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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Are we all certain that John Hodge has now been fired?

    There is surely no way that Eon have retained his services. I think the great irony is that if they want to make the December start date, they'll have to ask P&W back. They are Eon's writers. It's hilarious as their old script was tossed out for Hodge's draft. Now they'll be the ones to fix the script to Eon's specification.

    This whole 'Danny Boyle experiment' has been such a farce. Personally, I think if Eon want an auetur they need to leave them to get on with it. You don't hire Danny Boyle and then get annoyed when he won't listen to you. Filmmakers like Boyle and Mendes have individualistic sensibilities. That's the reason you hire them!

    I hope the film is delayed a year and Daniel Craig walks. Then this guy can play 007...

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  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
    Posts: 464
    So ironic that it suddenly went from being an exciting time to be a bond fan to a dark worrisome time.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Remington wrote: »
    At this point, they might as well recast and go for 2020.

    Please no! I can't wait any longer!
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    Escalus5 wrote: »

    Dalton and Glen actually feuded toward the end of production on LTK. They never worked together on CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS: THE DISCOVERY; Dalton left the production when the Salkinds hired Glen without consulting him (Dalton had stipulated in his contract that he would have a say in who directed).

    But yes, Craig may be a big part of the problem here. He did not get along with Campbell (and could well have vetoed the idea of inviting him back for QOS) or Mendes.

    Okay, so I did not remeber it correctly, thanks for clearing that up. But, yes, Glen was not among the candidates for the third Dalton-Bond, which never was to be. George Pan Cosmatos and John Landis (!) were into talks, before the MGM desaster, right?
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,848
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Are we all certain that John Hodge has now been fired?

    There is surely no way that Eon have retained his services. I think the great irony is that if they want to make the December start date, they'll have to ask P&W back. They are Eon's writers. It's hilarious as their old script was tossed out for Hodge's draft. Now they'll be the ones to fix the script to Eon's specification.

    This whole 'Danny Boyle experiment' has been such a farce. Personally, I think if Eon want an auetur they need to leave them to get on with it. You don't hire Danny Boyle and then get annoyed when he won't listen to you. Filmmakers like Boyle and Mendes have individualistic sensibilities. That's the reason you hire them!

    I hope the film is delayed a year and Daniel Craig walks. Then this guy can play 007...

    idris-as-bond-ntfsv.jpg

    Thanks for the nightmare fuel
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,474
    I don't think Craig is going to walk before making Bond 25, but I've been wrong before. Depends on just how bad things are I guess. Even if it is delayed a year or so I think he will stay on - he probably is already contracted or something. That being said, even as a huge fan of Craig's Bond, I'll be ready to move on from this era once his final movie is done. Honestly, post-SF, things have been a mess. We need big shakeups I'm thinking; things have not been handled well the last few years at all.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    A new actor won't make me enthusiastic if Barbara Broccoli is still producing. Spectre was the start of a new dark age in Bond movie history, but one day Broccoli will leave the franchise, and Bond will rise again.
  • MooreFunMooreFun
    Posts: 385
    GetCarter wrote: »

    But it isn’t hard to see a scenario where Daniel Craig was progressively threatened by Boyle’s ideas. A younger, arguably better looking, physically imposing villain might have been more problematic than people think.

    So Boyle was wrong from the start and in Daniel Craig we have a painfully sensitive, cantankerous actor-producer with little left in the tank. He’s collected so many barnacles over the journey that it’s little wonder a probing, challenging director was cut.

    All up, it’s obvious Bond needs to extract himself from the angsty, heavy-handed web Craig has (in part) created for himself. Especially when market competitors are winning plaudits for simply being adrenalin soaked gut-punches.

    I always thought B25 represented a high degree of difficulty. The chances of Craig going out on a high were just diminished further. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he walked. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed his interpretation of Bond but in all honesty I’d be content if Spectre was his Waterloo.

    Amen.
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    I hope the film is delayed a year and Daniel Craig walks. Then this guy can play 007...

    idris-as-bond-ntfsv.jpg

    Even if you assume a generous three year schedule going forward, you'd have Elba starting his tenure at 46 or 47.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,638
    People need to realize that he won't be James Bond. However, as Dynamite have done in their stories, he could make a great M after Ralph Fiennes leaves. Which could be soon. Speaking of Dynamite, as I've stated on that thread, we may not have a possible movie security, but we do have two James Bond story arcs to read until the movie comes out. Dynamite has had better quality than EON or IFP has lately, that’s for sure. They seem to understand the characters and the situations better at the present moment. As they cross the two main types of James Bond together.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    *sigh* Why can't anything ever go smoothly with Bond these days?

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    I'd say there is very little chance that DC walks. No way he would want to go out like that, his era ending over "creative differences." That hurts everyone involved: himself, Babs, EON, MGM, and the entire franchise.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    SharkBait wrote: »
    *sigh* Why can't anything ever go smoothly with Bond these days?
    The short answer is that because Barabara Broccoli is running the show.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    Posts: 1,661
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Danny Boyle left the film over a dispute in casting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/22/danny-boyle-quits-bond-dispute-films-russian-villain/

    Boyle wanted to cast Tomasz Kot as the villain but Craig vetoed it. So Boyle bailed.

    Eon are also unhappy with the overly political tone of the script and its Russia themes. Though, this is disputed.

    Apparently, Boyle was sacked.

    It seems as though Barbara never wanted John Hodge on the movie. They may go back to the P&W script which is described as more traditional.

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    I find it hard to believe a seasoned pro director like Boyle would quit a 200 million dollar type budget Bond film just because one of his actor suggestions was vetoed. That sounds a ludicrous reason to jump ship. My guess is he had some panic attack, had nightmare thoughts about how he can keep the film on budget, how to deal with all the other units working on the film. Let's not forget, he said he didn't feel he was right for these sort of films.

    "I like watching big films but I don't think I'm necessarily good at making them. Then I thought, 'No, you shouldn't think like that. The unknown is exciting. The fear is very important. If you repeat yourself you don't ask yourself enough questions, you don't feel the fear about what you're doing because you feel you know what you're doing.

    I feel this quote is very telling. He revealed a potential weakness. The guy is only human. If the pressure got too much he might have had concluded: "this isn't worth it."

    My gut feeling/wild guess is he quit because the scale of the film was too much and/or he couldn't face having Barbara, MG or the studio constantly hassling him with revisions to the script or other creative choices. He is not a big budget director, he admitted it himself, so reality probably hit him smack in the face. "Oh no, this is real, come December I will have to commit to seven months filming this big film. Do I need it, can I deliver? Will it make me happy?"

    My guess is he realized, "no, I don't need it, perhaps I can deliver it, but no, it won't make me happy."



  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    I think this will not delay the film much, if at all. I am merely guessing, but I'll go ahead and guess we have a named director within three weeks.

    I'm guessing the film will be delayed another year, the Hodge script abandoned, and Craig will eventually walk.

    Is that wishful thinking? Maybe not you but our friend Mendes is simply chomping at the bit that this is an opportunity for Turner to get cast.

    I think it's unlikely they'll abandon the film, a new director will be found and they'll be up and running and with Hodge's script in play.
    peter wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    My instinct is that they will push ahead with the Hodge script, with directorial changes, as and when they hire someone. As far as I’m aware production design is rolling, although not advanced and they are in the early stages of casting.

    Based on nothing but instinct I do wonder whether Boyle was overwhelmed by the scale and perhaps felt unable to accommodate the producers’ requests. It happens. Balancing your creative vision with an avalanche of other creative and commercial obligations is no small feat.

    Whether Boyle walked or was ‘let go’, I’ve every faith Barbara made the call for the right reasons, so can we cool it on the ‘EON are cancer’ vibe?

    Anything could happen right now, intel is scarce. I’m waiting to hear a little more before speculating further.

    Full agreement; I also feel it’ll be the Hodge script (perhaps with a few doctors on board to do the polishes)...

    And yes, wondered if a director like Boyle was overwhelmed with the scale...

    Nice to see some sanity from you both, some of the comments here are a mixture of those going hysterical and thinking it's all over and Craig will walk or a delay and the release put back and those who are pleased and hope this possibly sabotages Daniel's return.

    I agree with you both it will be Hodge's script with a polish, I hope not P&W though, the last time they took a script and polished it rather than them being polished was SPECTRE and I hate the film.

    I know it could have been much worse without them stepping in although I don't want to consider how much more terrible it could have been but I think it's time we said goodbye to these 2 and we got new blood in for the polish.

    I don't imagine we'll have too long to wait on a replacement though, I think this is still heading for it's original schedule till something different gets said.

    So lets just wait for an anouncement before chucking our dummies out the pram.
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
    Posts: 189
    Jeez Panchito Pistoles - were you force fed broccoli as a child and vowed revenge on anything that bears that name?

  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
    Posts: 1,021
    Quite a surprise to hear that Danny Boyle has left due to "creative differences"

    I can imagine the EON meeting


    BB : So Danny. We are still waiting for you to hire a DP so we can move ahead.

    DB: Well Barbara. I was thinking of shooting the whole thing myself on a GOPRO that I just ordered from Amazon. Hasn't turned up yet.

    DC: Babs get SAM on the phone right now! I need a word!

    While I would love Sam Mendes to return to save the day I don't think its likely. He's currently in pre-production on his WW1 film for Amblin (distributed by Universal) thats starts production in April for a Dec 2019 release.





  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    mybudgetbond wrote: »
    Jeez Panchito Pistoles - were you force fed broccoli as a child and vowed revenge on anything that bears that name?

    +1 post of the day.

    I am quite optimistic that they will find someone soon and sort everything out. This announcement can lead to something better, if Boyle didn't want/could commit then it's a good thing he left and that he did so 3 months before production began. It had been worse if this situation came up even later on.

    Buckle up boys and girls, I am sure we will hear something new very soon!
  • darrenrdarrenr
    Posts: 84
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Are we all certain that John Hodge has now been fired?

    There is surely no way that Eon have retained his services. I think the great irony is that if they want to make the December start date, they'll have to ask P&W back. They are Eon's writers. It's hilarious as their old script was tossed out for Hodge's draft. Now they'll be the ones to fix the script to Eon's specification.

    This whole 'Danny Boyle experiment' has been such a farce. Personally, I think if Eon want an auetur they need to leave them to get on with it. You don't hire Danny Boyle and then get annoyed when he won't listen to you. Filmmakers like Boyle and Mendes have individualistic sensibilities. That's the reason you hire them!

    I hope the film is delayed a year and Daniel Craig walks. Then this guy can play 007...

    idris-as-bond-ntfsv.jpg

    I rarely, rarely comment on here and enjoy watching those who contribute. However this post just pushed me. Can people stop pushing this idea of Elba, a jumped up, poorly skilled, egotistical and social-media abusing second rate "actor" who on a basic level is just too old to play the role. Message ends.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,474
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/james-bond-25-scriptwriter-leaves-13122634

    Not sure how legitimate this is.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,409
    The Sun are now running an 'exclusive' which breaks down why Danny Boyle left the production.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7079083/daniel-craig-danny-boyle-clashes/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:TwLink,noimage:Question:ShowbizandTV

    - Danny Boyle grew frustrated after numerous clashes with Daniel Craig.
    - Apparently, Daniel Craig is a diva and can't get on with anybody. Supposedly, his relationship with Mendes entirely broke down on SP.
    - the film will be delayed till 2020 and because Craig is growing restless, he'll probably resign too.

    Personally, I don't think Craig is as much of an asshole as this article suggests but I think there were clear clashes across the board, but Craig is only the actor onboard, Barbara and Michael keep him in shape. Becasue Craig is the public face of Eon, he's the guy taking the battering at the moment.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    And this is why the lead actor shouldn't be a producer.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited August 2018 Posts: 17,759
    FoxRox wrote: »
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/james-bond-25-scriptwriter-leaves-13122634

    Not sure how legitimate this is.

    They are hardly reliable when it comes to football rumours (transfer windows, etc.). Wouldn't necessarily trust what they write.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
    Posts: 464
    Somebody outta message baz and see if he has any insight
  • CowleyCowley
    Posts: 486
    I think it would be pretty petulant on both sides to either walk off a film over a casting disagreement or to sack someone over it. On films of this nature casting would always be a compromise between the director and the producers. Maybe it just became apparent that this wasn't a way Boyle wished to work.

    It's a disheartening time to be a Bond fan. Craig got off to such a great start with CR but each subsequent film has been blighted by one problem or another and the gaps wider and wider. I still wish for a fifth Craig film and for him to leave on a high if possible but nerves will be strained until the cameras roll.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    talos7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    PeterGreenhill wrote: »
    If Craig leaves then forget 3rd December for start of shooting. Even if he stays can they knock the Purvis/Wade script into shape and have a competent director in place to meet the 3rd December deadline? Also the production has been geared around the Hodges script, the Purvis/Wade script is unrelated..........big change of direction for the production.

    But do we want that?
    At the end of the day I want a good bond film and this whole rushing thing can’t be can it?
    talos7 wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Well, Hemsworth can't act, can't carry a movie, and has no box office draw if he's not playing Thor.

    Other than that -- no, I have no doubts.

    Obviously we have different appraisals. Lol.

    Isn’t he Australian?
    We know how that went last time...
    You are kidding. right? So ALL Australians are the same? It was because he was an Aussie that Lazenby didn’t ultimately work out?
    Actually, considering his virtual lack of any acting experience, he was quite good; had he done more films, he would have grown into the rol nicely.

    No but in the same way a black shouldn’t play bond, I don’t think an American/ Australian should either.

    Australia is in the commonwealth.

    So is Bangladesh.
    Doesn’t mean that the country should qualify for bond actors

    Britain is filled with suave British Asians. An Asian bond is more realistic than a black bond.
    Charlize Theron is an African American. Country of origin doesn’t always dictate appearance.

    A m e r I c a n
    ???????
    Yes

    Ugh, she’s not American
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited August 2018 Posts: 8,217
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    PeterGreenhill wrote: »
    If Craig leaves then forget 3rd December for start of shooting. Even if he stays can they knock the Purvis/Wade script into shape and have a competent director in place to meet the 3rd December deadline? Also the production has been geared around the Hodges script, the Purvis/Wade script is unrelated..........big change of direction for the production.

    But do we want that?
    At the end of the day I want a good bond film and this whole rushing thing can’t be can it?
    talos7 wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Well, Hemsworth can't act, can't carry a movie, and has no box office draw if he's not playing Thor.

    Other than that -- no, I have no doubts.

    Obviously we have different appraisals. Lol.

    Isn’t he Australian?
    We know how that went last time...
    You are kidding. right? So ALL Australians are the same? It was because he was an Aussie that Lazenby didn’t ultimately work out?
    Actually, considering his virtual lack of any acting experience, he was quite good; had he done more films, he would have grown into the rol nicely.

    No but in the same way a black shouldn’t play bond, I don’t think an American/ Australian should either.

    Australia is in the commonwealth.

    So is Bangladesh.
    Doesn’t mean that the country should qualify for bond actors

    Britain is filled with suave British Asians. An Asian bond is more realistic than a black bond.
    Charlize Theron is an African American. Country of origin doesn’t always dictate appearance.

    A m e r I c a n
    ???????
    Yes

    Ugh, she’s not American
    She is a naturalized American citizen.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charlize-theron-glad-to-be-a-us-citizen/

  • CowleyCowley
    Posts: 486
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    The Sun are now running an 'exclusive' which breaks down why Danny Boyle left the production.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7079083/daniel-craig-danny-boyle-clashes/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:TwLink,noimage:Question:ShowbizandTV

    - Danny Boyle grew frustrated after numerous clashes with Daniel Craig.
    - Apparently, Daniel Craig is a diva and can't get on with anybody. Supposedly, his relationship with Mendes entirely broke down on SP.
    - the film will be delayed till 2020 and because Craig is growing restless, he'll probably resign too.

    Personally, I don't think Craig is as much of an asshole as this article suggests but I think there were clear clashes across the board, but Craig is only the actor onboard, Barbara and Michael keep him in shape. Becasue Craig is the public face of Eon, he's the guy taking the battering at the moment.

    The media smelt blood after the wrist slitting comment and the recent (resurged) frenzy over the suggestion of Idris Elba hasn't helped. Onlookers and the media will generally be indifferent over who directs the film. Craig being a diva or pushing for a new and more radical casting for Bond is what will drive the narrative and sell their papers now.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    The Sun are now running an 'exclusive' which breaks down why Danny Boyle left the production.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7079083/daniel-craig-danny-boyle-clashes/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:TwLink,noimage:Question:ShowbizandTV

    - Danny Boyle grew frustrated after numerous clashes with Daniel Craig.
    - Apparently, Daniel Craig is a diva and can't get on with anybody. Supposedly, his relationship with Mendes entirely broke down on SP.
    - the film will be delayed till 2020 and because Craig is growing restless, he'll probably resign too.

    Personally, I don't think Craig is as much of an asshole as this article suggests but I think there were clear clashes across the board, but Craig is only the actor onboard, Barbara and Michael keep him in shape. Becasue Craig is the public face of Eon, he's the guy taking the battering at the moment.

    Sorry, I can't read the article as I'm about to watch Sam Mendes' Devil May Care which came out in 2015 according to The Sun.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2018 Posts: 15,718
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    PeterGreenhill wrote: »
    If Craig leaves then forget 3rd December for start of shooting. Even if he stays can they knock the Purvis/Wade script into shape and have a competent director in place to meet the 3rd December deadline? Also the production has been geared around the Hodges script, the Purvis/Wade script is unrelated..........big change of direction for the production.

    But do we want that?
    At the end of the day I want a good bond film and this whole rushing thing can’t be can it?
    talos7 wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Well, Hemsworth can't act, can't carry a movie, and has no box office draw if he's not playing Thor.

    Other than that -- no, I have no doubts.

    Obviously we have different appraisals. Lol.

    Isn’t he Australian?
    We know how that went last time...
    You are kidding. right? So ALL Australians are the same? It was because he was an Aussie that Lazenby didn’t ultimately work out?
    Actually, considering his virtual lack of any acting experience, he was quite good; had he done more films, he would have grown into the rol nicely.

    No but in the same way a black shouldn’t play bond, I don’t think an American/ Australian should either.

    Australia is in the commonwealth.

    So is Bangladesh.
    Doesn’t mean that the country should qualify for bond actors

    Britain is filled with suave British Asians. An Asian bond is more realistic than a black bond.
    Charlize Theron is an African American. Country of origin doesn’t always dictate appearance.

    A m e r I c a n
    ???????
    Yes

    Ugh, she’s not American

    'Charlize Theron (born 7 August 1975) is a South African and American actress and film producer.'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlize_Theron
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    Posts: 1,329
    What if Boyle approached Idris to be in the film (not playing bond obviously) and Everyone flipped? Lol
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