Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Of the two Sasse definately has the right look. Would be intrueging if they gave him the scar on his right cheek.
    Definitely. I'm not sure how well that would physically work onscreen for any actor though. It's perhaps something that works best in the imagination.
    Well I'm quite good at the imagination part, and I think it'd bring him closer to the literary Bond than any of the actors we've had. Craigs face is weathered enough, with Brosnan I'm not sure it'd look convincing, Moore definately would look more like he'd been in an accident and both Connery and Lazenby had a 'lived and learned' face in the first place.
    But with him it'd have the effect of what I've Always thought of as Bond's background: elite but too rough for the fancy life, too hard edged and thus never really belonging anywhere.

    I wonder if Fleming got the idea from the now defunct 19th century German tradition for University students (male by definition then) to duel with sabres. One would have to do it at least once with the result of a cut in the face (and thus a scar) to count as a true man. Hence many who didn't want to take the risk got drunk and used a knife to get the same result.

    Anyway, as far as looks go, I think he's the only real contender for now. And seeing the YouTube videas of his interviews and Galahad or what's it called, it looks like he's got talent for sure.

  • edited June 2018 Posts: 1,661
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I want someone who is a little uncouth and surprising.

    That was the masterstroke in casting Daniel Craig. He was very atypical from what many anticipated we would get. His casting was bold and risky. I want them to keep that same energy and bring in someone who has a little more grit.

    Personally, I think the 'next Bond' is someone no one has mentioned yet. None of us would have anticipated that Daniel Craig would get the part in 2002. I think Barbara wants to surprise audiences with the next choice.

    Personally, I think someone like Joel Edgerton is someone who could have played the role a few years back, he's far too old now.
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    Someone I've been heavily advocating for a while is Jack O'Connell, I think he's the right age, he's edgy, he's masculine, he's sexy and (speaking as a man) he has that bloke's bloke quality that Connery and Craig have.

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    James Bond isn't meant to be uncouth or a bloke's bloke. Why do you seek to reinvent Bond's persona to justify your personal choices for the role? That seems a selfish way to cast the role. I don't think Craig is particularly uncouth in the role. Also, the notion Connery was a bloke's bloke kind of Bond - seems absurd. Connery's Bond intro was in an expensive casino, he was playing chemin de fer, not down the local bookie playing the 1960s equivalent of a fixed-odds betting machine! With respect, do you actually understand who James Bond is? Seems doubtful.

    Seens like a massive overreaction, accusing one of the most thoughtful posters on here of knowing nothing about Bond because of his preferences. I don't know what the actual definition is but I think what @Pierce2Daniel meant by a man's man (or bloke's bloke or whatever) is the way I've always used that term: very traditionally masculine. Rugged, tough. Connery and Craig definitely fit that bill.

    Personally I agree with wanting someone a bit more 'uncouth' as well. Bond is suave and refined sure but he needs something a bit rough about him too imo, a bit of an edge (Moore didn't really have this at all to be fair but he was one of a kind and made up for it with bucket loads of charm). He can't be too posh and poncey.

    You say
    "Personally I agree with wanting someone a bit more 'uncouth' as well. Bond is suave and refined sure but he needs something a bit rough about him too imo, a bit of an edge (Moore didn't really have this at all to be fair but he was one of a kind and made up for it with bucket loads of charm). He can't be too posh and poncey."

    Refined and uncouth cannot sit together in the same sentence! How can Bond be refined and suave but uncouth? It's impossible. James Bond is not some posh boy prefect type that kills people and goes home and cries himself to sleep "oh dear, I shouldn't have murdered that man!" We all know Bond is a hard, sometimes cruel man, and his occupation requires him to kill, but it's sending out confused signals if you want the next actor to be semi-uncouth/semi-rough *and* refined. I don't think that's possible. Sean Connery admitted his Bond persona was based on director Terence Young's direction. Young didn't envisage Bond as rough or uncouth. I'm sure Young's vision of Bond was based on what he knew of the character via Fleming's work.

    I think it's fair to say Craig's casting has changed Bond. He's less of a playboy, refined type, perhaps a little more "everyman' in tone but I don't think Craig set out to play Bond as some uncouth thug type. If Craig were to admit that, fair enough, but I don't think he set out to downplay Bond's sophisticated persona and make him a thug. If some fans want to take Craig's persona to the next level and actively make Bond actor #7 more uncouth/rough then it will be a full reinvention of Ian Fleming's character. Could it be a box office success? Perhaps, perhaps not. Who knows, perhaps the world needs a different type of James Bond? I'd prefer to stick with a more conventional Bond.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I want someone who is a little uncouth and surprising.

    That was the masterstroke in casting Daniel Craig. He was very atypical from what many anticipated we would get. His casting was bold and risky. I want them to keep that same energy and bring in someone who has a little more grit.

    Personally, I think the 'next Bond' is someone no one has mentioned yet. None of us would have anticipated that Daniel Craig would get the part in 2002. I think Barbara wants to surprise audiences with the next choice.

    Personally, I think someone like Joel Edgerton is someone who could have played the role a few years back, he's far too old now.
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    Someone I've been heavily advocating for a while is Jack O'Connell, I think he's the right age, he's edgy, he's masculine, he's sexy and (speaking as a man) he has that bloke's bloke quality that Connery and Craig have.

    Jack-Oconnell-esquire.jpg?itok=PB-PSdP2

    James Bond isn't meant to be uncouth or a bloke's bloke. Why do you seek to reinvent Bond's persona to justify your personal choices for the role? That seems a selfish way to cast the role. I don't think Craig is particularly uncouth in the role. Also, the notion Connery was a bloke's bloke kind of Bond - seems absurd. Connery's Bond intro was in an expensive casino, he was playing chemin de fer, not down the local bookie playing the 1960s equivalent of a fixed-odds betting machine! With respect, do you actually understand who James Bond is? Seems doubtful.

    Seens like a massive overreaction, accusing one of the most thoughtful posters on here of knowing nothing about Bond because of his preferences. I don't know what the actual definition is but I think what @Pierce2Daniel meant by a man's man (or bloke's bloke or whatever) is the way I've always used that term: very traditionally masculine. Rugged, tough. Connery and Craig definitely fit that bill.

    Personally I agree with wanting someone a bit more 'uncouth' as well. Bond is suave and refined sure but he needs something a bit rough about him too imo, a bit of an edge (Moore didn't really have this at all to be fair but he was one of a kind and made up for it with bucket loads of charm). He can't be too posh and poncey.

    You say
    "Personally I agree with wanting someone a bit more 'uncouth' as well. Bond is suave and refined sure but he needs something a bit rough about him too imo, a bit of an edge (Moore didn't really have this at all to be fair but he was one of a kind and made up for it with bucket loads of charm). He can't be too posh and poncey."

    Refined and uncouth cannot sit together in the same sentence! How can Bond be refined and suave but uncouth? It's impossible. James Bond is not some posh boy prefect type that kills people and goes home and cries himself to sleep "oh dear, I shouldn't have murdered that man!" We all know Bond is a hard, sometimes cruel man, and his occupation requires him to kill, but it's sending out confused signals if you want the next actor to be semi-uncouth/semi-rough *and* refined. I don't think that's possible. Sean Connery admitted his Bond persona was based on director Terence Young's direction. Young didn't envisage Bond as rough or uncouth. I'm sure Young's vision of Bond was based on what he knew of the character via Fleming's work.

    I think it's fair to say Craig's casting has changed Bond. He's less of a playboy, refined type, perhaps a little more "everyman' in tone but I don't think Craig set out to play Bond as some uncouth thug type. If Craig were to admit that, fair enough, but I don't think he set out to downplay Bond's sophisticated persona and make him a thug. If some fans want to take Craig's persona to the next level and actively make Bond actor #7 more uncouth/rough then it will be a full reinvention of Ian Fleming's character. Could it be a box office success? Perhaps, perhaps not. Who knows, perhaps the world needs a different type of James Bond? I'd prefer to stick with a more conventional Bond.

    Since when can't refined men be killers? The fact that you know how to behave in public, know your wines, know how to adress people, doesn't mean you can't kill them if necessary. And it certianly doesn't imply one beeing emotionally involved.

    Of course Terence Young based Bond on Fleming, on who else? There weren't many continuation writers just yet.

    For the time, 1962, Connery was certainly very hard-edged. the films were far more violent than the public was used to. Of course we're used to far more now, but for the times Bond was increadably rough.

    I agree that Bond certainly shouldn't be uncouth, and perhaps the 'bloke's bloke' is indeed not the best term to be used. But this is all too one-dimentional if you ask me. Bond should be a chamelion. He's working for MI6, he's got the blandest name Fleming could find. He doesn't want to stand out. The fun part is, a good actor has the same qualities. I think Craig has shown that like no other. Watch any interview he gives and you know the guy is definately no 'Bond' in his daily life, but he's capable of transforming into him.
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I want someone who is a little uncouth and surprising.

    That was the masterstroke in casting Daniel Craig. He was very atypical from what many anticipated we would get. His casting was bold and risky. I want them to keep that same energy and bring in someone who has a little more grit.

    Personally, I think the 'next Bond' is someone no one has mentioned yet. None of us would have anticipated that Daniel Craig would get the part in 2002. I think Barbara wants to surprise audiences with the next choice.

    Personally, I think someone like Joel Edgerton is someone who could have played the role a few years back, he's far too old now.
    joel2-1513267596.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.414xh;0,0.110xh&resize=768:*

    Someone I've been heavily advocating for a while is Jack O'Connell, I think he's the right age, he's edgy, he's masculine, he's sexy and (speaking as a man) he has that bloke's bloke quality that Connery and Craig have.

    Jack-Oconnell-esquire.jpg?itok=PB-PSdP2

    James Bond isn't meant to be uncouth or a bloke's bloke. Why do you seek to reinvent Bond's persona to justify your personal choices for the role? That seems a selfish way to cast the role. I don't think Craig is particularly uncouth in the role. Also, the notion Connery was a bloke's bloke kind of Bond - seems absurd. Connery's Bond intro was in an expensive casino, he was playing chemin de fer, not down the local bookie playing the 1960s equivalent of a fixed-odds betting machine! With respect, do you actually understand who James Bond is? Seems doubtful.

    Seens like a massive overreaction, accusing one of the most thoughtful posters on here of knowing nothing about Bond because of his preferences. I don't know what the actual definition is but I think what @Pierce2Daniel meant by a man's man (or bloke's bloke or whatever) is the way I've always used that term: very traditionally masculine. Rugged, tough. Connery and Craig definitely fit that bill.

    Personally I agree with wanting someone a bit more 'uncouth' as well. Bond is suave and refined sure but he needs something a bit rough about him too imo, a bit of an edge (Moore didn't really have this at all to be fair but he was one of a kind and made up for it with bucket loads of charm). He can't be too posh and poncey.

    You say
    "Personally I agree with wanting someone a bit more 'uncouth' as well. Bond is suave and refined sure but he needs something a bit rough about him too imo, a bit of an edge (Moore didn't really have this at all to be fair but he was one of a kind and made up for it with bucket loads of charm). He can't be too posh and poncey."

    Refined and uncouth cannot sit together in the same sentence! How can Bond be refined and suave but uncouth? It's impossible. James Bond is not some posh boy prefect type that kills people and goes home and cries himself to sleep "oh dear, I shouldn't have murdered that man!" We all know Bond is a hard, sometimes cruel man, and his occupation requires him to kill, but it's sending out confused signals if you want the next actor to be semi-uncouth/semi-rough *and* refined. I don't think that's possible. Sean Connery admitted his Bond persona was based on director Terence Young's direction. Young didn't envisage Bond as rough or uncouth. I'm sure Young's vision of Bond was based on what he knew of the character via Fleming's work.

    I think it's fair to say Craig's casting has changed Bond. He's less of a playboy, refined type, perhaps a little more "everyman' in tone but I don't think Craig set out to play Bond as some uncouth thug type. If Craig were to admit that, fair enough, but I don't think he set out to downplay Bond's sophisticated persona and make him a thug. If some fans want to take Craig's persona to the next level and actively make Bond actor #7 more uncouth/rough then it will be a full reinvention of Ian Fleming's character. Could it be a box office success? Perhaps, perhaps not. Who knows, perhaps the world needs a different type of James Bond? I'd prefer to stick with a more conventional Bond.

    You're reading way too much into things. All we're saying is that Bond should have a bit of an edge to him, a bit of roughness. No more than Connery, Dalton and Craig all had (and I thought I made that clear by mentioning them). I meant a bit more uncouth in comparison to some of the pretty boy types suggested, not in comparison to the actors we've had already or in comparison to Fleming's Bond. That's all. If I used the wrong wording then I'm sorry but seriously, calm down. I'm not advocating reinventing the character at all.
  • edited June 2018 Posts: 111
    It's been mentioned before on this thread how the pool of possible Bonds this time around is so weak. Sometimes I like to use IMDb's search facility to see which young British actors are popular on the site. To look for a potential new Bond one could adapt the search to look for actors born in the UK between 1978 and 1990. Unfortunately this yields actors who have already been discussed and nobody new of note -

    https://www.imdb.com/search/name?birth_date=1978-01-01,1990-12-31&birth_place=UK&gender=male&count=100

    So why is the pool so slight this time? Well if you're looking for the new Bond on British TV, then good luck. If you were to ask me who were the most prolific actors on British TV at the moment I'd have to say Suranne Jones, Maxine Peake, Olivia Colman, Sheridan Smith, Sarah Lancashire, Nicola Walker, Keeley Hawes, Jessica Raines, Jodie Whittaker, Anna Friel and so on. It's hard to think of male equivalents, maybe David Morrissey and James Norton. It's no surprise that when a young male actor does crop up he is immediately linked with Bond because they are in such short supply, i.e. Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston and James Norton.

    British TV drama is feminized and feminist. If you're looking for a tough thriller with a male lead there's Peaky Blinders and that's about it. Even Strike Back has returned with tough females in charge and the men, 5ft 7in wimps. In such a climate no wonder the search for a new Bond is so difficult. White males and particularly alpha white males are out of favour with those in charge.

    Then there's the British film industry. Want to make a commercial thriller aimed at a male audience with a white male lead? Then you're not getting any lottery money. Want to make a film about Scottish drug addicted lesbians? Here's plenty of cash to pour down the drain.

    So we're dependent on British actors gaining ground in the US for our new Bond. Here the public school brigade seems to dominate - Cumberbatch, Hiddleston, Lewis, Stevens, Redmayne, etc. It's difficult to imagine any of them acquiring the necessary physicality. Also US TV seems to be going through a diversity drive at the moment which means the new shows are not picking up as many male Brits as they used to.

    If current trends continue we'll eventually be casting another male model with no acting experience as Bond.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bond doesn t need to be British. The actor, I mean.
  • Bond doesn t need to be British. The actor, I mean.

    True, and I think we could well see an Australian as Bond this time around as their actors still seem to be vaguely masculine.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bond doesn t need to be British. The actor, I mean.

    True, and I think we could well see an Australian as Bond this time around as their actors still seem to be vaguely masculine.

    Do you have anyone particular in mind?
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I can't believe there are so many people here that want that guy Jack O'Connell. He doesn't look anything like Bond. Is there something wrong with me here? Take a look at this picture:

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    He's the one on the right. He's standing next to Sam Claflin, who is a fairly small guy himself.

    He should also be taller than the women he stands next too. I know Jolie is probably wearing heels here, but damn:

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    Angelina Jolie looks more like Bond here.

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    I'm sure he's a good actor, but the guy looks like he should be playing the lead elf in a Santa Claus movie.

    I'm not sold on Jack O Connell either. It's not the height, it's just that there's nothing about him that remotely makes me think of Bond. It's almost akin to posting a picture of Richard Klein in the role of Larry from THREE'S COMPANY, and suggesting him for Bond.
    Just based on the above pictures, this O Connell guy reminds me more of E from ENTOURAGE than the dashing and deadly 007.

    I couldn't disagree more.

    To play Bond you don't have to actually be a toff. It's a role that requires an actor to act the part.

    Both Craig and Connery have a working class attitude and energy. If anything that rough swagger worked perfectly when combined with Bond's more upper-class characterisation. It created a certain friction that made their portrayals that little more spirited and alive.

    If some posh boy played the role, the Bond mystic would be missed. You need someone who can not only bring the requisite suavity required, but also that unpredictable and dangerous element - Bond is a a killer after all. Arguable both Moore and Brosnan overplayed the more smooth and unctuous elements of Bond's character because they severely lacked any real threat or menace. You have to believe that Bond is the best - not just be told he is.

    When Connery and Craig were in a fight I believe it. When they are smooth and charming, I equally believe it (though more so than Connery).

    I'll admit I haven't seen Jack O'Connell play a smooth operator yet, but he has a certain untapped quality that I find very provocative and interesting. Not too dissimilar to Craig - who only played villains before getting the chance to show his charisma in Layer Cake (which was really the role that put him on Eon's radar).

    O'Connell is a compelling performer who brings a committed intensity to any role he's in. He seems like the sort of actor with a streak of recklessness in him, that feral quality that makes his performances come alive. He reminds me of Tom Hardy, Gary Oldman, Michael Fassbender, Daniel Day-Lewis - that pantheon of actors who are committed almost to a fault in their craft.

    I truly believe he's one of the most exciting British actors working today.

    I think he has that 'man's man' quality - I don't mean he's some kind of Alpha-Phil-Mitchell-archetype; but he's the sort of actor I can imagine woman loving as equally as their husbands or boyfriends will. In many respects, the same way guys love watching Tom Hardy and woman love fawning over him. I'm pretty certain no man rushes out to see the new Tom Hiddleston film.

    If you haven't seen Starred Up or '71, do so. They're great films and O'Connell shows serious promise.

    For a flavour of O'Connell's intensity just see this clip:


    As for those concerned about his height - Hollywood has been making short men movies stars for a long time.

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    Do you have anyone particular in mind?

    No, but off the top of my head maybe someone like Sean Bean lookalike Luke Bracey.

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    There's also other actors from other countries of the Commonwealth one could think about I guess: Canada, South Africa, New Zealand. If one can have a natural British accent of course.
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    I looked up more pictures and videos of Luke Bracey and I think he's a really good suggestion. Masculine as you said, has a deeper voice, 29 years old, 6 foot. He does look quite a bit like a younger Sean Bean.

    As far as that video of Jack O'Connell, I don't see James Bond as anything remotely similar to the character in that video. The guy in the blue tie looked much more like Bond to me.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I looked up more pictures and videos of Luke Bracey and I think he's a really good suggestion. Masculine as you said, has a deeper voice, 29 years old, 6 foot. He does look quite a bit like a younger Sean Bean.

    As far as that video of Jack O'Connell, I don't see James Bond as anything remotely similar to the character in that video. The guy in the blue tie looked much more like Bond to me.
    +1. Agreed regarding O'Connell.

    Also agreed about Bracey being a Sean Bean lookalike. Sort of. I wouldn't be against his casting. Liked him in both The November Man and Hacksaw Ridge.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    After seeing that clip. Just no to O'Connell.
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    After re-watching the Jack O'Connell clip I also noticed that he sure has a voice to match his tiny stature.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    After seeing that clip. Just no to O'Connell.
    My thoughts exactly. :))
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    If this Luke Bracey can ACT then sign him up! Give him the best dialect coach in the business and we're all good.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Do you have anyone particular in mind?

    No, but off the top of my head maybe someone like Sean Bean lookalike Luke Bracey.

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    He has a decent look to him, that's for sure.

    I've only seen him in November Man and I'm afraid that he made next to no impression on me there. I felt that Brosnan completely overshadowed him.

    Having said that, he's certainly physically more appropriate to me than this O'Connell chap. Everything that has been posted here recently does more to convince me that he's not right for it. In fact, if by some odd chance he is cast as Bond, I think I'll be out until his run is done.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Of the two Sasse definately has the right look. Would be intrueging if they gave him the scar on his right cheek.
    Definitely. I'm not sure how well that would physically work onscreen for any actor though. It's perhaps something that works best in the imagination.
    Well I'm quite good at the imagination part, and I think it'd bring him closer to the literary Bond than any of the actors we've had. Craigs face is weathered enough, with Brosnan I'm not sure it'd look convincing, Moore definately would look more like he'd been in an accident and both Connery and Lazenby had a 'lived and learned' face in the first place.
    But with him it'd have the effect of what I've Always thought of as Bond's background: elite but too rough for the fancy life, too hard edged and thus never really belonging anywhere.

    I wonder if Fleming got the idea from the now defunct 19th century German tradition for University students (male by definition then) to duel with sabres. One would have to do it at least once with the result of a cut in the face (and thus a scar) to count as a true man. Hence many who didn't want to take the risk got drunk and used a knife to get the same result.

    Anyway, as far as looks go, I think he's the only real contender for now. And seeing the YouTube videas of his interviews and Galahad or what's it called, it looks like he's got talent for sure.
    I saw a few of those videos online too and agree. There is potential and he is physically very good, but I can't see him being seriously considered by Babs without some meaty and critically acclaimed roles under his belt first.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    @bondjames not to mention that Bracey is a bad actor.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    He's not a groundbreaking brilliant actor, but he's far from being a bad one.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    He's certainly no Sean Bean @JamesBondKenya , despite the visual similarities. Another one who just doesn't seem to stand out. More than anything I think that is a prerequisite for Bond. An actor in this role must command the screen and have presence, either via his actual acting or physically. Preferably both.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    unfortunately we have all gone through a number of names and faces, and there is no obvious heir-apparent.

    So I have a suggestion: lets see what Craig and Boyle bring to 25, enjoy it (or not), and then see who EoN chooses as B007.

    Does that make sense, or am I crazy?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm of the opinion that on a James Bond fansite we should be able to do both.

    I'm happy for the names to keep coming (including those who have been mentioned previously). I look forward to justification for any choices as well, because there might be something I can learn from members as to why they favour certain candidates. There's always something positive about everyone put forward anyway, and I'm certainly not all that familiar with every name.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    peter wrote: »
    unfortunately we have all gone through a number of names and faces, and there is no obvious heir-apparent.

    So I have a suggestion: lets see what Craig and Boyle bring to 25, enjoy it (or not), and then see who EoN chooses as B007.

    Does that make sense, or am I crazy?

    There is always Fassbender
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Brozza backs Hardy. Apart from height, I'm open to him due to his immense versatility. Besides, if it's Nolan next time out, he has as much of shot as anyone I suppose. I'd sure prefer him to that Styles fellow.

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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm of the opinion that on a James Bond fansite we should be able to do both.

    I'm happy for the names to keep coming (including those who have been mentioned previously). I look forward to justification for any choices as well, because there might be something I can learn from members as to why they favour certain candidates. There's always something positive about everyone put forward anyway, and I'm certainly not all that familiar with every name.

    Completely agree. If anything, the discussion not only provides a (sometimes) interesting discussion, but also the opportunity to discover the work of unfamiliar names.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    problem is, it's the same old names-- in most cases.

    In the end, the metro-sexualization of the modern young actor is a bloody travesty and has watered down what it means to be a man. And therefore has watered down the choices of potential Bond candidates.

    Recently watched The Good Guys and I so miss the likes of Crowe, who I have admired ever since he did a frightening turn as the lead skinhead, Hando, in Romper Stomper.
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    but also the opportunity to discover the work of unfamiliar names.

    With this in mind, even if you don't see him as Bond, I think anyone who hasn't should give Starred Up a watch. That clip reminded me how good he is in it and I think it's a shame it didn't get more recognition at the time.

    I have no idea how it works so I'm sure that people more well informed than I am will tell me I'm talking bollocks and probably provide a bunch of examples proving me wrong, but from my casual film fan perspective, I think it's a shame that the BAFTA's don't do more to honour films like that (small but great British films) instead of just being a sort of proto Oscars and giving all the big prizes to those you'd expect. Jack O'Connell was as good in Starred Up as any best actor nominee, and Johnny Harris in Jawbone is another more recent example. Tyranasour a few years back too. Like I said, there could be lots of examples I've forgotten proving me wrong. But from my perspective, every now and again there's a great British indie film that comes out and leaves me thinking that was really brilliant, and BAFTA (the British academy) seem to take no notice every time. It might get some sort of best debut, best British or rising star award but the nominations for the big prizes often seem to be saved for the big Oscar baity ones you expect to see.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    It's been mentioned before on this thread how the pool of possible Bonds this time around is so weak. Sometimes I like to use IMDb's search facility to see which young British actors are popular on the site. To look for a potential new Bond one could adapt the search to look for actors born in the UK between 1978 and 1990. Unfortunately this yields actors who have already been discussed and nobody new of note -

    https://www.imdb.com/search/name?birth_date=1978-01-01,1990-12-31&birth_place=UK&gender=male&count=100

    So why is the pool so slight this time? Well if you're looking for the new Bond on British TV, then good luck. If you were to ask me who were the most prolific actors on British TV at the moment I'd have to say Suranne Jones, Maxine Peake, Olivia Colman, Sheridan Smith, Sarah Lancashire, Nicola Walker, Keeley Hawes, Jessica Raines, Jodie Whittaker, Anna Friel and so on. It's hard to think of male equivalents, maybe David Morrissey and James Norton. It's no surprise that when a young male actor does crop up he is immediately linked with Bond because they are in such short supply, i.e. Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston and James Norton.

    British TV drama is feminized and feminist. If you're looking for a tough thriller with a male lead there's Peaky Blinders and that's about it. Even Strike Back has returned with tough females in charge and the men, 5ft 7in wimps. In such a climate no wonder the search for a new Bond is so difficult. White males and particularly alpha white males are out of favour with those in charge.

    Then there's the British film industry. Want to make a commercial thriller aimed at a male audience with a white male lead? Then you're not getting any lottery money. Want to make a film about Scottish drug addicted lesbians? Here's plenty of cash to pour down the drain.

    So we're dependent on British actors gaining ground in the US for our new Bond. Here the public school brigade seems to dominate - Cumberbatch, Hiddleston, Lewis, Stevens, Redmayne, etc. It's difficult to imagine any of them acquiring the necessary physicality. Also US TV seems to be going through a diversity drive at the moment which means the new shows are not picking up as many male Brits as they used to.

    If current trends continue we'll eventually be casting another male model with no acting experience as Bond.

    Wow-- i missed this post originally.

    @Bond_Bombshell nails it.

    Agreed-- and hopefully, after Craig, no male models will be in sight... It's not like I want Craig 2.0 (because like Connery, Moore and the others), there is only one Craig.

    But we, generally, thrive off of the more masculine 007. And there's not one of these in eyes-view. That's why I always say: good luck casting after Craig-- he certainly seems to be a part of dying breed of masculinity.

    Hiddleston?... Seriously? The worst of the bunch and I am happy that, if rumours I hear are true, he was loosely considered and fell on the sock-boner that was his underwear shoot.

    We don't need another Moore-Bond. He was one of a kind in a very different era. And Hiddles would pale in every way.

    I suppose if they were to go with a known (and I'm not convinced they will), Hemsworth would be the most inoffensive candidate at the moment. He is charming and hunky. I just hope he could pull off the killer that Craig/Connery, and, to a degree, Lazenby has/had in spades.

    Henry Cavill is a friend of a friend. He's known to be a very good guy. He has a body to die for. He is physical. I'm afraid his acting ability, even as assessed by those in the industry, suggest: he needs work. He may come off well in a fight scene, but, how does he pull off a scene with Tatiana in FRWL. I'm guessing (like Dryden's contact): "not well"...
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    A couple of good posts from @Bond_Bombshell and @peter here. The only thing I'd disagree with is that I'd still put Cavill above the majority of the other candidates that have been doing the rounds here. Cavill is still growing as an actor and it'll be interesting to see how he fairs in the new MI movie. He might lack my own preferred "working-class roots actor in the role" but he at least has enough of the required masculinity and right look to succeed. It's a tricky one for sure.

    On another note, I do find it strange that a Bond candidate has to re-enact scenes from FRWL for a screen-test; a vastly superior script (and movie) that the eventual winner will not be given anything remotely close to. Maybe they need to be screen-tested against a couple P&W scenes, which is now the new Bond gold-standard?
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