The case for and against... Martin Campbell

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  • Posts: 11,425
    Campbell is overrated
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I prefer him to Glen for Bond. He knows how to make the films stylish, which is a critical component of a Bond film for me. He's got a fine eye for the details.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Agreed. I prefer him over Mendes.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That too.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Glen gave us some highly entertaining films.

    I value enterainment value over visual flair, especially in a Bond film. Who wants to sit through two hours of beautifully shot boredom?
  • edited April 2017 Posts: 11,189
    The word is dynamic. Campbell is a dynamic director in a way that Glen just isn't.

    Case 1: the statue park scene in GE. Brilliantly directed by Campbell and genuinely atmospheric.
    Case 2: the torture scene in CR. See above.

    Glen's direction of those scenes would be more mundane and "basic".

    I do agree though with the earlier comment that Campbell is only as good as the script allows him to be, as has been demonstrated by his hit-and-miss career outside of Bond (The Mask of Zorro vs The Legend of Zorro for example).

    Glen was lucky because he was already established in the Bond family. Otherwise I'd say he's a fairly standard unremarkable director.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Hmmm. Think Glens overall contribution, including as a director, is too easily dismissed around here.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    John Glen is my favourite Bond director, by far.

    Martin Campbell's service to the franchise can't be valued high enough though. No matter if one likes GoldenEye and/or Casino Royale.

    Like Brosnan, Campbell continuously guaranteed great success for EON. In both instances at a time when things could have gone terribly wrong.

    Mendes on the other hand could have delivered whatever. After QOS it was an easy game.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Glen was a good action director. He knew how to keep the pace up. However he just didn't have an eye for style. There are many instances in his films when I think I'm just watching some regular action flick from the 80's starring James Bond. His films don't have visual panache or class (FYEO being a possible exception). If he could have injected a little more of the aesthetic from OHMSS in his films I would hold them in higher regard.

    I realize budgets were cut during his era, but one can still give the film a little bit of that special Bondian essence. That's something Campbell did very well.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Octopussy and The Living Daylights feel like some regular 80s flick??? I disagree strongly.

    And FYEO may just have the best cinematography in all of Bond except for Skyfall and Spectre.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Octopussy and The Living Daylights feel like some regular 80s flick??? I disagree strongly.
    Stylistically and visually (which is the point I was making), yes. Particularly in comparison to what had come before. The misuse of India in OP and Vienna in TLD is borderline disgraceful. Both absolutely wonderful locales with which much could have been done by someone else.
    And FYEO may just have the best cinematography in all of Bond except for Skyfall and Spectre.
    I believe I noted FYEO as an exception above.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Hmm. Okay OP doesn't totally crack India but in the context of the movie I think it's used fairly well actually. Try convincing the hotels in Udaipur that OP made disgraceful use of the Lake Palace. The local tourist industry has been dining out on OP for 35 years. The movie had a bigger impact there than any Bond movie has had anywhere arguably.

    I haven't seen a huge number of Hollywood style movies do a better job.

    As for Vienna, yes it definitely could have been used better but by the same token Vienna isn't all that anyway IMO. Perectly pleasant Central european city but Prague and Budapest are far more beautiful/cinematic IMO.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Octopussy and The Living Daylights feel like some regular 80s flick??? I disagree strongly.
    Stylistically and visually (which is the point I was making), yes. Particularly in comparison to what had come before. The misuse of India in OP and Vienna in TLD is borderline disgraceful. Both absolutely wonderful locales with which much could have been done by someone else.
    And FYEO may just have the best cinematography in all of Bond except for Skyfall and Spectre.
    I believe I noted FYEO as an exception above.

    Corfu was indeed a very cinematic location for Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    Hmm. Okay OP doesn't totally crack India but in the context of the movie I think it's used fairly well actually. Try convincing the hotels in Udaipur that OP made disgraceful use of the Lake Palace. The local tourist industry has been dining out on OP for 35 years. The movie had a bigger impact there than any Bond movie has had anywhere arguably.

    I haven't seen a huge number of Hollywood style movies do a better job.
    India is very atmospheric and colourful. It smolders. I found OP made a caricature out of it (with the jungle nonsense and so on). Temple of Doom was no better. They should have visited a big city and let us 'feel' the locations. I suppose for 1983 it was decent enough, but it could have been so much more. Young would have nailed it, like he did Istanbul.

    I agree on Prague & Budapest. Been to both and they are beautiful cities. Both should be in a Bond film. Vienna is lovely too, and I really think they could have done a much better job of showcasing it in TLD.

    Glen didn't really have an eye for it imho, although in FYEO he did use Corfu very well.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited April 2017 Posts: 8,452
    People like to cite Martin's age as a reason against him possibly returning to the franchise in future, but I don't think that would prevent EON from hiring him again. If you ever see some behind the scenes on Casino or GoldenEye, he's always screaming and jumping up and down. He has so much energy and passion, it can't help but rub off on those around him. He doesn't just request 100% from everyone - he demands it.

    Even at 75-6 I think he could do another one, and I think EON would happily have him back. Say what you want about his style, but it's undeniable that he has successful got them out of two potentially dire situations in the past. He has the midas touch when it comes to Bond, and if EON were to completely recast with the next film, they would need a reliable pair of hands to see out another storm.
  • Posts: 11,425
    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Hmm. Okay OP doesn't totally crack India but in the context of the movie I think it's used fairly well actually. Try convincing the hotels in Udaipur that OP made disgraceful use of the Lake Palace. The local tourist industry has been dining out on OP for 35 years. The movie had a bigger impact there than any Bond movie has had anywhere arguably.

    I haven't seen a huge number of Hollywood style movies do a better job.
    India is very atmospheric and colourful. It smolders. I found OP made a caricature out of it (with the jungle nonsense and so on). Temple of Doom was no better. They should have visited a big city and let us 'feel' the locations. I suppose for 1983 it was decent enough, but it could have been so much more. Young would have nailed it, like he did Istanbul.

    I agree on Prague & Budapest. Been to both and they are beautiful cities. Both should be in a Bond film. Vienna is lovely too, and I really think they could have done a much better job of showcasing it in TLD.

    Glen didn't really have an eye for it imho, although in FYEO he did use Corfu very well.

    At that time who had done India better? Frankly, until very recently who has done it better in a big Hollywood type movie?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Hmm. Okay OP doesn't totally crack India but in the context of the movie I think it's used fairly well actually. Try convincing the hotels in Udaipur that OP made disgraceful use of the Lake Palace. The local tourist industry has been dining out on OP for 35 years. The movie had a bigger impact there than any Bond movie has had anywhere arguably.

    I haven't seen a huge number of Hollywood style movies do a better job.
    India is very atmospheric and colourful. It smolders. I found OP made a caricature out of it (with the jungle nonsense and so on). Temple of Doom was no better. They should have visited a big city and let us 'feel' the locations. I suppose for 1983 it was decent enough, but it could have been so much more. Young would have nailed it, like he did Istanbul.

    I agree on Prague & Budapest. Been to both and they are beautiful cities. Both should be in a Bond film. Vienna is lovely too, and I really think they could have done a much better job of showcasing it in TLD.

    Glen didn't really have an eye for it imho, although in FYEO he did use Corfu very well.

    At that time who had done India better? Frankly, until very recently who has done it better in a big Hollywood type movie?
    Fair enough. I noted above that it was ok for 1983. Since then there have been a few entries that do a good job of it. I really enjoyed the opening scene in The Bourne Supremacy (set in Goa) which captures the spirit, heat and atmosphere perfectly. I also liked The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel .
  • Posts: 11,189
    What about Ghandi from 1982?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    What about Ghandi from 1982?
    Certainly, but it was more of a period piece. Same goes for Lean's A Passage to India from 1984.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Anyone else think that Martin Campbell is doing this film The Foreigner as something of an audition for another Bond film? He certainly still seems to have a hunger for directing action.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Campbell could have directed every bond since GE if he'd wanted to.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Campbell could have directed every bond since GE if he'd wanted to.

    I quite agree. He's a genius with this stuff, perhaps "audition" was the wrong way to say it. "Statement of intent" is much more accurate. :D
  • Posts: 11,189
    A lot of those Bond films would have been better had he done so.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    A lot of those Bond films would have been better had he done so.
    I think they probably would have had a more uniquely Bondian character without degenerating into obvious 'tropesville' or 'spy operas'. There's something to be said for a 'nuts and bolts' type, as opposed to these more recent auteurs with agendas and egos to satisfy.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Bring back John Glen!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Yes. Let's drag in a 84 year old.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Campbell's first film went a tad too far with celebrating the Bond tropes, and his second film went a tad too far with subverting them. If he ever gets the chance to return for a third, I'm hoping its a case of the third bowl of porridge being just right! :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    It's true, but what he did get just right in both films is the essence of the character of James Bond. That is 'Bond' in both films, whether it be Pierce or Dan. Campbell knows how far to take it with the character and how to capture the key filmic attributes on screen. Since the 80's, only he has been able to do that exceptionally well imho. The other directors have not.
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    Campbell made one amazing Bond film for the ages and one pretty good one too - CR and GE, respectively.

    CR is really just note-for-note as close to perfect as a film can get - everything the the photography to the performances to the pacing to the sense of danger/suspense is executed incredibly well. It's incredibly re-watchable.

    GE is good too. Campbell got a fantastic round of performances from the well-assembled cast and created a lot of great individual scenes.

    I hate the opening to GE however - Bond's introduction is mind-numbing awful. No one could have known that introducing Bond hovering over a bowl of sh!t would turn out to be a pretty good metaphor for the rest of Brosnan's tenure as 007 - but it's certainly not classy. Or funny:

    "Beg your pardon, forgot to knock."

    Really? Do you usually knock before barging in on a closed stall? And the guard just sits there for a good handful of seconds, letting Bond spew out the first of many stupid jokes from 1995-2002 without immediately jumping or yelling in a spastic reaction to someone suddenly appearing hanging over you with your pants around your ankles?

    So it starts bad - and then gets more exciting when Sean Bean and Gottfried John enter the picture - and then deforms back into stupidity as Bond defies all ideas of physics as he jumps off the cliff and actually catches the plane that's falling off the cliff in one of the most fake-looking action scenes in the entire 007 series. It's hard to shake off the PTS for me when looking at GE, even with all of its many other good aspects.
  • Posts: 230
    Absolutely for. You can nitpick his direction all you want, but he directed Bond films that resurrected the franchise two separate times. One of the most important Bond directors.
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