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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I thought Craig starred in SP?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Skyfall is really good but it's not casino Royale level, and SPECTRE as much as I dislike, I can see it being an okay bond adventure
  • JediDunchJediDunch
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    i think your so blinded by insolable Craig mania that you don't care who you hurt. ...when you can't tell SF from SP, its time to go home
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm sorry to come off as being harsh but I find SP to be mostly trash. I think it really is my least favourite Bond movie.
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I'm sorry to come off as being harsh but I find SP to be mostly trash. I think it really is my least favourite Bond movie.

    Yes - "trash" is kind of a harsh and exaggerated word for, at the very least, something that was shot by Hoyte Van Hoytema and scored by Thomas Newman. Clearly the kind of "trash" that more than likely ends up being someone else's treasure.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Newman's score was trash a rehash.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    It was trash- the score at least
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Newman's score was trash a rehash.

    Not entirely wrong, compared to Skyfall - but the pieces over the scenes in Mexico were new and very good.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Jazz007 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Newman's score was trash a rehash.

    Not entirely wrong, compared to Skyfall - but the pieces over the scenes in Mexico were new and very good.

    That was the only good track.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
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    Clone Wilso
    Getafix wrote: »
    That's my point. SF is overrated. SP probably slightly underrated on here. Overtime they'll settle down closer to each other.

    +1

    Agree 100 %

    One slightly too overrated, one slightly too underrated.
  • vzokvzok
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Newman's score was trash a rehash.

    Recycling is important for the environment.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    SF > SP

    But i have SF at #7 and SP at #12 in my ratings so they are both fine to me..its the last act in London that still annoys me about SP,i have nothing like that about SF.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    vzok wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Newman's score was trash a rehash.

    Recycling is important for the environment.

    Not for film scores.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I'm sorry to come off as being harsh but I find SP to be mostly trash. I think it really is my least favourite Bond movie.

    I certainly like Skyfall more than you but I'm coming to the conclusion that SPECTRE is one of the worst of the series.

    It's more the potential that makes it worse, what it could have been and for me the only real black mark on the Craig era.

    I couldn't care less about 1995 - 2002 but SPECTRE I really invested in that's what makes it hurt and a good percentage why I'm so viscious in my criticism of it.

  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    Spectre was the best movie on paper since CR. The problem is they didnt capture the full magic on the screen.

    I like Spectre & even I can admit the quality of the film could have been better with minor changes
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    Less so. the B story stuff with M, Moneypenny and Q seemed outright silly in Spectre, especially toward the end of the movie. Reminded me of the silly stuff the Purvis/Wade use to write in the latter three Broz films.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    I picked it up for a fiver this week and have watched it for the first time in over a year tonight.

    In the words of Marlon Brando in On The Water Front, "I coulda been a contender" SPECTRE the third time round is more infuriatingly a missed opportunity.

    While it's not a Die Another Day or a Diamonds Are Forvever due to the way it leaves a black mark on an otherwise quality Daniel Craig tenure and makes a mockery of the most iconic villain of the series I have to declare it one of the worst of the series.

    I won't be rushing to have another viewing of this, it will be more than year before I subject myself to this again.

    I want Craig back if only to try and make up for this travesty.

    Pretty much agree with all of this. Entertaining stuff through the first half, them man this thing just becomes really silly. I'd actually prefer watching QoS over this thing. Serious story with no contrived ending. A great chase through Rome RUINED by stupid banter and the playlist gag. Ugh. And the mouse gag, gimme a break.
  • RC7RC7
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    Don't see the issue with the mouse scene. Some people take themselves way too seriously. Bond is fantasy bollocks at the end of the day.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    TellyBlofeld wrote: »
    Less so. the B story stuff with M, Moneypenny and Q seemed outright silly in Spectre, especially toward the end of the movie. Reminded me of the silly stuff the Purvis/Wade use to write in the latter three Broz films.
    They only wrote TWINE and DAD.

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    TellyBlofeld wrote: »
    Less so. the B story stuff with M, Moneypenny and Q seemed outright silly in Spectre, especially toward the end of the movie. Reminded me of the silly stuff the Purvis/Wade use to write in the latter three Broz films.
    They only wrote TWINE and DAD.

    That's actually true, spectre is a Brosnan film, at least it feels like one
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Don't see the issue with the mouse scene. Some people take themselves way too seriously. Bond is fantasy bollocks at the end of the day.
    Hardly what Fleming would have wanted in a Bond movie.

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  • RC7RC7
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Don't see the issue with the mouse scene. Some people take themselves way too seriously. Bond is fantasy bollocks at the end of the day.
    Hardly what Fleming would have wanted in a Bond movie.

    It's a choice moment of levity, that wouldn't work in some hands, but in Craig's is executed perfectly. I don't really see how/why we can assume that Fleming wouldn't approve - a literary equivalent may play out as follows - Fleming Bond in a dusty old Beirut bedroom waiting patiently for an assassin to return to his digs; Bond in half slumber is disturbed by a mouse/rat - he follows it as it scuttles across the stone floor - cue an internal monologue fleshing out the comparable, devious, rat-like character about to be put to the sword. I'm aware that's not a direct comparison, merely suggesting the scenario isn't as obviously stupid as some make out.

  • MilovyMilovy
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    I quite like the rat "interrogation" scene. It made me smile when I saw Spectre for the first time and it's just the sort of dry, self-deprecating, mildly absurd humour that Craig plays so well. And like @RC7, I can also imagine Fleming writing a version of this.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Spoken like the inspiration for your username.
    TellyBlofeld wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I picked it up for a fiver this week and have watched it for the first time in over a year tonight.

    In the words of Marlon Brando in On The Water Front, "I coulda been a contender" SPECTRE the third time round is more infuriatingly a missed opportunity.

    While it's not a Die Another Day or a Diamonds Are Forvever due to the way it leaves a black mark on an otherwise quality Daniel Craig tenure and makes a mockery of the most iconic villain of the series I have to declare it one of the worst of the series.

    I won't be rushing to have another viewing of this, it will be more than year before I subject myself to this again.

    I want Craig back if only to try and make up for this travesty.

    Pretty much agree with all of this. Entertaining stuff through the first half, them man this thing just becomes really silly. I'd actually prefer watching QoS over this thing. Serious story with no contrived ending. A great chase through Rome RUINED by stupid banter and the playlist gag. Ugh. And the mouse gag, gimme a break.
    If you're referring to Mickey Mouse then I agree. Idiotic humour & unworthy of Bond. If you're referring to the CGI mouse, then I didn't have a problem with it.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Milovy wrote: »
    I quite like the rat "interrogation" scene. It made me smile when I saw Spectre for the first time and it's just the sort of dry, self-deprecating, mildly absurd humour that Craig plays so well. And like @RC7, I can also imagine Fleming writing a version of this.

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  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited March 2017 Posts: 6,844
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Milovy wrote: »
    I quite like the rat "interrogation" scene. It made me smile when I saw Spectre for the first time and it's just the sort of dry, self-deprecating, mildly absurd humour that Craig plays so well. And like @RC7, I can also imagine Fleming writing a version of this.

    It's okay, but too complicated, what if he had a laser coming at Bond instead, Goldfinger style

    What if the rat had a laser?

    Edit: I couldn't find a Vesper "You've lost me completely" gif, but while searching I found this one instead:

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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I'm sorry to come off as being harsh but I find SP to be mostly trash. I think it really is my least favourite Bond movie.

    I certainly like Skyfall more than you but I'm coming to the conclusion that SPECTRE is one of the worst of the series.

    It's more the potential that makes it worse, what it could have been and for me the only real black mark on the Craig era.

    I couldn't care less about 1995 - 2002 but SPECTRE I really invested in that's what makes it hurt and a good percentage why I'm so viscious in my criticism of it.

    I certainly understand where you're coming from and share your sentiments for SP.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I prefer P&W to be the first writers rather than the last, breaking story rather than polishing dialogue.

    The last lines of TWINE and DAD are dreadful.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    Apparently Purvis and Wade are writing the new Bond film.
    Ugh. Back to mediocre screenwriting.
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