Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    CrabKey wrote: »
    I'm in for the villains, but when it comes to the Bond Girls, I think that's fine, think of both Honor Blackman and Diana Rigg,.

    HB and DR were notable exceptions. For me Diana Rigg and Eva Green are the two best Bond women. They were so good in their roles, it is hard for me to imagine other actresses bringing more to those roles.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Troy wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    And I know @Denbigh and I would like some more of those in future films, wouldn't we? ;)
    100%

    The only thing that truly grated me about the Craig-era was the lack of a proper femme-fatale akin to Xenia and Fiona. The fact that Valenka in Casino is the closest we got was a damn shame.

    Actually, I'm glad there weren't any. The "bad" Bond girl gets old pretty quickly and too often becomes a lazy trope. Fiona Volpe was great. After her, I found most of them derivative.
    I mean I personally disagree, it's never felt like a trope to me because of how little it's been done throughout the franchise compared to henchmen like Jaws and Hink, but I think the Craig-era would have made a conscious effort to create a more dynamic and nuanced version of the "bad Bond girl".

    I can understand it not fitting with the stories they had but at the same time when you're making a conscious effort with the Bond girls overall, why wouldn't you consider one that remains an antagonist throughout the story? I sometimes wonder if hesitancy with female villains is their demise, do producers and writers worry they'll be antagonised if our main hero has to dispatch of a female character directly?

    But then if that's the case, why is a sacrificial lamb more accepted by them than a female antagonist considering the criticism that trope gets? Or is that because its easier to portray a Bond girl being killed by the villains as opposed to Bond himself?

    Actually they should have explored this in Monica Bellucci's character, Lucia Sciarra, she had a potential to be a Bad Bond Girl given her backstory and her connections to SPECTRE.

    I do find it lacking on equality, I mean if there's a female baddie and Bond killed them, then that's when Bond look at each equally, he used his Licenced To Kill for women the same as he did on men.

    He used to kill men, but why not have a female baddie too? Like the Craig films always portraying women as innocents who became sacrificial lambs like Solange, Strawberry Fields, Severine, and nearly with Lucia Sciarra, like women should always be good and only men could be bad.

    It's a bit of equality to have a female baddie at least.

    Bond gets enough bad press by having casual sex with women, let alone killing them….

    Given the high profile campaigns (here in the UK, at least) against male violence towards women, not sure Bond shoul be going there

    I still defend the choices Bond the character makes, in regards to women. There is a misdirected attempt by many in the media and critical circles to paint Bond as a misogynist when nothing could be further from the truth. I have even changed my mind about Patricia Fearing, the one character I had always believed to be mistreated. In fact, Bond does not turn his sights on Fearing until he sees that she is in cahoots with Lippe. At that moment, she becomes an asset. And that's when he makes his advances.

    There are few women in Bond films who are not assets or marks. And those who are not are generally treated with respect and concern. See Tilly Masterson and Plenty O'Toole, as prime examples.

    OK. That's all for now. Carry on. LOL

    I think it comes from people not really understand the term and definition of misogyny. If they were going to label bond as anything then a chauvinist may be a better fit... and with constant modernisation of him even this might not be the case now.

    I also feel like over casual sex the implication of bond being a label because of it is actually the true chauvinism. It disregards our agency as females to choose who we have sex with, when and how we enjoy it. It is 2022 and we are allowed to do what we want with our bodies just as much as men are. I don't understand the sentiment that a man is a stud and a woman a 'slur' if she has casual sex. The man would not be a stud without her!!! But I digress!
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    Could be a DC to JC bond transition ?
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    DC looks impressed..... ;)
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    The self-control it must take to be that close to Corden and not smack him. Or at least choke him out...
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    Venutius wrote: »
    The self-control it must take to be that close to Corden and not smack him. Or at least choke him out...

    Agree. I met Corden once in a production office. He was so obnoxious and mouthy.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Some stateside chatter about Leo Woodall after his arc on The White Lotus.

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    echo wrote: »
    Some stateside chatter about Leo Woodall after his arc on The White Lotus.

    He’s got an interesting face to be fair. Can’t say anything else about him as I haven’t seen anything he’s been in. Anyone who has have any thoughts about him?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,368
    Did his White Lotus go underwater? If not, nothing doing.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2022 Posts: 6,288
    007HallY wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Some stateside chatter about Leo Woodall after his arc on The White Lotus.

    He’s got an interesting face to be fair. Can’t say anything else about him as I haven’t seen anything he’s been in. Anyone who has have any thoughts about him?

    I've only seen him in White Lotus season 2 but he does have a
    dangerous
    quality to him.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10695146/mediaviewer/rm1736442625/
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    My girlfriend and I stayed up until 2 a.m. on Monday to finish up the rest of S2 of The White Lotus. It was so perfect. I thought Theo James was fantastic in it; it's a name I've recognized for a while now but don't believe I had ever seen him in anything before. He's certainly got the acting chops and the physicality down to play Bond, though his age seems to guarantee that won't happen.
  • I keep hearing rumours that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has screen tested for Bond and shot a gun barrel sequence with official announcement in March.Probably nothing but it appears the EON cogs are starting to move again
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    I'd rather have this talented American than ATJ. Since it's '22 and all, eh? Perfect age at 31. Oscar buzz galore for his role in Elvis and the guy has the acting chops, charisma in spades and the looks. I wouldn't be opposed. Meet left field choice Austin Butler:

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited December 2022 Posts: 1,645
    I keep hearing rumours that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has screen tested for Bond and shot a gun barrel sequence with official announcement in March.Probably nothing but it appears the EON cogs are starting to move again

    Thanks for checking in but we're about 20 pages past all that if you want to go back.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    And I know @Denbigh and I would like some more of those in future films, wouldn't we? ;)
    100%

    The only thing that truly grated me about the Craig-era was the lack of a proper femme-fatale akin to Xenia and Fiona. The fact that Valenka in Casino is the closest we got was a damn shame.

    Actually, I'm glad there weren't any. The "bad" Bond girl gets old pretty quickly and too often becomes a lazy trope. Fiona Volpe was great. After her, I found most of them derivative.
    I mean I personally disagree, it's never felt like a trope to me because of how little it's been done throughout the franchise compared to henchmen like Jaws and Hink, but I think the Craig-era would have made a conscious effort to create a more dynamic and nuanced version of the "bad Bond girl".

    I can understand it not fitting with the stories they had but at the same time when you're making a conscious effort with the Bond girls overall, why wouldn't you consider one that remains an antagonist throughout the story? I sometimes wonder if hesitancy with female villains is their demise, do producers and writers worry they'll be antagonised if our main hero has to dispatch of a female character directly?

    But then if that's the case, why is a sacrificial lamb more accepted by them than a female antagonist considering the criticism that trope gets? Or is that because its easier to portray a Bond girl being killed by the villains as opposed to Bond himself?

    I think the question of their death is probably key. A sacrificial lamb is generally killed by a villain, someone already morally in the wrong. If you think about it, Bond very rarely kills a female villain directly. On the top of my head I can only think of Onatopp and Elektra. He throws Fiona Volpe in harm's way, but does not pull the trigger. The others are killed by the villain or a henchman. I don't think it's incidental.

    There's also Naomi in the helicopter in TSWLM but that was at arm's length I suppose. It's interesting that he never directly killed a woman in the original Fleming novels and short stories either. Irma Bunt is knocked out by Bond's stave and her fate in the dissolving Castle of Death is unknown (unless one counts John Pearson as canon which is problematic for several reasons). The closest he came to a kill outside of that was shooting "Trigger" in the hand in 'The Living Daylights' and she probably lost her hand there as opposed to her life. Bond hesitates to kill an attractive woman, a theme explored in TWINE with Elektra King.

    I forgot Naomi. And even then it's very indirect. He pushes a button, literally.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 3,327
    I keep hearing rumours that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has screen tested for Bond and shot a gun barrel sequence with official announcement in March.Probably nothing but it appears the EON cogs are starting to move again

    I'd be on board with ATJ. There are definitely worse rumoured choices out there.

    At least he tallies with the Fleming description. The GQ photo below screams Bond to me.

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  • LucknFate wrote: »
    I keep hearing rumours that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has screen tested for Bond and shot a gun barrel sequence with official announcement in March.Probably nothing but it appears the EON cogs are starting to move again

    Thanks for checking in but we're about 20 pages past all that if you want to go back.

    No thanks.
  • I'd rather have this talented American than ATJ. Since it's '22 and all, eh? Perfect age at 31. Oscar buzz galore for his role in Elvis and the guy has the acting chops, charisma in spades and the looks. I wouldn't be opposed. Meet left field choice Austin Butler:

    fe95cdb138d314a959fdb80fda15433e.jpg

    No American actors thanks.
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    I am going to say something shocking I think ATJ is being considered
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    I am going to say something shocking I think ATJ is being considered

    I do hope so. Who knows? Really, who knows? Decades of Bond community and we don't have a bloody insider? Cmon people, get your spy kit and suit up. No one knows anyone in the industry? :P

    With all our divergences and arm wrestling, we're a better bunch than the SW fan community, and all the other fan communities out there. We used to have a...what was his name? Yardbird, Yardborough? Who fed us some news directly from the source. But nowadays, in the age of communications, we have...nothing. Not a single source who could use us as much as we could use it/them. Debunking wise, at least.

    Oh well, here we are, discussing if news from the Sun are real...

    I still wish they were. Real, I mean. We shall see.
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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I’m really hoping that ATJ is the Clive Owen of this era.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I’m really hoping that ATJ is the Clive Owen of this era.
    I have a feeling that role already lands at Aiden's feet ;)
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I see your point…
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Denbigh wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I’m really hoping that ATJ is the Clive Owen of this era.
    I have a feeling that role already lands at Aiden's feet ;)

    Turner's the Adrian Paul of this era! ;) An ostensibly plausible candidate who looks like he'd be a good traditional Bond, but who won't even get a look in.
  • AmericanBondFan1994AmericanBondFan1994 Milford, Michigan
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16
    Ok guys I hope @peter doesn't mind me sharing this info but according to his source which I will not name the Aaron Taylor-Johnson rumors are certainly not true.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I keep hearing rumours that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has screen tested for Bond and shot a gun barrel sequence with official announcement in March.Probably nothing but it appears the EON cogs are starting to move again

    I'd be on board with ATJ. There are definitely worse rumoured choices out there.

    At least he tallies with the Fleming description. The GQ photo below screams Bond to me.

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    I agree 100%. IF this is indeed the course they plan to take, I'm good with it.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 4,133
    TripAces wrote: »
    I keep hearing rumours that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has screen tested for Bond and shot a gun barrel sequence with official announcement in March.Probably nothing but it appears the EON cogs are starting to move again

    I'd be on board with ATJ. There are definitely worse rumoured choices out there.

    At least he tallies with the Fleming description. The GQ photo below screams Bond to me.

    319985956_682508880200065_948758160611701390_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=437PxGKby38AX8VgsqW&_nc_ht=scontent.ffab1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBHCMAoGHrXNYqwVr2w0USVZZhiiWj9u2qVtS0kDl7O1Q&oe=639D34BA


    I agree 100%. IF this is indeed the course they plan to take, I'm good with it.

    I'm not sure if he even tallies with the Fleming Bond description in essence though. He's not especially cruel looking, he doesn't look vaguely like Hoagey Carmichael, he's certainly not got the scar on his cheek or comma of hair... I mean, he's got black hair, is about the right age and looks good in a suit, but he doesn't have, say, Craig's distinctive (and what can be described at times/in the right setting as rather cruel) eyes or Connery's rugged features that made him look slightly older than his years.

    That's not to say anything about his appearance as he is rules him out as Bond, but neither does it mean anything. Screen presence and demeanour in the role also count.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Ok guys I hope @peter doesn't mind me sharing this info but according to his source which I will not name the Aaron Taylor-Johnson rumors are certainly not true.

    I have to make a correction here @AmericanBondFan1994 ... The rumours of ATJ auditioning and scoring the role back in September, shooting a gun barrel and being announced in April/May was called a load of rubbish and BS.

    But is ATJ an actor that will be audioned because there's interest may and likely is still viable. As viable as any actor that Eon is interested in. I was told at the beginning of the ATJ rumours to put my ear plugs in and ignore.

    But the actor himself, we have to assume, will be one of the men they may audition (and that's if he genuinely wants it-- who knows if he does considering he's got a relationship with Eon, at least via his wife. What if BB and company didn't choose him? Would it sour a friendship?).

    So yes, I was told to ignore the reports, but ATJ is an obvious candidate and it's not to be assumed he won't be auditioned.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Univex wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I am going to say something shocking I think ATJ is being considered

    I do hope so. Who knows? Really, who knows? Decades of Bond community and we don't have a bloody insider? Cmon people, get your spy kit and suit up. No one knows anyone in the industry? :P

    With all our divergences and arm wrestling, we're a better bunch than the SW fan community, and all the other fan communities out there. We used to have a...what was his name? Yardbird, Yardborough? Who fed us some news directly from the source. But nowadays, in the age of communications, we have...nothing. Not a single source who could use us as much as we could use it/them. Debunking wise, at least.

    Oh well, here we are, discussing if news from the Sun are real...

    I still wish they were. Real, I mean. We shall see.

    A member from a different Bond Forum was an extra in Casino Royal (the casino sequence) and I remember it was great fun to read all his "insider" posts back then. He didn't spoil anything but it was nice to get an idea how the filming took place.
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    I remember that, @Tuxedo. We had some people throughout the years with some interesting insight on the productions.

    On a very different note, I was always a defender of Nicholas Hoult as a possible contender to the role, but, after watching "The Menu" - which I liked - I have serious doubts as to whether he'd be apt for it. I found him a bit child like and soft, and too tall. I mean, way too tall. And lacking in presence. Anya Taylor-Joy, meanwhile, stole the show. And yes, she should definitely be considered as a potential Bond girl. And do keep Ralph Fiennes as M, by all means, he's always brilliant.
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