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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    MrKissKissBangBang wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    However, if I see films like.... CR towards the bottom of any list, then I'm slightly dubious as too how well they know Bond, or more likely their age.

    I see them as a reasonable, mature someone who is well versed in James Bond.

    ;)

    Like I said, how well they know Bond and their age.
    The internet is full of forums that don't like CR or SF. Tell me, which lunatic forum did they get you out of

    ;)
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how much crap my beloved GOLDFINGER takes around here.

    You think being a fan of Goldfinger is hard, try being a fan of TWINE!

    Just about post this exact same thing!

  • GamesBond007GamesBond007 Golden Grotto
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    @royale65 @Some_Kind_Of_Hero Been on these boards less than a week and my god the hate TWINE gets on a daily basis is absurd. It's a hard knock life for those of us who adore that film. Seems people struggle to comment on anything without knocking that film down a notch or two sometimes lol
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    TWINE isn t exactly the same standard as GF.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    GamesBond007 wrote: »
    @royale65 @Some_Kind_Of_Hero Been on these boards less than a week and my god the hate TWINE gets on a daily basis is absurd. It's a hard knock life for those of us who adore that film. Seems people struggle to comment on anything without knocking that film down a notch or two sometimes lol

    For you, sir:

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1678/the-world-is-not-enough-appreciation-thread
  • JediDunchJediDunch
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    TWINE isn t exactly the same standard as GF.
    No they're the same
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    TWINE isn t exactly the same standard as GF.

    Quite. Still, the hate for TWINE is quite astounding sometimes.

  • JediDunchJediDunch
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    It's not very good.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Are we all sharing our collective woes now?

    I wear wounds for standing up for QoS and SP (among other films), but I don't get dramatic about it. Fandom is what it is, there's gradations.

    And yes, even the almighty Goldfinger is heavily flawed. And yet, it can still be awesome at the same time. *gasp*

    No such thing as a perfect film in this series, or one that should have unanimous praise. FRWL is a classic, but we can all be honest and say that the helicopter battle and boat chase were padding the film out, just as we can point out the slumps in OHMSS and some of the logic holes it represents. And yet, they're some of the best films out there, and best of Bond.

    We just have to decide what kind of Bond we like, analyze and understand how each film meets those expectation and decide how willing we are to accept its lapses when contrasted with what it excels at.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited March 2017 Posts: 2,730
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Are we all sharing our collective woes now?

    I wear wounds for standing up for QoS and SP (among other films), but I don't get dramatic about it. Fandom is what it is, there's gradations.

    And yes, even the almighty Goldfinger is heavily flawed. And yet, it can still be awesome at the same time. *gasp*

    No such thing as a perfect film in this series, or one that should have unanimous praise. FRWL is a classic, but we can all be honest and say that the helicopter battle and boat chase were padding the film out, just as we can point out the slumps in OHMSS and some of the logic holes it represents. And yet, they're some of the best films out there, and best of Bond.

    We just have to decide what kind of Bond we like, analyze and understand how each film meets those expectation and decide how willing we are to accept its lapses when contrasted with what it excels at.

    I see your points
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Are we all sharing our collective woes now?

    I wear wounds for standing up for QoS and SP (among other films), but I don't get dramatic about it. Fandom is what it is, there's gradations.

    And yes, even the almighty Goldfinger is heavily flawed. And yet, it can still be awesome at the same time. *gasp*

    No such thing as a perfect film in this series, or one that should have unanimous praise. FRWL is a classic, but we can all be honest and say that the helicopter battle and boat chase were padding the film out, just as we can point out the slumps in OHMSS and some of the logic holes it represents. And yet, they're some of the best films out there, and best of Bond.

    We just have to decide what kind of Bond we like, analyze and understand how each film meets those expectation and decide how willing we are to accept its lapses when contrasted with what it excels at.

    I see your points I prefer more frwl tld CR serious bond while some people or maybe most people prefer other types of bond

  • GamesBond007GamesBond007 Golden Grotto
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Are we all sharing our collective woes now?

    I wear wounds for standing up for QoS and SP (among other films), but I don't get dramatic about it. Fandom is what it is, there's gradations.

    And yes, even the almighty Goldfinger is heavily flawed. And yet, it can still be awesome at the same time. *gasp*

    No such thing as a perfect film in this series, or one that should have unanimous praise. FRWL is a classic, but we can all be honest and say that the helicopter battle and boat chase were padding the film out, just as we can point out the slumps in OHMSS and some of the logic holes it represents. And yet, they're some of the best films out there, and best of Bond.

    We just have to decide what kind of Bond we like, analyze and understand how each film meets those expectation and decide how willing we are to accept its lapses when contrasted with what it excels at.

    I would like to say that FRWL actually features what is probably the best trio of action sequences out of the Connery era. The famed train fight, helicopter attack and the almighty gypsy camp battle.

    It just hit me recently how perfectly rounded FRWL is. It along with CR are probably the best films in the series. Yet my personal favorite is TWINE.

    But as you said, we decide what Bond we like and what cocktail the formula must create in order to appease our own interests. Flawed or not a film can still rocket to the top of our list regardless of missed opportunities or poor scripting and what not.

    Fandom may be what it is but I would like to see less potshotting on these boards personally. Criticism is one thing, degradation is another.

    At the end of the day, we're all Bond fans.



  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @GamesBond007, I adore FRWL, it's up there with CR in a basic tie for me as #1. I just think it's important to not be partial to things just because we really fancy them. All the Bond films have weak elements, and it's that balance I talked about that we have to find with each. We just have to be honest about it, and call out issues with the movies equally.

    I agree with the potshotting comment, though. Sometimes a movie (as SP is currently) is run into the dirt and treated as cancerous, and often comments about the films can go too far in their criticisms. Even films I don't like, I don't waste my breathe critiquing, and when I do I try to back my arguments up with well thought out points instead of resorting to saying, "This movie is garbage!" or other derivatives of that. It's too much energy to complain, so I let the films I don't like have their fans and focus my energies on the movies that really give me a high, including Sean's and Dan's, as well as Tim's. It's with those films that I find my happy place, and I'm much better off staying with them than marching into a Moore or Brosnan thread to whine about those films and upset the people that like them. It doesn't help anyone, and makes us all miserable.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @GamesBond007, I adore FRWL, it's up there with CR in a basic tie for me as #1. I just think it's important to not be partial to things just because we really fancy them. All the Bond films have weak elements, and it's that balance I talked about that we have to find with each. We just have to be honest about it, and call out issues with the movies equally.

    I agree with the potshotting comment, though. Sometimes a movie (as SP is currently) is run into the dirt and treated as cancerous, and often comments about the films can go too far in their criticisms. Even films I don't like, I don't waste my breathe critiquing, and when I do I try to back my arguments up with well thought out points instead of resorting to saying, "This movie is garbage!" or other derivatives of that. It's too much energy to complain, so I let the films I don't like have their fans and focus my energies on the movies that really give me a high, including Sean's and Dan's, as well as Tim's. It's with those films that I find my happy place, and I'm much better off staying with them than marching into a Moore or Brosnan thread to whine about those films and upset the people that like them. It doesn't help anyone, and makes us all miserable.

    +1 I sometimes can't give a definitive answer on my fav bond film cuz I love casino Royale and frwl alike
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    The fact is no Bond film is perfect. And even the worst have some redeeming features.

    My personal favourite, The Spy Who Loved Me for example, still has a couple of flaws. It has a weak villain and the disco-ish soundtrack dates it somewhat.

    Consequently my least favourite, Quantum Of Solace has the great mid air dog fight, and the final tussle with Greene is actually quite good, and probably the one moment in the film that the flash cutting style works.

    It bemuses me that people on here trash Goldfinger (I havent seen anyone do it personally, so I am purely going on the anecdotal evidence of the above posters).. On the same token I am not a fan of Skyfall, which seems to be a huge favourite around here.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    You can almost split it through the Bond actors as well. Probably Connery aside, they all have mixed bags.

    Connery: 4 excellent( FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT)
    1 middling( Dr.No)
    1 weak(DAF). Also NSNA if I was counting that.

    Lazenby: 1 Excellent(duh!)

    Moore: 2 excellent(TSWLM, FYEO)
    5 middling(LALD, TMWGG, MR, OP, AVTAK)
    I actually dont think Moore has a weak one, just a lot of average efforts.

    Dalton: 2 middling( TLD, LTK)
    I dont think Dalton has a great one, but no weak ones either.

    Brosnan: 1 excellent(GE)
    1 middling(TND)
    2 weak(TWINE, DAD)

    Craig: 1 excellent(CR)
    1 middling(SP)
    2 weak(QOS, SF)
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Saying all that if you guys had to show 5 films to someone who has never seen bond before, What would u do?
    Me personally I would show
    Dr no
    Frwl
    Goldfinger
    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If I were to introduce someone to Bond for the very first time, I'd absolutely have to show DN-GF, OHMSS, and CR.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    GF, OHMSS, TSWLM, TLD, GE, CR. One from each actor.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If we're doing one from each actor, I'd go GF, OHMSS (tough choice here), TSWLM, LTK, GE, and CR.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    FRWL, OHMSS, LTK, CR, SF
  • barryt007barryt007
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    One from each ?

    FRWL,OHMSS,OP,LTK,DAD,CR
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    DAD? Please explain.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I just show early Connery. It should then be easy for them to understand, having seen DN to TB, why the series and the man are so iconic.

    I'd hold off on sharing OHMSS, though, and show it only if the person expressed interest. That's not a film you can just lay on someone out of nowhere. You need the context of the other films that build to it, especially because of the continuity throughout the film.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    I just show early Connery. It should then be easy for them to understand, having seen DN to TB, why the series and the man are so iconic.

    I'd hold off on sharing OHMSS, though, and show it only if the person expressed interest. That's not a film you can just lay on someone out of nowhere. You need the context of the other films that build to it, especially because of the continuity throughout the film.

    Yeah and you want them to like the character of bond not think he's a loser
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Saying all that if you guys had to show 5 films to someone who has never seen bond before, What would u do?
    If it was just one it would be TSWLM. Still a benchmark film as it celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, and with several iconic scenes. Close 2nd would be GF.

    For five, I'd go with
    FRWL
    GF
    TSWLM
    GE
    CR

    That would give them a good idea of the Bond legend with sufficient variety in the mix.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Yeah my friends have only seen the Craig films so I'm doing a bondathon with them starting at dr no
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Yeah my friends have only seen the Craig films so I'm doing a bondathon with them starting at dr no
    Have fun. Please try not to show any advance bias against the legendary TB until they've had an opportunity to experience it for themselves.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    DAD? Please explain.

    We are talking about the actor not the film,and i feel he is most relaxed and comfortable in DAD,compared to his other films...thats my opinion.

    He feels more world-weary and matured in this film.

  • gumboltgumbolt Now with in-office photocopier
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    In chronological order within the categories:
    BEST - DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
    WORST - TB, YOLT, TMWTGG, DAD, QOS
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Yeah my friends have only seen the Craig films so I'm doing a bondathon with them starting at dr no
    Have fun. Please try not to show any advance bias against the legendary TB until they've had an opportunity to experience it for themselves.

    Yeah I won't I'm very interested to see their opinions
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