Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 17,756
    Of course Superman can be James Bond. One part doesn't exclude the other.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    He was a Superman
    He had a super moustache
    He'll be a super agent ;-)
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited July 2018 Posts: 8,216
    Ford played Indiana Jones and Han Solo and Jack Ryan.

    Stallone played Rocky and Rambo.

    Cruise is doing Ethan Hunt and Maverick

    Of course an actor can successfully portray yup Ivonic characters. That is a non-issue
  • Posts: 19,339
    talos7 wrote: »
    Ford played Indiana Jones and Han Solo and Jack Ryan.

    Stallone played Rocky and Rambo.

    Cruise is doing Ethan Hunt and Maverick

    Of course an actor can successfully portray yup Ivonic characters. That is a non-issue

    Cruise is doing Jack Reacher as well,even !

  • edited July 2018 Posts: 3,333
    @RC7. I respect you and the vast majority of your opinions, but I think it’s you, in this instance, that’s being a tad melodramatic over this “rape” comment of Cavill’s. In all honesty I could care less, too, about his comment or Connery’s giving a woman a good slap, for that matter. But did Connery handle it any better afterwards? The answer to that is a resounding no. What Connery said caused a far bigger backlash and sensational column inches than Cavill’s personal observation ever did. Personally, I can understand where he’s coming from in these present day McCarthy witch-hunt times as an unmarried man in Hollywood. You’re damned before you’ve even been given a hearing. But again, it’s not anything to detract from Cavill as a possible Bond candidate. If you don’t like him as an actor, fine. State your case. But let’s not judge him solely on a couple of facile Tweets.

    By the way, I’ve just seen Cavill in Fallout and I think he gave a truly solid performance. Nothing wooden or two-dimensional about it. Did I think of Superman whilst watching him @Pierce2Daniel? Nah, I’m an adult and understand that he’s an actor playing a different role. Just like when I watched Harrison Ford play Jack Ryan, I didn’t immediately think of Indiana Jones or Han Solo. If you can’t separate the actor from the character he’s playing then you’re either a kindergarten toddler or you’re an adult in need of some psychiatric help. Plus, you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel when you have to cite Jezebel.com for reasons why he’s unsuitable for Bond or Superman.
  • edited July 2018 Posts: 4,409
    talos7 wrote: »
    Ford played Indiana Jones and Han Solo and Jack Ryan.

    Stallone played Rocky and Rambo.

    Cruise is doing Ethan Hunt and Maverick

    Of course an actor can successfully portray yup Ivonic characters. That is a non-issue

    Sadly, you are wrong.

    Ford played Indiana Jones and Han Solo and Jack Ryan.
    Both Indy and Solo were original characters that Ford played originated. There was no expectation that the roles would become iconic. It's not as though someone else played those roles first and Ford is another actor playing the role.

    Stallone played Rocky and Rambo.
    Once again, both are ogrinial characters that became iconic due to Stallone's performances

    Cruise is doing Ethan Hunt and Maverick
    Hunt was an original character in the Mission Impossible films and Maverick was an original character that became iconic as a result of Cruise.

    The question here is entirely different. Both Bond and Superman are well-established characters.

    By your logic, we could have had Harrison Ford play Bond.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    You powers of manipulative rationalization are amazing, but in the end, you are wrong; those are all valid examples of an actor playing multiple iconic characters no matter their origins.
    You’re putting out smoke
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    talos7 wrote: »
    You’re putting out smoke
    Isn't he always?
  • Posts: 15,124
    Actually Rambo was not an original character as First Blood was a novel first. Great book by the way. If we were to adapt it faithfully this time (I'd be all in favor of it), there'll be loads of fanboys whining that this Rambo is not the true Stallone one.

    But I digress. I agree with @Pierce2Daniel : you can't compare a role that has been made iconic with one that is already established as iconic. I'd also add re Tom Cruise that many of his roles are basically vehicles for the iconic actor that he is.
  • Posts: 17,756
    I get your points, @Pierce2Daniel, but I can't agree with you on the idea that one major role (played by others before or not) automatically excludes another role. In the ever changing world of cinema we're bound to see some actors taking on more than one major role - and one day Bond might be one of those.

    Christian Bale is another example, as he's been mentioned here more than a few times. By your logic, he can't play Bond because he's played Batman. I don't think anyone would have raised an eyebrow had he been cast.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    In the end, a character’s origins mean nothing to the overwhelming majority of the movie going public; they see an actor in a role. Dissecting what made that character iconic is irrelevant.
    Cavill playing Superman has no effect on his being accepted as Bond .
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    talos7 wrote: »
    Ford played Indiana Jones and Han Solo and Jack Ryan.

    Stallone played Rocky and Rambo.

    Cruise is doing Ethan Hunt and Maverick

    Of course an actor can successfully portray yup Ivonic characters. That is a non-issue

    Sadly, you are wrong.

    Ford played Indiana Jones and Han Solo and Jack Ryan.
    Both Indy and Solo were original characters that Ford played originated. There was no expectation that the roles would become iconic. It's not as though someone else played those roles first and Ford is another actor playing the role.

    Stallone played Rocky and Rambo.
    Once again, both are ogrinial characters that became iconic due to Stallone's performances

    Cruise is doing Ethan Hunt and Maverick
    Hunt was an original character in the Mission Impossible films and Maverick was an original character that became iconic as a result of Cruise.

    The question here is entirely different. Both Bond and Superman are well-established characters.

    By your logic, we could have had Harrison Ford play Bond.

    He was considered after Moore, as was Christopher Reeve.
  • Posts: 4,409

    I get your points, @Pierce2Daniel, but I can't agree with you on the idea that one major role (played by others before or not) automatically excludes another role. In the ever changing world of cinema we're bound to see some actors taking on more than one major role - and one day Bond might be one of those.

    Christian Bale is another example, as he's been mentioned here more than a few times. By your logic, he can't play Bond because he's played Batman. I don't think anyone would have raised an eyebrow had he been cast.

    I do agree with you.

    Also, of course I understand that actors play multiple roles and those parts can be regarded as "iconic" characters. However, there is a big difference between orginating an iconic character on screen and taking the mantle of an iconic character.

    Indiana Jones and Harrison Ford are synonymous with on another. Making an Indy film without him would be a struggle. Meanwhile, the Bond role can recycle through actors because it is the character that is iconic.

    However, speaking from a commercial perspective there is an evident issue of brand identity when hiring an actor associated with another character. I mean Superman isn't an ordinary role, it's a big deal and once you take a part like that it may be difficult for a studio to want to attach another series to that actor. Especially if that actor hasn't proven successful in that other franchise (Man of Steel was projected to do better, BvS was supposed to hit a $1b but made less money than Spectre and Justice League was a legitimate flop).

    Finally, Eon will not want to share Cavill with Warner Bros. If Eon wanted Cavill then they'd want him to ditch Warner. There would be plenty of studio types and scheduling issues that would stop him playing both roles.

    If Cavill was to resign from the Superman gig, then I'd be the first to admit that he was a legitimate contender for the 007 role. Currently, he is not.


  • RC7RC7
    edited July 2018 Posts: 10,512
    bondsum wrote: »
    @RC7. I respect you and the vast majority of your opinions, but I think it’s you, in this instance, that’s being a tad melodramatic over this “rape” comment of Cavill’s. In all honesty I could care less, too, about his comment or Connery’s giving a woman a good slap, for that matter. But did Connery handle it any better afterwards? The answer to that is a resounding no. What Connery said caused a far bigger backlash and sensational column inches than Cavill’s personal observation ever did. Personally, I can understand where he’s coming from in these present day McCarthy witch-hunt times as an unmarried man in Hollywood. You’re damned before you’ve even been given a hearing. But again, it’s not anything to detract from Cavill as a possible Bond candidate. If you don’t like him as an actor, fine. State your case. But let’s not judge him solely on a couple of facile Tweets.

    Believe me, first and foremost I’m judging him as an actor and for me he doesn’t cut the mustard. The key thing is charisma and for such a handsome bloke he’s found wanting. It’s Blonde Bimbo syndrome. There’s just nothing else there beyond the facade. Everything is ‘acted’ and it’s all so one note.

    If, for example, he were a sub-par actor (which he is, relatively speaking) in possession of some genuine charm and wit and presence (think Jason Statham) then I could buy into him.

    EDIT: He wouldn’t play Bond while playing Superman. EON wouldn’t have it. End of discussion.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2018 Posts: 5,185

    Finally, Eon will not want to share Cavill with Warner Bros. If Eon wanted Cavill then they'd want him to ditch Warner. There would be plenty of studio types and scheduling issues that would stop him playing both roles.

    If Cavill was to resign from the Superman gig, then I'd be the first to admit that he was a legitimate contender for the 007 role. Currently, he is not.

    Well i agree for once.
    EoN will not want to share him with WB, no matter what.
    But at the moment i don't even know if Man of Steel 2 is a go.
    Henry seems to have plenty of time to do other films like Mission Impossible.
    But anything can happen in the next 3-4 years, and DC is not in a healthy place right now.


    Edit: This quote is from last November:
    “There’s a wonderful opportunity to tell the Superman story,” Cavill continued, revealing that his current contract with DC and Warner Bros. runs for one more movie.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    talos7 wrote: »
    You powers of manipulative rationalization are amazing, but in the end, you are wrong; those are all valid examples of an actor playing multiple iconic characters no matter their origins.
    You’re putting out smoke

    You are missing the point. How many franchsies is Daniel caurrenlty in. How many was Brosnan in? Dalton? Moore?....
    The answer is none. Apart from a few films here or there it’s not like they were committed to another triple A movie series
  • edited July 2018 Posts: 12,837
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    @RC7. I respect you and the vast majority of your opinions, but I think it’s you, in this instance, that’s being a tad melodramatic over this “rape” comment of Cavill’s. In all honesty I could care less, too, about his comment or Connery’s giving a woman a good slap, for that matter. But did Connery handle it any better afterwards? The answer to that is a resounding no. What Connery said caused a far bigger backlash and sensational column inches than Cavill’s personal observation ever did. Personally, I can understand where he’s coming from in these present day McCarthy witch-hunt times as an unmarried man in Hollywood. You’re damned before you’ve even been given a hearing. But again, it’s not anything to detract from Cavill as a possible Bond candidate. If you don’t like him as an actor, fine. State your case. But let’s not judge him solely on a couple of facile Tweets.

    Believe me, first and foremost I’m judging him as an actor and for me he doesn’t cut the mustard. The key thing is charisma and for such a handsome bloke he’s found wanting. It’s Blonde Bimbo syndrome. There’s just nothing else there beyond the facade. Everything is ‘acted’ and it’s all so one note.

    If, for example, he were a sub-par actor (which he is, relatively speaking) in possession of some genuine charm and wit and presence (think Jason Statham) then I could buy into him.

    EDIT: He wouldn’t play Bond while playing Superman. EON wouldn’t have it. End of discussion.

    That's just it for me. Looks the part but nothing else. If we compare him to Brosnan (who's similar in the sense that they both had the perfect pop culture image of Bond sort of look) the difference is night and day imo. No charm, presence or charisma there. He had the chance to convince me in UNCLE and he just didn't. Put Pierce in there and he would have at least made it enjoyable like he did his weaker Bond films. I thought Cavill was just bland, almost robotic.

    Not sure why everyone is suddenly advocating him but luckily I genuinely don't think Barbara would ever cast him, Superman or not. Just doesn't seem her kind of actor at all, thank god.
  • Posts: 348
    talos7 wrote: »
    You powers of manipulative rationalization are amazing, but in the end, you are wrong; those are all valid examples of an actor playing multiple iconic characters no matter their origins.
    You’re putting out smoke

    But he's not wrong is he?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    talos7 wrote: »
    You powers of manipulative rationalization are amazing, but in the end, you are wrong; those are all valid examples of an actor playing multiple iconic characters no matter their origins.
    You’re putting out smoke

    You are missing the point. How many franchsies is Daniel caurrenlty in. How many was Brosnan in? Dalton? Moore?....
    The answer is none. Apart from a few films here or there it’s not like they were committed to another triple A movie series

    Countering with these examples, and endless others, does nothing to prove that an actor can’t play multiple, even iconic, roles,
    That seems to be the point you’re missing.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited July 2018 Posts: 8,216
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    You powers of manipulative rationalization are amazing, but in the end, you are wrong; those are all valid examples of an actor playing multiple iconic characters no matter their origins.
    You’re putting out smoke

    But he's not wrong is he?

    Without a doubt he is.

    This has gotten to be the equivalent of a political discussion where minds are never going to be changed. I’m moving on from this one . ;)
  • Posts: 348
    talos7 wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    You powers of manipulative rationalization are amazing, but in the end, you are wrong; those are all valid examples of an actor playing multiple iconic characters no matter their origins.
    You’re putting out smoke

    But he's not wrong is he?

    Without a doubt he his

    But those were original characters that played to their star status (or made them stars).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    Meaningless when it comes to the question of an actor playing two iconic characters. It doesn’t matter if the chicken or egg came first.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Buster Crabbe played Tarzan, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    That's the same problem with Craig. He doesn't draw you in. Usually the next actors will fill in the weaknesses of the departing actor. One example is Moore leaving the and being replaced by Dalton, who brought in the hard edge that Moore never liked to portray.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    I think Henry cavill would make a good bond but is he too broad and strong to be bond. He looks more like a henchman to me. Or am I wrong. Craig is tough and strong but he isn’t a body builder like Henry Apears to be.
  • Posts: 6,601
    He certaily is't for those, who find DC to be too buff.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    Like Hemsworth, Cavill traines and eats a great deal for the role of Superman; both are much less bulky when not in Superhero mode. If chosen, he would come in at s Bond appropriate size and weight.
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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    Yes! Indeed
  • Posts: 1,661
    Buster Crabbe played Tarzan, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.

    Either he was greedy or they didn't have many actors to choose from back then!


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