Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    talos7 wrote: »
    Continuity need not drive or connect films. I can absolutely envision a series of independent adventures where the only continuity could be the mention of an event, or character from a previous film. Even characters such as Felix, returning need not create an elaborate running story continuity.

    Indiana Jones?

    Indiana Jones is a "retired" franchise though. Most franchise nowadays have a higher level of continuity and it has been the case since the early 2000. Anyway that's off topic.
    TFC1 wrote: »
    Has anyone been watching the new BBC1 Agatha Christie adaption "Towards Zero"? Oliver Jackson Cohen plays the lead in there and I know he is a name mentioned before. 38 years old, around 6ft 3 and playing a bit of a b@stard in there. Not sure he is right but passes the no beard / chin and voice test! :)

    Have only seen him in Hill House. Good actor, but can't picture him as Bond.
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    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    It's weird but I do think there is a thing of Bond being too tall. I've always said I think Henry Cavill is too big. If Bond is too much off a force, then it would be hard to believe anyone could get the better of him.

    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.
  • edited March 13 Posts: 4,765
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    It's weird but I do think there is a thing of Bond being too tall. I've always said I think Henry Cavill is too big. If Bond is too much off a force, then it would be hard to believe anyone could get the better of him.

    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.

    It’s a similar logic to how I view Aaron Pierre as a potential Bond. He’s obviously a big guy and looks it, but I think it’d take away that slight underdog quality Bond needs. If he were put up against Hinx, much less a Red Grant, I think there’d be less tension because they’re on a more equal footing in terms of physicality (sure, Craig was very bulky as Bond, but compared to Bautista it’s a different ball park. Even with Connery in FRWL, athletic as he was, you know he’s going to get a run for his money fighting Grant).

    Not to say Bond isn’t a physically demanding role and the actor shouldn’t get in shape for it (although not all the actors were overly athletic or even physical actors - Moore admitted he couldn’t run convincingly on screen! Heck in terms of physique Dalton and Brosnan also had a tendency to look a bit skinny when shirtless in their films and on the other end Connery had to suck in his stomach by FRWL). It’s more their natural build/physicality and the impression they give I guess.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah Roger didn't have to work out because he was so unusual genetically: his shoulders were so weirdly broad.
    I think the next Bond will be in pretty great shape, it's just where we are now and, to be honest, when I see Brosnan in those films I do slightly struggle with the idea of him being an ex special forces guy. Lazenby on the other hand does look as fit as a whippet.

    Aaron Pierre; I dunno, I'm still interested in him. I thought he did a great job in that Netflix film, he's got presence and feels like a real man's man. Plus he seems very smooth and stylish in various photoshoots etc. I tend to be more interested in the ones I can't perhaps fully see in the role, I want to be kind of excited by a new take on it. Someone mentioned elsewhere Chris Hemsworth, and I can't deny he'd be a good solid choice. A good movie star, albeit a bit old and with a terrible Brit accent; but I just wouldn't be excited by the idea. I know exactly what I'd get, and I kind of want something fresh from the new Bond.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.

    Yeah I think that's a real problem in that bit too. Bond almost looks monstrously large, it looks too easy for him.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    Ah but he does have a fine chest hair growth very reminiscent of Connery! :)
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    TFC1 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    Ah but he does have a fine chest hair growth very reminiscent of Connery! :)

    Hair chest is important. But eyebrows are the real deal. Eyebrows and a deep voice. Can't go wrong with that ;)
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I think you guys are forgetting how Craig looked in Casino....
  • Posts: 15,430
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    It's weird but I do think there is a thing of Bond being too tall. I've always said I think Henry Cavill is too big. If Bond is too much off a force, then it would be hard to believe anyone could get the better of him.

    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.

    One of the many issues I developed with TWINE. As much as I love Robert Carlyle as an actor, he's not very believable as a physical menace against Brosnan. Or anyone with a bit of size and muscle.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    It's weird but I do think there is a thing of Bond being too tall. I've always said I think Henry Cavill is too big. If Bond is too much off a force, then it would be hard to believe anyone could get the better of him.

    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.

    It’s a similar logic to how I view Aaron Pierre as a potential Bond. He’s obviously a big guy and looks it, but I think it’d take away that slight underdog quality Bond needs. If he were put up against Hinx, much less a Red Grant, I think there’d be less tension because they’re on a more equal footing in terms of physicality (sure, Craig was very bulky as Bond, but compared to Bautista it’s a different ball park. Even with Connery in FRWL, athletic as he was, you know he’s going to get a run for his money fighting Grant).

    Not to say Bond isn’t a physically demanding role and the actor shouldn’t get in shape for it (although not all the actors were overly athletic or even physical actors - Moore admitted he couldn’t run convincingly on screen! Heck in terms of physique Dalton and Brosnan also had a tendency to look a bit skinny when shirtless in their films and on the other end Connery had to suck in his stomach by FRWL). It’s more their natural build/physicality and the impression they give I guess.

    Bond's villains should not be equal to him, but superior to him: the henchmen should be stronger and the main villains smarter.
  • edited March 13 Posts: 4,765
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    It's weird but I do think there is a thing of Bond being too tall. I've always said I think Henry Cavill is too big. If Bond is too much off a force, then it would be hard to believe anyone could get the better of him.

    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.

    One of the many issues I developed with TWINE. As much as I love Robert Carlyle as an actor, he's not very believable as a physical menace against Brosnan. Or anyone with a bit of size and muscle.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    It's weird but I do think there is a thing of Bond being too tall. I've always said I think Henry Cavill is too big. If Bond is too much off a force, then it would be hard to believe anyone could get the better of him.

    I always think the end fight in TWINE suffers a bit because Bond towers over Renard, and I don't believe Renard would be a physical match for Bond. That's how I imagine almost anyone up against an actor the size of Cavill.

    It’s a similar logic to how I view Aaron Pierre as a potential Bond. He’s obviously a big guy and looks it, but I think it’d take away that slight underdog quality Bond needs. If he were put up against Hinx, much less a Red Grant, I think there’d be less tension because they’re on a more equal footing in terms of physicality (sure, Craig was very bulky as Bond, but compared to Bautista it’s a different ball park. Even with Connery in FRWL, athletic as he was, you know he’s going to get a run for his money fighting Grant).

    Not to say Bond isn’t a physically demanding role and the actor shouldn’t get in shape for it (although not all the actors were overly athletic or even physical actors - Moore admitted he couldn’t run convincingly on screen! Heck in terms of physique Dalton and Brosnan also had a tendency to look a bit skinny when shirtless in their films and on the other end Connery had to suck in his stomach by FRWL). It’s more their natural build/physicality and the impression they give I guess.

    Bond's villains should not be equal to him, but superior to him: the henchmen should be stronger and the main villains smarter.

    I agree at least in the broad sense that something about the villain and/or henchman has to be superior to Bond and these assets have to be used (you get an unfortunate situation like Green in QOS otherwise who isn't a physical threat to Bond, and his greatest quality - namely his sadism - isn't used against Bond, whereas instead they engage in an odd and rather pointless fight where Bond gets rid of him rather easily even when he has an axe).

    I suppose a villain who's not stronger than Bond could be superior and a threat (I feel TMWTGG would have been better had Nick Nack used his stature against Bond by being able to hide/move into in certain places or perhaps conceal certain weapons etc). Someone like Patrice in SF is a threat to Bond but not necessarily superior inherently speaking - of course this is due to the circumstances/physical injuries Bond finds himself in at the beginning of the film. I suppose in that sense he's superior to Bond... So I guess it depends.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Bond should always be smarter, quicker at thinking. All of the best Bond moments have him thinking laterally about a situation, where most people wouldn't see a solution, his pure bravado and confidence in himself sees a way of winning. So a line of crocodiles becomes a set of stepping stones, a seaplane and a harpoon becomes a way to waterski away, and a rope around a massive baddie's neck in a train fight becomes a way to pull him out of the carriage door.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Bond should always be smarter, quicker at thinking. All of the best Bond moments have him thinking laterally about a situation, where most people wouldn't see a solution, his pure bravado and confidence in himself sees a way of winning. So a line of crocodiles becomes a set of stepping stones, a seaplane and a harpoon becomes a way to waterski away, and a rope around a massive baddie's neck in a train fight becomes a way to pull him out of the carriage door.

    Or to use part of a snow vehicle, together with its braking parachute, to windsurf an Icelandic tsunami ? (DAD, for those who might have suppressed the memory of this scene)
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Continuity need not drive or connect films. I can absolutely envision a series of independent adventures where the only continuity could be the mention of an event, or character from a previous film. Even characters such as Felix, returning need not create an elaborate running story continuity.

    Indiana Jones?

    Indiana Jones is a "retired" franchise though. Most franchise nowadays have a higher level of continuity and it has been the case since the early 2000. Anyway that's off topic.
    TFC1 wrote: »
    Has anyone been watching the new BBC1 Agatha Christie adaption "Towards Zero"? Oliver Jackson Cohen plays the lead in there and I know he is a name mentioned before. 38 years old, around 6ft 3 and playing a bit of a b@stard in there. Not sure he is right but passes the no beard / chin and voice test! :)

    Have only seen him in Hill House. Good actor, but can't picture him as Bond.

    Agreed...N o t Bond
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Univex wrote: »
    Too tall, I mean, 1,91m? Rule of thumb, if anyone’s taller than Burt Lancaster, they’re just too tall ;)

    All of the Bond actors apart from Craig have been taller than Burt Lancaster.
  • weboffearweboffear Scotland
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    worth a look
  • Posts: 7,909
    Fassbender would have been a great choice, not impressed by his choices though 😉
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ah that's cool to know, thank you. Not surprising really, I'm sure they spoke to everyone!
  • Posts: 9,916
    Charlie Cox could do it
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I think it would be impressive ,just how many actors had informal meet and greets over the years.
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