Does E = mc² or mc³? The Science in Bond Films Thread

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I don't think he's got that completely right, as the floatation devices don't lose their boyancy in seconds with those holes from bullits in them. He seems to think their boyancy is gone instantly. There's another thing though. It seemed like those boyancy devices were there probably because the poles the house was build on were beeing replaced. Which most likely means not all of them were gone at once. Also, Archimedes' law only works when the bottom is completely surrounded by water (one of the reasons why a ship even slightly stranded is so hard to pull away), something that 'sn't the case as soon as there's even only one pole still standing.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Looking at a drawing as an example, it seems like some piles would be
    most of the height of the building above the waterline anyway.

    Well, using film logic and rationalizing what happened on screen there is a tipping point for buoyancy and once reached, the object quickly drops in the liquid. So releasing the air from the bags is key to the catastrophic failure shown on screen. [And the building itself--whether most or all of it is designed to be above the water--could leak like a sieve and quickly sink without the air bag supports or piles.]

    For the entire building to submerge up to the roof, considering the water depth, I expect some lower level(s) collapsed like an accordion. So where the house structure itself was in need of repair, that condition would just pile on you could say. And what's shown on screen indicates the piles aren't there--a fatal mistake by the renovation crew, but great for the story.

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    Some background on those houses.

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    How do buildings in Venice manage to stand
    despite being surrounded by water on all sides and
    being constructed over water?


    Answers
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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    So we have a few poles still standing all the way through the clay and the mud, making sure archimedes's law is not working. We have floatation devices there to help keep some of the weight up, as there are not enough poles to support the building. Bond shoots these devices which makes them deflate, which in turn destabelizes the building as some parts are properly supported and others aren't. The parts that aren't are collapsing (exterior shots seem to substantiate this). That's why the building doesn't go down in seconds, but does go down eventually as more and more poles give way due to the overload created.

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    I love this thread! :)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Is that insane Bond Spectre helicopter stunt even
    possible? The answer is yes, and here's why

    https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a660503/is-that-insane-bond-spectre-helicopter-stunt-even-possible-the-answer-is-yes-and-heres-why/

    A real, actual pilot gives us the lowdown on Bond's latest insane stunt.
    By Simon Reynolds | 28/07/2015 The question on everyone's lips: can the heli-stunt be executed for real? Digital Spy quizzed Roger Gower, an ATP rated helicopter pilot with over 10 years' commercial experience, on Bond, Mission: Impossible and more to get the lowdown on some of Hollywood's most death-defying aerial stunts. The verdict?
    Tom Cruise's helicopter in a tunnel really is a mission impossible
    https://youtu.be/4WaXuRWGrvw

    "The first Mission: Impossible's big finale stunt - a helicopter flying through the Channel tunnel - would've struggled because of turbulence. Drafts through each end of the tunnel, and drag from a moving train would really mess up the air. The possibility of hitting the walls is perhaps greater than is even obviously apparent. It would go beyond the pilot's skill level.

    "If the air is inconsistent there isn't going to be anything he can do to keep the ride smooth and the helicopter off the concrete. That was never going to end well for the helicopter."

    And using a helicopter 'as a weapon' is really dumb
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    https://youtu.be/r4IBPd7-LlQ

    "The Italian Job had a helicopter chase scene where Steve's helicopter follows Charlie's Mini into a car park. The car park doesn't pose the same problems as a tunnel because there are open sides where the air can free flow - and there's more space. Using the tail rotor as a weapon against the car was a questionable decision, though.

    "While the main rotor of a helicopter can usually withstand an impact with a bird or a small branch without damage, the tail rotor is more fragile because it is smaller, lighter and with an rpm usually 5 or 6 times that of the main rotor. When it hits something hard, like a car, it will be ruined instantly. With no tail rotor a helicopter will have no directional control - beyond that provided by the aerodynamic shape of the helicopter, only effective at speed.

    "When you see video footage of helicopters spinning, it is because the tail rotor is damaged. A key focus for a helicopter pilot therefore is protecting the tail and keeping it clear of obstacles and obstructions. This makes the idea of a helicopter being used as the pilot uses it in that scene unrealistic I think. All he was doing there was disabling himself and ruining his helicopter with no realistic chance of any upside."

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    well the Bolkow used in the film is a military helicopter and anyway the flying was all done for real. An underappreciated stunt for sure.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I should have posted one of the Red Bull helicopter videos earlier, more amazing movements.

    Aerobatic Helicopter tricks with Chuck Aaron


    Have to wonder where pilot Chuck Aaron gets his inspiration.

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    Wing Commander Ken Wallis
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    Top Ten Most Extreme Helicopter Pilots

  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    I was aware when first viewing SP that the barrel roll was real and was done with the repainted Red Bull chopper. Incredible stunt. The question I’d like to see explored is the odds of a Walther PPK managing to shoot down a helicopter.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Fair enough. Some folks took a shot at that.

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    Can a handgun shoot down a helicopter like James Bond did in SPECTRE?
    https://www.quora.com/Can-a-handgun-shoot-down-a-helicopter-like-James-Bond-did-in-SPECTRE
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    So the concept of a bullet from a Walther PPK reaching the helicopter is possible. Against all odds, possible. Kind of an element of the Bond film formula itself.

    Of interest to me is the effect as the bullet strikes the helicopter from the rear. That's likely not a part of the planned design of the aircraft, which would consider protection from the front. Also as pointed out, this is not a military aircraft.

    The effect here is not simply the damage of impact but where that slug of metal comes to rest, which can be disastrous. Restricting or outright stopping movement of parts, maybe affecting avionics (indicated by the sparks and change in direction of the aircraft). There's little to no reason for the design to plan for this potential cause of a catastrophic event.

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    And of course I enjoyed Alex Jay's final comment.
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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Thank you @RichardTheBruce . That was an interesting read. As I had suspected, it was possible but highly unlikely, and all the pilot needed to do to avoid it was not fly in a straight line at low altitude.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Thank you @RichardTheBruce . That was an interesting read. As I had suspected, it was possible but highly unlikely, and all the pilot needed to do to avoid it was not fly in a straight line at low altitude.

    I had the strong impression the chopper was flying at less then it's normal cruising speed. A quick search gives it a max speed of 306 km/h, or 165 kn.

    Taking a standard luxury speedboat
    https://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/07/04/riva-rivamare-luxury-speedboat/

    it has a top speed of 40 kn. Even if the chopper was flying at half speed, it would go twice as fast as the boat.
    With a 40kn difference, or 73km/h, the chances of Bond still beeing able to reach it would dissapear within seconds.

    I would call it extremely unlikely.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    I had the strong impression the chopper was flying at less then it's normal cruising speed. A quick search gives it a max speed of 306 km/h, or 165 kn.

    Taking a standard luxury speedboat
    https://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/07/04/riva-rivamare-luxury-speedboat/

    it has a top speed of 40 kn. Even if the chopper was flying at half speed, it would go twice as fast as the boat.
    With a 40kn difference, or 73km/h, the chances of Bond still beeing able to reach it would dissapear within seconds.

    I would call it extremely unlikely.

    Yes the pilot essentially cooperated in his chopper’s demise. It’s literally the worst scene in the whole film imo and it’s the climax. The issue isn’t even so much about how impossible/unlikely it is, but how boring. You could give Bond a 50 cal sniper rifle or a machine gun and it would still be anticlimactic and uninteresting.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Well to me it worked fine that a Walther PPK shot down the chopper. Here's some more information of interest.
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    .380 Auto (9mm Browning Short) Ballistics
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    Ballistics and Drop for the .380 Auto (9mm Browning Short)
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    Cartridge Type: Handgun
    Height: 0.68"
    Width: 0.374"
    Average FPS: 980
    Average Energy: 194
    Average Gr: 91
    Recoil: 0.41
    Power Rank: 1.78 of 7

    The .380 ACP or .380 Auto also known as the 9mm browning, and the 9mm short was created back in 1908.
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    The 380 provides a low recoil round, that provides moderate power, into a small round that can fit into a slimmed down conceal carry pistol like the 2011 pistol of the year the LCP Ruger 380 ACP a small gun about the size of a pocket bible that holds 7+1 rounds and can be concealed easily in a pocket, pocketbook, or even a bra (if you are a guy there is no reason to wear a bra just to conceal carry this lol).

    Why is the name 9mm short used? If you stand a .380 next to a 9mm you will see that the 9mm cartridge is a bit larger than the 380 but that the bullets are near identical in diameter.
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    Notice this .380 chart tops out at 250 yards (228.6 meters), but that's not a limit for how far a bullet could travel. Actual bullet travel also depends on barrel length, grains of gunpowder in the shell casing, and other real world variables like crosswind (or tailwind).


    Storytelling staples going on:
    - The hero's weapon finding the fatal flaw--the chink in the dragon's armor.
    - For want of a nail--the vehicle unexpectedly loses a minor but essential capability. Unforeseen, and a showstopper for the overall airframe.

    I adjusted some of my earlier description, I incorrectly suggested the bullet struck the tail rotar when it clearly hit the upper rear section behind the main (top) rotar. It plays out on screen in a reasonable way.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Yes, he does seem to hit the engine cover, which, if the bullit had enough energy to get through and probably hit the engine in the right way, would have the desired effect.

    SO indeed it's extremely unlikely but not impossible.

    What remains is a climax in which the protagonist is firing fromgreat range at a vehicle in which his nemesis is ignorantly enjoying the view. Not the highest of tension moments.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Okay, enough of that.


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    The Schiensh of Bond: GoldenEye
    https://followthelemur.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/the-schiensh-of-bond-goldeneye/ But it’s not actually a laser. It’s some sort of EMP generator. What is an EMP, you ask? Well, sit back, grab a cup of tea and 10 rolls of tin foil and I shall explain.

    The EMP or Electromagnetic pulse was theorised back in the 1940s when the Americans were performing nuclear tests. Enrico Fermi had insisted on shielding electronics during nuclear testing, as he had theorised that disruption in electromagnetic fields would occur and would majorly f*** s*** up. Often, EMPs are encountered in film as a byproduct of nuclear explosions (see John Woo’s Broken Arrow) although non-nuclear forms of EMP generator also exist in the fantasy world of the movies (see Steven Soderbergh’s Ocean’s Eleven).
    A nuclear EMP consists of 3 phases; E1, E2 and E3.

    E1 is a very brief intense electromagnetic field generated when gamma rays from the nuclear device knock electrons off atoms in the upper atmosphere. These electrons travel down towards the Earth’s surface. When they pass through the Earth’s magnetic field, the E1 electromagnetic field is generated over a wide area. Here’s some info from How Stuff Works [http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb2.htm]. The problem with this electrical field is that it can rapidly induce very high voltages in conductive materials. Notably, silicon transistors. This fries unprotected computers and communications equipment.

    E2 occurs when the neutrons released by the weapon generate scattered gamma rays. This is similar to the EMPs generated by lightening strikes. The major problem is that this can screw up equipment left unprotected following E1.

    E3 is akin to an electromagnetic storm – it’s caused by the nuclear detonation moving the Earth’s magnetic field and by the magnetic field reasserting itself. The problem with it is that, like all magnetic fields, it is able to generate currents in long electrical conductors (eg wires). These currents induced in, for example, power cables can lead to damage in transformers which form the infrastructure of the power grid. What is a Faraday cage? A Faraday cage is a box or enclosure made of a conductive material. The sides can be solid or made of mesh. The outer conducting materials protect the interior from electrical and, to a larger extent, electromagnetic signals (although it is ineffective at shielding static or slowly moving magnetic fields). Charge collects on the outside of the cage. If the cage is grounded, charge leaves the outside of the cage and goes to ground. From personal experience I can tell you that Faraday cages are good against mobile phone signals and BBC radio waves….

    Take a look over here for some pretty impressive examples of how a Faraday cage can protect one from electricity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi4kXgDBFhw

    I rather enjoyed that – some pretty cool science. I look forward to what the rest of the Bron Hom era has in store for Schiensh.
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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    The science of Goldeneye was surprisingly sound, but it is strange it’s never expressly stated that the Goldeneye satellite is a nuclear bomb. One reason might be that the EMP produced by a high altitude nuclear detonation has a far more widespread effect than the movie appears to portray. During the US EMP test known as Starfish Prime (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime ) damage from the electromagnetic radiation occurred a whopping 898 miles away in Hawaii! Compare this to the film where the effects of the first Goldeneye satellite appear localized to the Severnaya military installation.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    The science of Goldeneye was surprisingly sound, but it is strange it’s never expressly stated that the Goldeneye satellite is a nuclear bomb. One reason might be that the EMP produced by a high altitude nuclear detonation has a far more widespread effect than the movie appears to portray. During the US EMP test known as Starfish Prime (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime ) damage from the electromagnetic radiation occurred a whopping 898 miles away in Hawaii! Compare this to the film where the effects of the first Goldeneye satellite appear localized to the Severnaya military installation.

    Considering the supposed location of the base, there wasn't anything to be hit for 898 miles......
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severnaya_Zemlya

  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Considering the supposed location of the base, there wasn't anything to be hit for 898 miles......
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severnaya_Zemlya

    That’s a good point.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    The trouble being that the GoldenEye Severnaya is portrayed as being smack in the middle of Siberia, not on a remote island in the North Polar Sea.
    https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Severnaya
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Well it wouldn't do for the Russians to let anyone know where exactly the base is situated now would it ;-) Anyway, even in siberia there are locations to be pointed with nothingness for hundreds of miles. And I bet blackouts happen more often in Krasnojarsk, i.e.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Golden Eye-style energy beam is developed by Nato scientists
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10303988/Golden-Eye-style-energy-beam-is-developed-by-Nato-scientists.html
    An energy beam that can be fired to disable vehicles and electronic devices has been developed by Nato
    scientists.

    By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent | 12:07PM BST 12 Sep 2013

    The device uses an intense pulse of electromagnetic energy that can be directed at a moving vehicle to interfere with the electronics on board.

    Tests conducted by Nato scientists who have been developing the device in Norway show that it can stop a car approaching a roadblock and could be used to thwart suicide bomb attacks.

    It can also be carried in the back of a vehicle to disable other vehicles that are in pursuit.
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    The researchers, who are working as part of Nato’s Science and Technology Organisation, have also demonstrated it can disable jet skis and drones.
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    In 2000 terrorists launched a suicide attack against a US Navy ship, ramming it with boats packed with explosives.

    It is hoped the device could help defend against this while also be used to defend ships against pirates.

    The device has also been tested to disable electronic devices such as mobile phones that may be used to remotely trigger a bomb.

    It is the latest advance in non-lethal weapons under research being carried out by military scientists around the world.

    Recently US scientists unveiled a non-lethal microwave ray that induces intense pain in those in its path and was developed to help subdue riots.

    Scientists from the UK, Norway, the US, Germany, France and a number of other countries have been working as part of the Nato Science and Technology Organisation to use high powered radio waves and microwaves as non-lethal weapons.
    Dr Ernst Krogager, task group chairman of the Nato STO group that has been leading this work, code-named SCI-250, described the new electromagnetic beam in a video released on the Nato website.

    He said: "The ignition generates a very high intensity pulse and it will interfere with the electronic control system inside the car so the car will stop."

    The video shows the system being tested in a number of scenarios to defend vehicles and checkpoints from suicide bomb attacks and approaching vehicles.
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    Electromagnetic pulses create an intense magnetic field that damages electronic circuitry.
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    Details of how the new device works are still secret but it is likely to use microwaves or radio frequency energy.

    Images released by Nato show pressure transmitters that are used to generate electrical signals.

    The new device has been developed in collaboration with defence company Diehl, which has also been working on high altitude electromagnetic pulse weapons.

    Diehl say its "convoy protection" system, which is designed to be portable, can also be used to disable electronic sensors on improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

    It states: "Enemy vehicles with electronic motor management can be stopped inconspicuously by mobile and stationary High Power Electro-Magnetics systems.

    "HPEM sources can be used for personal and convoy protection, for instance, to overload and permanently destroy radio-based fusing systems.

    "HPEM can also support special and police forces in fulfilling their tasks.

    "HPEM systems suppress enemy communication and disturb reconnaissance and information systems, for instance, in freeing hostages."

    In 2011 Diehl tested its HPEM prototypes against IEDs in an armoured vehicle in Afghanistan.

    Scientists at the UK Ministry of Defence's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory have also been conducting research on directed electromagnetic energy weapons.

    The most recent tests, conducted at a secret location in Norway, show how the electromagnetic beam can turn off a car engine and its lights as it approaches a checkpoint and a parked vehicle.

    It also shows how a device mounted in the back of a car can stop another vehicle that is chasing it.
    Describing the test Harry Arnesen, senior scientist at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment that has been leading the project, said: "When we get close to the car, they will fire the engine stopper and the electromagnetic noise from the radiator will interfere with our engine and stop it.

    "This is a fairly safe and simple way of doing it. It is also non-lethal – it doesn't actually kill anyone, or harm anyone. It also doesn't really harm the vehicle much either."
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    HPEM. Not HEMP anymore I notice. And Norway.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    cool! Bit late, but still.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    The Psychophysiology of James Bond: Phasic
    Emotional Responses to Violent Video Game Events

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5584675_The_Psychophysiology_of_James_Bond_Phasic_Emotional_Responses_to_Violent_Video_Game_Events
    Article (PDF Available) in Emotion 8(1):114-20 · March 2008 with 1,176 Reads
    DOI: 10.1037/1528-3542.8.1.114 · Source: PubMed

    Abstract
    The authors examined emotional valence- and arousal-related phasic psychophysiological responses to different violent events in the first-person shooter video game "James Bond 007: NightFire" among 36 young adults. Event-related changes in zygomaticus major, corrugator supercilii, and orbicularis oculi electromyographic (EMG) activity and skin conductance level (SCL) were recorded, and the participants rated their emotions and the trait psychoticism based on the Psychoticism dimension of the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire--Revised, Short Form. Wounding and killing the opponent elicited an increase in SCL and a decrease in zygomatic and orbicularis oculi EMG activity. The decrease in zygomatic and orbicularis oculi activity was less pronounced among high Psychoticism scorers compared with low Psychoticism scorers. The wounding and death of the player's own character (James Bond) elicited an increase in SCL and zygomatic and orbicularis oculi EMG activity and a decrease in corrugator activity. Instead of joy resulting from victory and success, wounding and killing the opponent may elicit high-arousal negative affect (anxiety), with high Psychoticism scorers experiencing less anxiety than low Psychoticism scorers. Although counterintuitive, the wounding and death of the player's own character may increase some aspect of positive emotion.

    [Full-text PDF download available]
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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Does that mean they consider the game not to be any good?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    A strange study. Whenever I defeat an enemy in a first person shooter, I feel satisfaction from the accomplishment, not anxiety. There may often be anxiety immediately following that because I’m now worrying about where the next guy is going to come at me from, or what the next challenge is going to be. I could see dying in a game causing some positive emotions because it’s the relief from being in whatever stressful, high action situation your character was just in. Even though you lost, it’s over now. You’re out of that stressful situation. I think this is just another case of psychologists assigning too much meaning to what is nothing more than digital make-believe.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I think this is just another case of psychologists assigning too much meaning to what is nothing more than digital make-believe.
    Well, @BMW_with_missiles, it's not like MI6 forum members could accuse the researchers of taking Bond too seriously.
    Does that mean they consider the game not to be any good?
    @CommanderRoss , based on the emotional valence- and arousal-related phasic psychophysiological responses, event-related changes in zygomaticus major, corrugator supercilii, and orbicularis oculi electromyographic (EMG) activity, skin conductance level (SCL), the rated psychoticism, plus the zygomatic and orbicularis oculi EMG activity...

    I think they loved it!
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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Well, @BMW_with_missiles, it's not like MI6 forum members could accuse the researchers of taking Bond too seriously. @CommanderRoss , based on the emotional valence- and arousal-related phasic psychophysiological responses, event-related changes in zygomaticus major, corrugator supercilii, and orbicularis oculi electromyographic (EMG) activity, skin conductance level (SCL), the rated psychoticism, plus the zygomatic and orbicularis oculi EMG activity...

    I think they loved it!
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    Ah, of course. Sorry. It was the 'anxious'that frew me off course...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    'You must be joking': 007 in the laboratory and
    academia

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/you-must-be-joking-007-laboratory-and-academia

    With a proper psychologist making an appearance in the latest James Bond film, Professor G.
    Neil Martin looks at how and why scientists have studied the secret agent.

    bond.jpg A curious cottage industry exists examining films via the prism of psychological theory and research. Review papers have examined the veracity of the representation of amnesia (Baxendale, 2004), epilepsy (Baxendale, 2003) and neurology (Ford & Larner, 2009) in the movies. Books have been written on the mad scientist archetype (Grayling, 2005), and the representation of mental illness in cinema (Wedding & Niemiec, 2014). - The name’s Martin: Professor G. Neil Martin, Regent’s University London. E-mail: neil.martin@regents.ac.uk; Twitter: @thatneilmartin

    References
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    Baxendale, S. (2004). Memories aren't made of this: amnesia at the movies. BMJ, 329 (7480), 1480-1483.

    Baxendale S. (2003). Epilepsy at the movies: possession to presidential assassination.Lancet Neurology, 2, 764-70.

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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    That was a very good read!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Reminds me of a certain Monty Python sketch I can't find anymore, with all those bruces.

    Anyway, interesting to see scientists write about scientists writing about Bond.
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