to invest in forward planning and have the courage of their convictions to leave us with a cliffhanger or a dramatic hook that leaves the audience wanting more. It seemed to me that with Spectre they played it safe by leaving us with Craig's 'Swann' song film or a set up for an adaptation of the YOLT book. But by aiming in the middle they hit neither.

    My personal preference would be to start over with a soft reboot for a new actor. Thank DC for reinvigorating the franchise, bringing new layers to the character and for two wonderful films in CR and SF then move on.

    Welcome
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Walecs wrote: »
    About the Reddit post: Truth or not, I LOVE when Bond rumours shake our world. ;)

    I, on the other hand, hate when trolls start writing bullshit on the web, especially because there's lots of idiots who're going to trust them and will spread their bullshit everywhere.

    Sadly true, the Reddit topic sounds like someone putting 2 & 2 together and getting Never Say Never Again /:)
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