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Don't worry Living Royale, germanlady makes a habit of aggressively accusing other people of intolerance or going too far on threads specifically dedicated to discussing daft and amusing subjects like this. As I think I've said before, it's probably best for those who can't deal with a little bit of DC criticism to steer clear of these threads.
SC first and always, then: GL, DC, TD, RM, PB...
I would not have put GL after GOD ( a poster collegue's observation about SC), in 1980s, but since then I have watched OHMSS many times, and appreciated how GL who had had no acting experience fitted nicely into Bond role, after GOD left, a very difficult act to follow. TD was a good actor but the Bond role needed some one who was easy going with raised eyebrows at times metaphorically-speaking and TD was not that kind of actor. IMHO, DC has brought back SC's toughness ( I agree with Wilson the co-producer guy), and RM to me was excellent as the Saint in those days- I read Charteris ad Fleming before their novels were filmed, and hence the above ranking..
Exactly. And I think it's unfair how everybody who doesn't like Craig is "being negative" but then when I talk about how good Dalton is I'm "throwing him into everyones faces" To be honest I think she just can't get her head around the fact that Dalton is the better Bond ;)
I'm sure I will ;)
Your name is Chuck, and you have Dalton as your photo? Must be a Chuck Season 4 fan? I like you already.
I'm definitely a fan of Season 4, as well as the entire series (save for a few Season 5 episodes ;) ). Been a fan of Dalton even longer, as he's been my favorite Bond dating back to the first time I saw The Living Daylights sometime in the early 1990s, so needless to say I was quite pleased when they announced he was going to guest star on the show. :)
Best Bond: Sean Connery (in Dr No and FRWL as his portrayal of the character is darker. It becomes more light-hearted in the remainder of his Bond films)
2nd: Timothy Dalton
3rd: Daniel Craig (only slightly behind Dalton)
4th: Roger Moore
5th equal: George Lazenby and Pierce Brosnan
If Dr No and FRWL hadn't have been made and the series began with GF where Connery gave exactly the same performance, then I would rank Connery after Daniel Craig. I prefer the darker portrayals of the character that are in line with the literary man.
...or maybe equal with Craig. :)
Also these days anything with name recognition or any kind of franchise always seem to do good business whereas in the late 80's Bond was maybe seen as a bit old fashioned?
Did Dalton get the same kind of hype as Craig for his debut was Timbo promoted enough?
Earlier in the thread I discussed them as cinema stars and was told this thread is about which is the best Bond. Now it seems it's about which one interprets Ian Fleming's book character the best.
Well, Craig is the greater film actor, Craig is the greater Bond, but which one captures Fleming's character best? No idea, it's so long since I read the books! But I do remember that in Casino Royale Bond habitually called Vesper 'darling', a term neither of the above use, and the only Bond actor who did? Sir Rog.
and Broz at the very end of GE ;)
"darling...what could possibly go wrong hey?"
There was also Connery in GF:
"a little lower darling"
but it's pretty clear how much of a debt dan owes tim - see my previous post ref. john glen telling me that "tim dalton was ahead of his time"
i think i and a lot of people love tim dalton because he was the first bond i saw in the cinema - and his reign was so cruelly robbed by court room bs..
what i love about craig is that he's clearly much more into tim dalton's interpretation than he let's on - that bit at the beginning of Casino when he chastises his mi6 colleague for having his finger in his ear - is pure dalton/smithers
You're allowed, you grew up in the same town . . . most acceptable :)
Have a great day/evening.
1. Connery
2 (tie) Dalton and Craig
4. Moore
5. Lazenby
6. Brosnan
That is what I have been saying for the past 6 years. Glad you have the intelligence to see that!
Now I don't agree with this @identigraph. I see it the other way round. After a tired Moore gave up the role the world was desperate and ready for a new Bond. Media attention and the eyes of the world were truly focused. Dalton couldn't lose really.
Craig also came in on the back of a popular osutgoing Bond so no difference other than the fact everyone thought Brosnan had another film in him (Moore clearly didn't).
As for the franchise, Bond had little competition in the mid 80s compared to today so he had more advantage. And he was promoted just as much as Craig but without the world wide web to either help or hinder.
No, the success or otherwise of a new Bond will always come down to the film itself and the popularity of the actor in that film.
LTK didn't do very well because of bad advertising, the new 15 rating, and it was put up against Batman, Lethal Weapon, Indiana Jones, etc.
Die Hard was released a year later in 1988. The films in '87 were Leathel Weapon, Predator, Dirty Dancing and The Untouchables - pretty big movies. According to the US box office TLD did quite well but still came below all of these.
The sad truth is that most American's weren't all that fond of Timothy Dalton.
http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=1987&p=.htm
That's right, thanks. But still, even though he wasn't that popular in America, he still had lots of competition, and TLD did well enough. LTK had bad advertising, lots of competition and a higher rating.
I still maintain that, had he done it, GE would not have been as successful as it was - despite the long gap. Yeah I'm sure it would have done fairly well but it wouldn't have been the powerhouse it was IMO. Rog, who suffered a similar situation with TMWTGG and TSWLM was already hugely popular with the public in America thanks to The Saint and The Persuaders, hence he didn't need to try as hard to win them over. Thats what a lot of people forget.