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CR has some questionable dialogue moments, the brilliant Vesper intro is almost scuppered by the ham fisted product placement and the little finger moment later on is cringe worthy.
Also as thrilling as it's staged the Miami sequence is generic and feels like a Raiders knock off but bar that it still remains the best this era has to offer so far.
My concern is more to do with their marketing in the respective films though. It's just too much. Rolex was never so obvious or 'needy'.
I concur.
Hi there @nikos78 -- Can you tell me what is meant by "internal and external rhythm of shots"...? Its an interesting turn-of-phrase, but I don't really understand what is meant by it. Thanks.
There's a glorious romanticism to it that has rarely been surpassed.
Indeed, I think the Craig era is notable for its law of diminishing returns.
Not even Connery was immune to the phenomenon. Roger Moore and Tim Dalton are the exceptions.
CR is still in my top 4. But for your consideration, I offer up the following scene.
Note the awful MacGyver-like closeup, following Bond's somersault, and then the extreme close-up of the antique speaker, because we all need to be reminded of where the siren is coming from, and then the scene ends with cringe-worthy art direction--fake, painted skies and fake painted trees. It is indeed that bad.
Despite what some are saying, CR is far from perfect and Campbell is not God. LOL
The Dune talk starts around 10:15.
Granted I believe this interview was recorded before he confirmed he was also in talks with the Bond producers over Bond 25.
I hate to speculate but 2049 was just so good I'm not able to stop myself; I think there's strong potential for Villeneuve to sign on for Bond 25 next. That gives a few months of quiet and pre-production before jumping into another movie this year, and it also gives him a creative break from his back-to-back sci-fi projects. This also gives him time to "meditate" (as he calls it) on adapting Dune so that he is better prepared for convincing a studio to give him the (likely) massive budget Dune is going to require.
Of course the other stakeholders in the Dune movie may not be interested in waiting around, and I don't think he's going to give that movie up for anything, even Bond.
Again, I'm focused on distributor news before anything else, but I like to imagine there is a fair argument that the Villeneuve talk is probably serious.
Ultimately I think for better or worse, this is the course the Craig films are set on now.
Lets just hope when Bond 26 comes around and the role is recast we can get a nice, classic style, fun adventure.
CR is indeed the best of Craig. But sometimes I think we forget SF. Perhaps it's not Craig's best, but it is at least the biggest competitor to CR in terms of quality, originality, cinematography, story and characters. I know SF is not so popular in here. But fact is, SF is almost as critically acclaimed outside this forum, especially in comparison to CR. So, SF is not better than CR, but it still is a close fight.
I think Skyfall is fairly popular on here still.
It certainly isn't one of my favourites, and pales in comparison to CR but you will find far more people on here that agree with you than you think
Maybe in 20 years I'll look at it more critically and like some of the films I loved as a kid ( this my 40th anniversary as a fan) I might not see it so highly who knows.
My recent watch of it I looked at it more critically than I have before, the score is unmemorable, Harris inconsistent performance also the flaws. The plot holes and also the similarity to Nolan's Bat trilogy but I still find it thrilling to watch.
As for DV signing on, I'm due to see BR 2049 at 16:30 in IMAX today and I'm so excited. Considering myself a big fan of the man's output and not thinking he's dropped a stinker yet, the idea of him directing Bond 25 is likely to change my attempt to temper my expectations for SPECTRE's follow up due to my reaction to that film.
Denis does not sign on unless he's entirely happy with the script and said that he wouldn't have done 2049 if it hadn't of compelled him.
I think it's safe to say that he certainly would have passed on SP considering the state it was at when Mendes started shooting it.
Craig I'm sure has not come back to go out on a standalone entry. I think he's been shown an outline of something that will follow on, bring back Waltz at the least and likely other cast member of SP possibly.
Now if this is the case and DV does take up the job I look at this as a real indication that they got their act together much more confidently and Denis while continuing the story will bring something new to the table.
I think it is safe to say that it will be quite serious and a darker entry to bring Craig's era to an end but I'd rather see something compelling that DC can get his teeth into dramatically because the attempts to make him more light hearted and flippant doesn't work.
It would be very odd for him to come back and just make his last shout a classic standalone entry with all bells and whistles like some would like, infact I think it's highly unlikely.
I think if you've had enough of this woven approach of all his entries you might as well write this film off and just accept that it will be more of this story.
I do agree that the next Bond should not go down this approach and we should get more independent films but I also don't want EON taking notes from other spy franchises like Kingsman & MI and make the films OTT or start making A to B travelogues.
How they go after Bond 25 will indeed be very interesting but I certainly don't want anything like the more OTT Moore entries or TND, TWINE & DAD happening.
I'm afraid I'm not one of those wanting them revisting old ground just to appease the fans desire for nostalgia and familiarity.
Originality and SF in the same sentence simply don't fit together.
I’m really not sure what Sony was expecting. The original Blade Runner, classic it may be, was also considered a flop back in its day. Traditionally, heady high-concept science fiction have never been huge blockbusters unless you’ve got blockbuster names behind it like Nolan or Cameron.
The talks are definitely serious. Bambigoye doesn't normally get it wrong. Yes, I think if there is any chance he will lose Dune on account of Bond then Bond is a no-go. Dune is his baby and he recognizes the potential in it. So Bond will have to be ready to go before he accepts it. No screw ups like with SP in the back end.
That will be down to Babs. I don't have my hopes up.
I'm of the impression that SF is actually more acclaimed outside of the die hard forums. It is Craig's GF. The film that took him into a different league box office wise. CR is his DN. Critically acclaimed and career defining, but not a phenomenon.
The interesting thing about SF is that it felt fresh for a Bond film (even though it was quite derivative from a narrative perspective). It is a triumph of visual film making and atmosphere building. A sleight of hand.
Anyways! I am guessing Blofeld escapes and Madeline dies in Craig’s last film. You can’t just introduce Blofeld and have him drive off into the sunset with Madeline. What would the next movie even be like without Blofeld? Would Madeline just follow him around? It’s implied he basically quit.
Pretty sure she dies and he escapes so Bond is forced back into service. They really have an opportunity here. Although with P&W it’s always a hit or miss. Sometimes they have good stories other times it’s just so cringey and bad.
Yeah, but I think this was one of those movies studios green light for 1. Asia, and 2. artistic credibility and maybe a few technical Oscars (which BR2049 should handedly win, imo).
I also agree that it is more likely Denis will be looking for something more secure than a Dune adaptation, but then again, his other artsy and sci-fi stuff has been successful, so he may be able to argue out of BR2049 slightly stalling.
As for this Casino Royale discussion, which again should not be in this thread, I will say that I think it's fairly obvious the Spectre connections to the previous three Craig movies was just Sam Mendes trying to quickly do his own The Dark Knight, which is a shame.
Regarding BR2049: I'm quite glad they didn't attempt to pander to current audience expectations, but rather made an interesting and meaningful sci fi film. The only real issue with it is that one must see the first one to really appreciate the second, and many of today's generation have not, and likely never will.
And by the phrase "made for the fans" I don't need just shoving Easter Eggs and telling pretty much the same story as the first. They actually have brought original plot points in it that are new to the IP yet stayed true to the source material. Unlike the Star Wars films under Disney.
I'm hearing BR2049 is boring as hell at nearly 3 hrs, with most of the film close-ups of Ryan's face staring at nothing. Harrison Ford is apparently in the film at some point, but you may need someone to wake up you just before Ford appears. I hope this isn't accurate as it's a bit disappointing. I still plan to see it this week.
Perhaps B25 can be 3 hours long with mostly shots of Daniel staring into space? That could really cut the budget back if necessary. Joking aside, at this point I just want a director announced, and the ball to start rolling on Bond. It would be nice if B25 ran around the 2 hour mark or a bit over. I miss the days when I could catch a new Bond showing in the morning then again in the late afternoon/early evening and still have time for other things in between.
I don't know who you're hearing about BR2049 being "boring" from but 1. I'd say the determining factor for its pace is whether or not you were comfortable with the pace of the first Blade Runner and 2. you should go watch the movie for yourself and not just echo wherever you get your takes from, especially in comparison to the general critical reviews of the film.