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  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited April 2019 Posts: 17,821
    Benny wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.

    What if
    the old flame is Dench's M :O
    :-O
    That would at least be a character more familiar to the general audience, since she had been around since '95. Not an "old flame" though!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.
    I find it strange that her grave would be in Italy even if she died there. It is customary to send the body to the homeland for burial.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    @Bounine To answer your first question: learning the title, the official cast & crew list AND the short synopsis. Maybe these things don’t excite you, but they definitely do excite me.

    Yeah, for the sole reason that if you don’t like them (highly likely) you can harp on about it here for the next year. You can’t wait to be annoyed, that’s your issue, mate.
    Stop being hostile. Calm down, relax and enjoy the ride.

    Yeah, follow your own advice, for the good of the thread.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.
    I find it strange that her grave would be in Italy even if she died there. It is customary to send the body to the homeland for burial.
    That is something that makes me wonder why it would be Vesper. She would likely be buried in the UK. However perhaps she requested being buried in Italy.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited April 2019 Posts: 8,231
    Benny wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.
    I find it strange that her grave would be in Italy even if she died there. It is customary to send the body to the homeland for burial.
    That is something that makes me wonder why it would be Vesper. She would likely be buried in the UK. However perhaps she requested being buried in Italy.
    The same applies to Dench's M, I would say. It's a very interesting tidbit.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,821
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.
    I find it strange that her grave would be in Italy even if she died there. It is customary to send the body to the homeland for burial.
    Good point. The article doesn't have to be correct about this bit though.
  • MattMatt
    Posts: 154
    Benny wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.
    I find it strange that her grave would be in Italy even if she died there. It is customary to send the body to the homeland for burial.
    That is something that makes me wonder why it would be Vesper. She would likely be buried in the UK. However perhaps she requested being buried in Italy.
    She did die in Italy so it does make some sense for her to be buried there
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
    edited April 2019 Posts: 308
    Old flame, Italy... Lucia Sciarra? Would be more likely then it being a visit to Vesper's grave I think.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Old flame, Italy... Lucia Sciarra? Would be more likely then it being a visit to Vesper's grave I think.

    A long shot, but who knows. Lucia has been killed before Felix could get to her. Murdered by the unknown CIA agent we've heard about supposedly being played by Billy Magnuessen. It's a longshot I know, but I guess it's possible.

  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,278
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    Benny wrote: »
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Old flame, Italy... Lucia Sciarra? Would be more likely then it being a visit to Vesper's grave I think.

    A long shot, but who knows. Lucia has been killed before Felix could get to her. Murdered by the unknown CIA agent we've heard about supposedly being played by Billy Magnuessen. It's a longshot I know, but I guess it's possible.

    This would be an interesting way for Felix to come back into play, actually. He's made a boo boo, and he turns to the one man he trusts the most. Even if we're miles off the mark with it, I'd have liked to have seen Felix used in such a way during this era. Wright and Craig are great in their scenes together.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra
    Vesper was buried in Royal-les-Eaux where Casino Royale took place. Bond annually paid her a visit there, most notably in OHMSS, where he meets Tracy.
  • mrfrederikmrfrederik DK
    edited April 2019 Posts: 1
    jake24 wrote: »
    MI6-HQ is reporting that
    Swann will accompany Bond during a car chase through the streets of Matera for the film's PTS.

    Bond 25's pretitles sequence will be shot on location in Matera, Italy, during the late summer months. Léa Seydoux will be returning in her role as Madeleine Swann for the action-packed car chase, that takes place after 007 pays tribute to an old flame. Whether Swann has any presence in the story after the credits sequence is not known at this time. The location was first scouted for a car chase for the 'Quantum of Solace' pretitles.

    Anyone know if this was taken from Italian reports, or if this is new info?

    Maybe from the www.sassilive.it?
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited April 2019 Posts: 3,278
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra
    Vesper was buried in Royal-les-Eaux where Casino Royale took place. Bond annually paid her a visit there, most notably in OHMSS, where he meets Tracy.

    Hmm...
    Royale-les-Eaux
    royale-les-eaux.jpg
    Matera
    14555486124_53c0e26437_b.jpg
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra

    The thing is, Matera is not even close to Venice.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    I'm really hoping that if the movie ends in Jamaica then the film (and with that the Craig era) will end with this song just when credits start rolling: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tNRuysQVfJc
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,821
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    I'm really hoping that if the movie ends in Jamaica then the film (and with that the Craig era) will end with this song just when credits start rolling: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tNRuysQVfJc

    That would make me laugh – loudly :))
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    Zekidk wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra
    Vesper was buried in Royal-les-Eaux where Casino Royale took place. Bond annually paid her a visit there, most notably in OHMSS, where he meets Tracy.

    Hmm...
    Royale-les-Eaux
    royale-les-eaux.jpg
    Matera
    14555486124_53c0e26437_b.jpg

    Royale-les-Eaux is fictional. ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    We still don t know if Matera is doubling for some other place, perhaps Tunisia.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited April 2019 Posts: 4,412
    Rami Malek was in New York on 4 April 2019:



    Meanwhile, this weekend Daniel Craig and Rachel Weisz were photographed in New York:

    received-2324810427801590.jpg

    received-282968575956266.jpg

    Can anyone access this new Naomie Harris interview in The Sunday Rimes:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/naomie-harris-on-being-bullied-studying-at-cambridge-and-how-black-women-are-finally-being-recognised-in-hollywood-hq0g9g6n6

  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    Denbigh wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    Get ready to be pissed
    Ha probably but I should also say that when I say "giant sequel" I mean I'm hoping not every aspect of the film is a call-back. I'm all for a cool and interesting follow-up to Spectre, with Madeleine Swann returning and more of her backstory, but I'm just not into every aspect of the story being a follow-up. I want something fresh and new as well as these continuing elements. I trust Fukunaga, but everything I'm hearing at the moment screams "sequel" rather than "cool new Bond film", but I have faith.

    And some of you guys as much as you may want it, we don't need another...
    ...Vesper call-back. The whole reason QoS ended the way it did was to show that he had moved on, we didn't need a tape and we definitely don't need a grave. One of the main reasons I believe Spectre failed (for me and others) was that it called back too much on the old shiz, just leave it. Skyfall was perfect segway into the new and the fresh, but Mendes and Logan had to do a giant 180 degree spin like Tonya Harding and finish off some "unanswered questions". Look, that was that, this is this. Let's move on and have a great f-ing Bond movie. (I apologise for hinting at language but I'm sure we're all adults here).

    I don't think Bond
    visiting Vesper's grave is too much of a problem, if it's done in a way that doesn't impact the story, like Roger did in FYEO.
    I'm more worried about Swann returning, because I'm not interested in any sort of SP continuation. I really hope they do something original with her character.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,278
    Walecs wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra

    The thing is, Matera is not even close to Venice.

    Just because it's being shot there, it doesn't mean than it can't double for almost any italian small town, which it resembles.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    Denbigh wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    Get ready to be pissed
    Ha probably but I should also say that when I say "giant sequel" I mean I'm hoping not every aspect of the film is a call-back. I'm all for a cool and interesting follow-up to Spectre, with Madeleine Swann returning and more of her backstory, but I'm just not into every aspect of the story being a follow-up. I want something fresh and new as well as these continuing elements. I trust Fukunaga, but everything I'm hearing at the moment screams "sequel" rather than "cool new Bond film", but I have faith.

    And some of you guys as much as you may want it, we don't need another...
    ...Vesper call-back. The whole reason QoS ended the way it did was to show that he had moved on, we didn't need a tape and we definitely don't need a grave. One of the main reasons I believe Spectre failed (for me and others) was that it called back too much on the old shiz, just leave it. Skyfall was perfect segway into the new and the fresh, but Mendes and Logan had to do a giant 180 degree spin like Tonya Harding and finish off some "unanswered questions". Look, that was that, this is this. Let's move on and have a great f-ing Bond movie. (I apologise for hinting at language but I'm sure we're all adults here).

    Of all the things I disliked about SPECTRE, the Vesper callback wasn't one of them. I thought it was a nice touch, and the way Bond saw it and quickly moved on from it was nicely done. Though I would have had it as a DVD rather than a videotape, personally. But that's just being pedantic.

    I agree with your overall point though....
    I don't think we need anything like that again. We know the continuity of Craig's Bond now. SP hammered us over the head with it. They really should be able to carry on and create something that fits with the other four films without using those ideas repeatedly. That being said, I could end up eating my words if they do it and do it well. So who knows.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra

    The thing is, Matera is not even close to Venice.

    Just because it's being shot there, it doesn't mean than it can't double for almost any italian small town, which it resembles.

    The thing is this place does not resemble anything in Europe let alone Italy.

    That is why the smart money says if they've chosen it, it could and I say could be doubling for somewhere in the middle east.

    They may well want to use Matera as Matera so I wouldn't rule it out but this place has doubled as Jerusalem 3 times now (Passion of the Christ, Mary Magdalene and the Ben Hur remake).

    So I would say it's either that or it's going to be explicity Matera for a reason.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Why would....
    Vesper be buried in a small italian town. It makes no sense, since she's not italian. Unless she has no family and they just dumped her close to where she died of course. Does the CR-novel say anything about her background?

    It's got to be Lucia Sciarra

    The thing is, Matera is not even close to Venice.

    So I would say it's either that or it's going to be explicity Matera for a reason.

    Exactly.

    Regarding
    the flame stuff there’s no reason Vesper would’ve been buried in Matera. Not at all.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Rami Malek was in New York on 4 April 2019:



    Meanwhile, this weekend Daniel Craig and Rachel Weisz were photographed in New York:

    received-2324810427801590.jpg

    received-282968575956266.jpg

    Can anyone access this new Naomie Harris interview in The Sunday Rimes:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/naomie-harris-on-being-bullied-studying-at-cambridge-and-how-black-women-are-finally-being-recognised-in-hollywood-hq0g9g6n6


    Why would Daniel still be in NY? I thought filming supposedly started Friday. Honestly, what is going on with this production?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Rami Malek was in New York on 4 April 2019:



    Meanwhile, this weekend Daniel Craig and Rachel Weisz were photographed in New York:

    received-2324810427801590.jpg

    received-282968575956266.jpg

    Can anyone access this new Naomie Harris interview in The Sunday Rimes:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/naomie-harris-on-being-bullied-studying-at-cambridge-and-how-black-women-are-finally-being-recognised-in-hollywood-hq0g9g6n6


    Why would Daniel still be in NY? I thought filming supposedly started Friday. Honestly, what is going on with this production?
    Well we don’t know for sure if he’s in NY right now and to be honest no-one official confirmed an early April start date for filming.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,589
    Some thoughts on MI6's reporting...
    Posts are focusing on three things: 1. Madera; 2. the "old flame;" 3. Madeleine. Assumptions are being made that the "old flame" is buried in Italy or Madera; but the wording in the report says nothing about such a scenario. There can be a difference between paying tribute and paying one's respects. Still, to me, the most likely person is Lucia; but why would he take Madeleine along to pay such a tribute to another woman, right there in front of her? Makes no sense. In any case, the other candidates: Solange, Vesper, Fields, Severine. As for the question of Madeleine's role in the film. If Madera is the PTS, and it isn't being filmed until late summer, then we'll know Madeliene's role is bigger if Seydoux is on set or seen filming prior to that. Also, if Norway is NOT part of the PTS, as some has thought, and Madeleine doesn't survive the PTS, then that really opens the possibilities for what that scene in Norway is supposed to be. So I will go back to this scenario...
    The young girl in Norway is Madeleine's daughter from her marriage, which has since long ended. Or, she was given up for adoption. It is something Madeleine would likely do for the girl's own safety. If Madeleine is killed in the PTS, it means that SPECTRE or someone/something else is hell-bent on wiping out Mr. White's lineage. There would have to be some deep, dark reason why. And that girl might be the last.

  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,412
    TripAces wrote: »
    Some thoughts on MI6's reporting...
    Posts are focusing on three things: 1. Madera; 2. the "old flame;" 3. Madeleine. Assumptions are being made that the "old flame" is buried in Italy or Madera; but the wording in the report says nothing about such a scenario. There can be a difference between paying tribute and paying one's respects. Still, to me, the most likely person is Lucia; but why would he take Madeleine along to pay such a tribute to another woman, right there in front of her? Makes no sense. In any case, the other candidates: Solange, Vesper, Fields, Severine. As for the question of Madeleine's role in the film. If Madera is the PTS, and it isn't being filmed until late summer, then we'll know Madeliene's role is bigger if Seydoux is on set or seen filming prior to that. Also, if Norway is NOT part of the PTS, as some has thought, and Madeleine doesn't survive the PTS, then that really opens the possibilities for what that scene in Norway is supposed to be. So I will go back to this scenario...
    The young girl in Norway is Madeleine's daughter from her marriage, which has since long ended. Or, she was given up for adoption. It is something Madeleine would likely do for the girl's own safety. If Madeleine is killed in the PTS, it means that SPECTRE or someone/something else is hell-bent on wiping out Mr. White's lineage. There would have to be some deep, dark reason why. And that girl might be the last.

    The MI6 report is most likely wrong. It's seemingly based on a report from Sassi Live and some erroneous reporting by yours truly.

    Sassi Live is the same site that said Emma Stone and Dakota Johnson had been cast. Now they are saying that Priyanka Chopra and Jodie Come have been cast. Inexplicably, they also suggest that Monica Bellucci's 14 year old daughter has been cast....

    It's nonsense.

    Also, the same MI6 article quotes me. It states that Fukunaga went home a few days into the Norway shoot. I have since admitted my intel was wrong and that Fukunaga was actually on set for filming the chase on the lake. He's even in the set photos!

    So in short: Don't believe the MI6 article.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,589
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Some thoughts on MI6's reporting...
    Posts are focusing on three things: 1. Madera; 2. the "old flame;" 3. Madeleine. Assumptions are being made that the "old flame" is buried in Italy or Madera; but the wording in the report says nothing about such a scenario. There can be a difference between paying tribute and paying one's respects. Still, to me, the most likely person is Lucia; but why would he take Madeleine along to pay such a tribute to another woman, right there in front of her? Makes no sense. In any case, the other candidates: Solange, Vesper, Fields, Severine. As for the question of Madeleine's role in the film. If Madera is the PTS, and it isn't being filmed until late summer, then we'll know Madeliene's role is bigger if Seydoux is on set or seen filming prior to that. Also, if Norway is NOT part of the PTS, as some has thought, and Madeleine doesn't survive the PTS, then that really opens the possibilities for what that scene in Norway is supposed to be. So I will go back to this scenario...
    The young girl in Norway is Madeleine's daughter from her marriage, which has since long ended. Or, she was given up for adoption. It is something Madeleine would likely do for the girl's own safety. If Madeleine is killed in the PTS, it means that SPECTRE or someone/something else is hell-bent on wiping out Mr. White's lineage. There would have to be some deep, dark reason why. And that girl might be the last.

    The MI6 report is most likely wrong. It's seemingly based on a report from Sassi Live and some erroneous reporting by yours truly.

    Sassi Live is the same site that said Emma Stone and Dakota Johnson had been cast. Now they are saying that Priyanka Chopra and Jodie Come have been cast. Inexplicably, they also suggest that Monica Bellucci's 14 year old daughter has been cast....

    It's nonsense.

    Also, the same MI6 article quotes me. It states that Fukunaga went home a few days into the Norway shoot. I have since admitted my intel was wrong and that Fukunaga was actually on set for filming the chase on the lake. He's even in the set photos!

    So in short: Don't believe the MI6 article.

    Good to know. I have usually taken tabloid crap with a grain of salt; I thought MI6's reports did too, until now.
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