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Edited: Just watched the finale Wow
Edited: Several hours later I am still processing what I watched, no TV show has made my jaw drop like this one.
I guess they could have ended it with 17, yes we have some resolution but then at the end of that episode when we think Coop has saved Laura she disappears.
Suggesting that he can save her from the fate that kicked off the original series but he can't save her from ending up dead, hence the screaming and the stabbing of the indestructible photo by Sarah, at the end of that episode I figured that was what had happened and a possible way to finish it while reinstating some ambiguity.
Although I think Lynch & Frost having created the series that changed the face of television and influenced all modern TV drama's since. The idea of resolving then leaving a cliffhanger like that would seem like back in the 90's quite subversive but not it's pretty conventional, so L & F weren't going to do that.
It feels like this series has been an exercise in offering a new TV experience for the generation that has grown up bingeing and having everything at their finger tips.
TP The Return completely subverted that, we had a very brief teaeser before it started but after that nothing to sign post the next episode, we started having no clue what was coming and each week we started the same way.
In an era where mostly everything gets spoiled before it goes out The Return was completely unique, it will be interesting to see if the approach informs future TV shows.
In this age it was refreshing, unexpected and very ballsy.
Once again Lynch & Frost delivers another ending that will be debated as much as "How's Annie" .
The internet is already awash with theories, I personally from my viewing looked at the outcome and why things had changed like they did was by rescuing Laura from her fate he seriously messed things up, the butterfly effect.
I don't think that is Cooper at Judy's diner if anything there are traits of Mr C and Dougie rather than Dale Cooper although so how he keeps some of the knowledge of his previous life why he's still looking for Laura Palmer, also noticed the white horse on the fire place at Carrie Page/Laura's house.
I don't think Lynch goes out of his way to infuriate us or mislead us with the ending Frost and him are just presenting their story and there is no FU to the audience which I'm sure some will feel the same way some thought David Chase cheated them out of Tony going out in a blaze of glory or going to jail in the very devisive end of the Soprano's.
Unlike GOT which has become a very different show to the one that it began as The Return has never really diverted from the first episode, the ending is very much in keeping with the previous episodes and makes total sense that it might end this way, anyone expecting a clean resolve doesn't know the original series and are not familiar with his work. If anything the last episode of Season 2 is more out of the blue than how this finishes.
Although I believe episode 17 did give us that, some are already interpreting episode 18 as a dream. I think some might think this is a cliffhanger and there is a season 4 round the corner but I don't think so.
I think looking back on it and hearing other opinions and theories the idea that Cooper is destined to always want to save Laura not realising that he can't, despite Nadine realising that she needs to let Ed go and be with Norma and also Norma realising Ed is the man for her, there are resolves but not for Cooper.
Someone else might decide to continue the story down the line or maybe even reboot it but I think it's creators are done with the show and this is their definitive full stop although...
vehicles major temporal shifts taking place in episode 18. During the love scene Coopers eyes black like evil Coops.
The thing I keep coming back to today is the title: The Return. The whole season now in view, the title can refer to many things:
- The show coming back obviously
- On a more meta-level, Lynch and Frost coming back to TV
- Cooper returning to the real world
- Cooper's long journey back to Twin Peaks
- Cooper traveling back to the start of Laura's murder
- Laura returning to the world of the living
- Cooper bringing Laura back to Twin Peaks
- And if the audio of Laura's name being screamed during the final seconds is anything to go by, a return to the very beginning of the show (i.e. Laura waking up the morning she ought to have been dead).
Also interesting is what Lynch and Frost have done in reference to the idea of 'returning,' by which I mean that (a) this show is so wholly different from the old series, (b) the town of Twin Peaks is 'off' and different, (c) Cooper returns to his Twin Peaks fleetingly but doesn't stick around, and (d) by the finish not only has he become a sort of hybrid of the Cooper we know, EvilCoop and Dougie but we're left with him in a completely unfamiliar and nightmarish Twin Peaks.The basic message I take away from this — literally emphasized by Laura turning up on the doorstep of her house — is that 'you can never go home' and that 'returning' is a difficult thing to do.
But however difficult it was for Lynch and Frost, they pulled it off. This might be my favorite single season of TV ever.
I like this take, though I took her stabbing the photo as the entity inside of her literally lashing out at the idea of Laura returning to life, almost like Sarah stabbing the photo is in fact what was responsible for Laura's disappearing behind Cooper in the forest.
A good observation of that parallel.
Not my theory, but I was reading someone who thought the way those scenes were edited was deliberately misleading. That the motel stuff was indeed the already-mentioned BadCoop and Diane liaison, and that Cooper waking up in the morning would more correctly have followed on from the scene which began the entire season (the Giant saying Richard and Linda are in our house), which itself would have followed on from Coop and Diane driving through the electricity. (I guess that would mean this is where Diane became Naido?)
A couple other things from my end at the moment:
- Sheryl Lee is an amazing actress.
- The entire final hour felt like the diner scene from MULHOLLAND DRIVE stretched out.
I am reflecting on earlier episodes though definitely need to rewatch it in its entirety, I think it's the greatest TV ever made.
I am convinced the reality Cooper and Carrie/Laura are in is a reality where Judy has more influence or possibly they are in the Black Lodge. The owner of the Palmer house is called Treemont the name the old lady from Fire Walk With Me has with the jumping man/boy. The previous home owner is Treemonts alternate name which is Chalfont. Also I believe when Cooper crosses the electrical barrier Cooper and Diane are in 1956, look at the motel and there car the track that is played during the sex scene is the track from 1956 in episode 8 at the radio station The Platters - My Prayer which was released in 1956. Coopers car and motel go modern the next day, maybe a perception filter. Sarah Palmer is possessed by mother her rage when Cooper stops Laura from dying is intense, the smashing of Laura photo by Sarah is looped which could be perceived as the eternal loop of evil trying to destroy good. We see an infinite loop with Jeffreys/Industrial steam pot. I think the horror on Coopers face when Laura infinitely whispers to him, is the realisation of the eternal battle with evil.
That makes a ton of sense based both on the hopeless look on his face and as an image to end the show on. There's also a lot of merit to the idea that Cooper has basically become the next Jeffries and Briggs, endlessly wandering through dimensions, trying to save Laura over and over, losing all sense of existence. As though he's nothing other than a pawn in the eternal game between the White and Black Lodges -- every time he makes a move to win the battle for good, evil counters -- and this goes on perpetually, to his own detriment.
There is so much to interpret at this time it's almost futile trying to make sense of it.
I kid. I didn't realize I forgot to put the spoiler tag there.
I guess what I'm saying is, thinking about it as just a dream or an aspect of a psyche seems almost too simplistic for it to be wholly interesting. I'd much rather both the dream/supernatural to exist alongside and in relationship to some kind of feasible reality.
But the beauty of what we've been given is that it's up to you to decide. ;)
For the time being anyway. Lynch gets a lot of crap for throwing 'random' stuff into his films, but this is unfair. I think he has a gift for engineering his films so as to allow various interpretations -- I think that's deliberate on his part. His films very much play by a set of internally logical principles. I think MULHOLLAND DRIVE shows that best. Lynch will never tell you what he intended (it was pointed out that the enemy entity Cole called jiao dai -- and which was shortened to Judy -- in Ep. 17 is actually translatable from Chinese to mean "to explain," meaning explanation is the enemy) but anyhow, there are dozens of theories about MULHOLLAND DRIVE, some of which make more sense than others. But the one or two that make a lot of sense really do make a lot of sense, which points to a certain craftsmanship at work.
On another note:
Then I realized, reading back through the thread, that there did seem to be more buzz and excitement and anticipation when The Return was announced. So I wonder if the positive feedback here has been rather self-selecting in that those members not too enchanted with it simply ceased discussion because they dropped out?
I know @Thunderfinger said he had no way of viewing it. But others who are evidently fans of the original series (based on their comments early on in this thread) like @bondjames, @Tuulia and @Getafix haven't commented at all, and @ggl007 and @Tokoloshe seemed to drop off following the premiere.
I hope that's down to lack of availability/time to catch up instead of loathing, although I've heard the criticisms and completely empathize. It's definitely not the Twin Peaks of Twin Peaks fame.
The woman we see right at the end of the same episode in the distance looking creepy as hell, to cut a long story short Treemond has used magic to mess with Grey Coop (merging of Cooper and evil Cooper?) and Carrie/Laura though when Laura screams right at the end the shroud of deception has either lifted or failed as Laura remembers.
Mrs Treemond x3
Bosomy woman possibly Mrs Treemond?
I need to rewatch FWWM and Season 1 and 2 lol
Really great this Return. There are a lot of things to comment and amazing images to remain in the history of TV. Things like:
- The gangster bros.
- The three girls
- Ep. 8
- Diane
- The final songs
- Bob's finale
- To see Cooper IN Fire Walks with Me and then the beginning of Twin Peaks
- Laura Palmer
- THE scream
Sorry to have drawn you back in, then. ;) No way I'd want spoiled either.
Speaking of home video, I've yet to see any announcement of plans along those lines, which is disappointing. Does anyone know anything? It's been years since I've felt the desire to own a contemporary series, but I'm so in love with this season I'd buy it first day.
The more I think about it the more I agree with what @TheSharkFromJaws said above
Odessa where Laura/Carrie is when Coop finds her... Greek meaning of Odessa: full of wrath. Feminine form of Odysseus
...which fits very well in two ways, Wrath of Mother of all evil and Twin Peaks is a Odyssey comparable with James Joyce - Ulysses
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/twin-peaks-return-questions-answered/
Some great theories there guys, the thing about Twin Peak is has always provoked discussion and peoples takes on what they have seen. The fact that we can individually interpret it differently and allow others to look it from an alternative perspective is the mark of a real work of genius on Lynch & Frost's part.
I know it was a collaboration and I might be wrong but I see more of Lynch than Frost in The Return personally.
It definitely feels more like FWWM & Mullholland Drive than the original series which had Lynch's weirdness coupled with the warmer moments which I imagine Frost bought to the table.
David Lynch...
'Dear Twitter Friends,
The stars turn and a time presents itself.'
December 5, 2017.
Blu-ray and DVD!
Early Christmas present me thinks...
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/david-lynch-pays-tribute-harry-232043565.html
Just bought the Kindle edition, it reveals alot
As usual, Lynch unravels his mysteries one small piece at the time, while simultaneously introducing new mysteries, some of which never get a solution. Lots of dreamlike sequences, and little interludes that have nothing at all to do with the main story.
But that last episode-what the hell, Lynch?
Fine season but definitely my least favourite part of the saga.