Dynamite's Bond comics and graphic novels

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @ClarkDevlin
    I shall of course read THE BODY once completed. I have a high tolerance level for mediocre stuff when the rest of the series so far has been good enough. BLACK BOX and KILL CHAIN were fantastic in my opinion.
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    Thanks for the answer, what's baffles you in the Body @ClarkDevlin ?
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @ClarkDevlin
    I shall of course read THE BODY once completed. I have a high tolerance level for mediocre stuff when the rest of the series so far has been good enough. BLACK BOX and KILL CHAIN were fantastic in my opinion.

    Black Box, Kill Chain, Hammerhead, Felix Leiter, even the first two stories from Ellis were very enjoyable.
    The Body is easily the worst in an overall very good run. I hope it does not end here.
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    By the way, i agree that Nazis should not necesserily be off topic for Bond. Diggle used Nazis in Kill Switch to great effect.

    Heck, Fleming used nazis to great effect in Moonraker. And Gardner did so in Icebreaker. I fail to see why they should have no place in a Bond story now.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Gerard wrote: »
    By the way, i agree that Nazis should not necesserily be off topic for Bond. Diggle used Nazis in Kill Switch to great effect.

    Heck, Fleming used nazis to great effect in Moonraker. And Gardner did so in Icebreaker. I fail to see why they should have no place in a Bond story now.
    The fact that Nazis were the villains isn't the problem here nor the fact that Kot used Neo-Nazis as the antagonists. The fact that he had Bond fire machine guns and yell "Death to white people!" is the one that absurdly set me to unsubscribe this run, and the fact that all of Kot's stories are to detract Bond like making him the bad guy and a misguided feminist social justice warrior the hero for stealing from Britain and aligning with the terrorists. Bond being suicidal and literally pissing himself while talking like a hammered idiot... Need I go on?
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Some artists are simply wrong for certain characters or franchises, and this should be checked and understood beforehand
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Some artists are simply wrong for certain characters or franchises, and this should be checked and understood beforehand
    I bet that they knew of this. I mean, look at everyone's opinion of Ales Kot online. Before the miniseries even made its debut, I was looking at the comments on various sites and there wasn't one single person who didn't hate this guy. I was concerned from there, and it later proved to be true.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Gerard wrote: »
    By the way, i agree that Nazis should not necesserily be off topic for Bond. Diggle used Nazis in Kill Switch to great effect.

    Heck, Fleming used nazis to great effect in Moonraker. And Gardner did so in Icebreaker. I fail to see why they should have no place in a Bond story now.
    The fact that Nazis were the villains isn't the problem here nor the fact that Kot used Neo-Nazis as the antagonists. The fact that he had Bond fire machine guns and yell "Death to white people!" is the one that absurdly set me to unsubscribe this run, and the fact that all of Kot's stories are to detract Bond like making him the bad guy and a misguided feminist social justice warrior the hero for stealing from Britain and aligning with the terrorists. Bond being suicidal and literally pissing himself while talking like a hammered idiot... Need I go on?

    For me that's quite enough not to buy any of them. I just started my collection with 'hammerhead', which I do like very much. But i'll avoid 'The Body'.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Gerard wrote: »
    By the way, i agree that Nazis should not necesserily be off topic for Bond. Diggle used Nazis in Kill Switch to great effect.

    Heck, Fleming used nazis to great effect in Moonraker. And Gardner did so in Icebreaker. I fail to see why they should have no place in a Bond story now.
    The fact that Nazis were the villains isn't the problem here nor the fact that Kot used Neo-Nazis as the antagonists. The fact that he had Bond fire machine guns and yell "Death to white people!" is the one that absurdly set me to unsubscribe this run, and the fact that all of Kot's stories are to detract Bond like making him the bad guy and a misguided feminist social justice warrior the hero for stealing from Britain and aligning with the terrorists. Bond being suicidal and literally pissing himself while talking like a hammered idiot... Need I go on?

    For me that's quite enough not to buy any of them. I just started my collection with 'hammerhead', which I do like very much. But i'll avoid 'The Body'.
    All of the entries prior to The Body are worth it. Get all of them, but avoid that infamous title.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    I am a completionist when it comes to Bond, i own all the Novels, all the comic strip from the 50's and 60's and all Dynamite Comics. This is the first one i am not going to buy the Hardcover collection of, and I also cancelled the comixology subscription for it. I have never felt so outraged as a fan.
  • Agent_99 wrote: »
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    Not Dynamite, but Bond-comic related...if anyone wants to buy original panels illustrated by John McLusky for the Daily Express Bond strip, here's your opportunity.

    Ooh. I am enormously tempted by the final Casino Royale one. Love the way he draws Bond.

    (The trick is to tell yourself it's an 'investment' even if you'd obviously never sell it on...)

    Never say never -- didn't Sir Sean tell us that? Anybody want to buy some early '60s Marvels? (Actually I always expected selling them to be my retirement career...but I'm not quite ready to retire just yet...)
  • No, I'm not going to try to defend The Body...early on I was willing to accept it as a change of pace, but yeah, it's just not very 007ish.

    What I AM going to do is encourage folks to have a little patience, and examine Dynamite's history with their other franchises. Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, the Shadow et al. Multiple titles coming all at once... then nothing for a few months... then again, here we go with two or more titles at a time. I don't think it's the smartest way to market a franchise, but it IS their standard pattern. The most important thing we can do to encourage Dynamite to release more Bond titles at this point is to buy the TPBs -- and especially, the Casino Royale adaptation.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2018 Posts: 5,185
    No, I'm not going to try to defend The Body...early on I was willing to accept it as a change of pace, but yeah, it's just not very 007ish.

    What I AM going to do is encourage folks to have a little patience, and examine Dynamite's history with their other franchises. Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, the Shadow et al. Multiple titles coming all at once... then nothing for a few months... then again, here we go with two or more titles at a time. I don't think it's the smartest way to market a franchise, but it IS their standard pattern. The most important thing we can do to encourage Dynamite to release more Bond titles at this point is to buy the TPBs -- and especially, the Casino Royale adaptation.

    Ok thanks for the perspective. I believe they have more coming too, CR was a seller, no reason not to continue right away with LALD (both Van Jensen and Calero are happy to continue as well)
    Diggle definitly has somethin in the pipeline considering how Kill Chain ended. Ibrahim Moustafa would certainly love to get more involved after his one shot. Benjamin Percy was solid.
    And then we have War Years of course, which would be quite a significant project, as it shows a completely unexplored part of Bonds History.

    No reason not to continue the series.
    I wish Dynamite would not keep us waiting like this. What makes the wait worse is that the Body, of all titles, is the only one running right now. Its like we did not had a decent Bond Comic in ages (except for CR in April)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Next to the LALD adaptation, I believe the upcoming (but not yet confirmed by Dynamite) titles have Ibrahim Moustafa involved once more, Andy Diggle had a third story arc to produce, Jim Robinson said he conceived an idea for a Felix Leiter trilogy, with the first being already out by now, and of course, lastly, we have War Years.

    Although, Dynamite have gone full radio silent, and let this abominable current title run for six months already, which I find quite baffling. Maybe they are planning something. Something to coincide with B25, perhaps?
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    On the other hand, they have lost the rights to Zorro (now published by American Mythology), it seems. Not that I'm sorried, but at this stage, we don't know what could happen.
  • The "rights" to Zorro are kind of up in the air right now, with litigation ongoing over the idea that the character should actually be in the public domain at this point.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Keep your eyes open, as the last issue of The Body is released on June 20. There has to be some kind of announcement from Dynamite soon! Fingers crossed for LALD adaptation or another Felix Leiter!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I want the Fleming books done right. If it's a binary choice, I prefer those books over more original titles. MR, FRWL, OHMSS, TMWTGG, ... Saliva is dripping from my mouth when imagining the entire book series with the same hardcover layout stacked neatly as a whole. Personally, I would have, if money allowed it, commissioned two or three teams to work on these books, to keep continuity as it were. Seeing how long it took them to get CR shipped to stores, I really don't want to be in my 50s when TMWTGG or COLONEL SUN finds its way here.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Fingers crossed that speed things up while keeping quality. Also, I hope they do Colonel Sun as well.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2018 Posts: 5,185
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I want the Fleming books done right. If it's a binary choice, I prefer those books over more original titles.

    I find that quite interesting, there seem to be two types of comic fans here. The side that wants Fleming Material redone, and the side that prefers original titles.

    I guess the Fleming Material has a bigger draw due to the almost guarateed quality, at least of the writing. And also people who are not comic readers might be less hesitant to pick up a Fleming adaption.

    I much prefer orginal titles like Hammerhead and Black Box. Why? It's simple. I loved the Casino Royale adaption as much as anyone but the problem for me is that it's a story i already know by heart. I took me a while to finish the comic to be honest, its not that engaging if you know what going to happen anyway. Same reason i struggle with reading some of the Novels that are movie adaptions.

    I love reading a new take on Bond though, new artists, new storylines. I am much more interested in seeing what new stuff Dynamite can come up with.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited June 2018 Posts: 24,179
    @00Agent

    You certainly raise a very good point, sir. Indeed, original titles are always better in the sense that you get new material and with it, the promise of an exciting and unexpected climax. With the Fleming adaptations, one does tend to fall into the trap of knowing exactly how it'll end and losing interest for that reason alone.

    My incentive is this: I long for a visual component to the Fleming books. Since faithful adaptations have not yet been made for television or cinema, a graphic novel is the closest we can get. I've been living these stories in my head for so long, I want to see someone else interpreting the visual side of it all. Ergo, I really hope that all the Bond books get the CR treatment from Dynamite.

    Of course, we have the newspaper strips, and they are bonafide classics in their own right. What Dynamite brings, however, is colour, a nice pace and more cinematic compositions and frames. The newspaper strips are like the CR play with Barry Nelson; Dynamite comes closer to a Bond film directed by Young or Hunt.

    Again, all this is based on the hypothesis that it comes down to a binary choice. Obviously, I'd love for Dynamite to continue with the original titles AS WELL AS the Fleming adaptations.

    I would once more like to present the example of the Star Wars comics as they were done by DarkHorse back in the day and by Marvel today. They explore a multitude of adventures between two films and are very successful at it. Now then, imagine if the Dynamite comics would do the same thing. Say we start before DN (the film). Bond is young, a war veteran and about to earn his 00 license. Right there, you've got a great story to tell with lots of possibilities. Then we see what happened between DN and FRWL. For example: we just learned about Spectre. MI6 gets worried. Who are these people? No reason why Bond can't encounter more Spectre agents before the events of FRWL. Then GF. Who knows? Spectre might actually try to recruit Auric. But he declines, the selfish bastard. Meanwhile, Bond is sent to South-America for an investigation into some drug business... Between GF and TB, Spectre learns about Goldfinger's defeat and tries to get some of the gold. A certain Marc-Ange Draco gets involved. Bond finds a trace to a French Spectre agent... and so on and so on.

    I'm only dreaming out loud, guys, but wouldn't it be fun for the comic book medium to fill in the blanks? :) Some 5 or 6 issue adventures set between two films? My prediction is that almost every pair of Bond films up to DAD allows such an "intermission" adventure.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Interesting idea. I certainly wouldn't have minded a Prequel comic to Spectre, dealing with Blofelds rise. Would have been a good idea to flesh the character out, for the fans that actually care about that stuff.
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    Ahem. I just finished the reading of The Body 2 and it's me or the girl plan is a complete non-sense ? What's her points to give terrorist a virus which don't work ? In what side doing that will help to arrest them? I mean it's will don't lead the authority to them. When they will try to realease the virus, they probably will do that discreetly (like let a vial of it open in a mall, no gunfire or whatsoever), so the authority will never know they had even try to realease it (so they will not catch them).

    Can somebody explain me in what the fact given a virus which don't work will prevent an terrorist operation (operation that they will not mount anyway if she don't proposed them the virus first) and put them in jail?
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Preview for The Body #6

    https://www.cbr.com/james-bond-the-body-6/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list

    Did not know that Casalanguida was doing the art again, which is a bit weird overall.
    Anyway, the art looks amazing here, theres a part of me that still wants to believe that this issue might finally be a good one. I am an optimist to the end lol, but sadly even if, it would be a little too late.

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Wow about time! Jeff Parker did great with Batman 66. I can't wait, I was getting worried for Dynamite.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    FINALLY!! :O
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It somewhat seems anachronistic, though. I mean, it's taking Bond back to 1941 but saying he's 17 year old. Didn't they settle on 1920 for his year of birth? Wouldn't that make Bond 17 in 1937 and 21 in 1941?

    I was counting a young adult Bond in 1941.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2018 Posts: 5,185
    It somewhat seems anachronistic, though. I mean, it's taking Bond back to 1941 but saying he's 17 year old. Didn't they settle on 1920 for his year of birth? Wouldn't that make Bond 17 in 1937 and 21 in 1941?

    I was counting a young adult Bond in 1941.

    Well, i'm not sure about the exact numbers, but as i remember Fleming wrote that Bond lied about his age in 1941 to get enlisted for the war, being 17 at that time, and obviously by 1937 there was no war.
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