Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Okay gents, this is getting off topic.
    Let's get back on track please.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Ah, once again, the Chaos Theory is on display.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    ha. he'd probably have been better than Brozza. but not my first choice either

    Being better than Brosnan really isn t enough if you want to be a decent Bond.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    That is an achievement in itself.
  • Posts: 11,425
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is
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    Brosnan objectively made Bond popular again, or at least contributed to it to a degree. Would a different new actor have made GE a success? I think so, but Brosnan was plebiscited then.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    And clearly also what serious is.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.

    This is an opinion I share too (wrote about it in the production thread earlier). Brosnan puts a smile on my face when watching Bond, Craig rarely does - and I feel that's an important thing. It's not about who's the better actor, it's about who sells you the "Bond experience" best.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2018 Posts: 23,883
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.
    I definitely agree. There's a fine line between bringing Bond's inner conflict to screen and making him into a mean spirited grump. I've said this previously, but there was nothing about the Bond in SP which I found remotely likable or appealing. That's a function of acting and characterization as much as it is script.

    Was Brosnan a bit of a lightweight as Bond? Did he overdo it on occasion? No doubt and such instances are well documented. However, I think he also did a decent enough job with some incredibly lousy scripts. As with Dalton, I think the blame lies with the producers, who didn't commit fully to their actor.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree. Campbell kept his worst impulses in check and yet got a great performance out of him and everyone else. I think he did the same for Craig as well. He gets a bit of flack here these days and he may not be the most stylistic or flamboyant film maker, but the man knows how to convey the best of Bond on screen. He just gets it as far as I'm concerned. None of the others in the last 25 years have. Campbell to Bond is like McQuarrie to MI.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.

    This is an opinion I share too (wrote about it in the production thread earlier). Brosnan puts a smile on my face when watching Bond, Craig rarely does - and I feel that's an important thing. It's not about who's the better actor, it's about who sells you the "Bond experience" best.

    Yes, sir! That's it. The Bond experience. I feel like that's what encompasses what Bond is all about and separates him from everone/everything else in Hollywood. Bond really is an experience and the people involved making these films from producers, to lead actor/actress, director, composer....all of that is why we have a million and 1 pages where none of can really agree on who would be a great choice to play Bond. We're all looking for the factor that can provide the capacity to deliver on that Bond experience and history has shown us that we can speculate till the cows come home on our choices but we'll never truly know until we see everything unfold in the big screen.

    In any case, I think there's a general base line needed for the portrayal of Bond and every Bond actor so far has delivered with varying degrees. Brosnan definitely had it, the guy looked like he was having the time of his life, really selling that old adage of "who every man wants to be".

    Even Craig...in CR up until M told him the deposit of the poker game winnings hadn't been made; he was swimming with that special Bond factor where one could imagine and enjoy being this man. He was a ruthless killing machine but had a relaxed and playful nature to him as depicted many times throughout the film before running all over the gaff in St.Mark's Square.
    bondjames wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.
    I definitely agree. There's a fine line between bringing Bond's inner conflict to screen and making him into a mean spirited grump. I've said this previously, but there was nothing about the Bond in SP which I found remotely likable or appealing. That's a function of acting and characterization as much as it is script.

    Was Brosnan a bit of a lightweight as Bond? Did he overdo it on occasion? No doubt and such instances are well documented. However, I think he also did a decent enough job with some incredibly lousy scripts. As with Dalton, I think the blame lies with the producers, who didn't commit fully to their actor.

    100% agreed. CraigBond in SP felt like a betrayal of what Craig started and was working towards in terms if character development. Everything for the most part felt half-hearted, forced, insincere, pastiche and as a member of the audience I felt utterly detached from Bond. I just didn't care or have any investment in anything he did or was doing.

    Brosnan...now he had this natural charm where I don't know if it was a case where he just felt extremely delighted he was playing Bond but you could see that no matter how good or bad he or the film was, he pulled you in for the ride he was on.

    Bond needs to be fun and exciting dangnabbit.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.

    This is an opinion I share too (wrote about it in the production thread earlier). Brosnan puts a smile on my face when watching Bond, Craig rarely does - and I feel that's an important thing. It's not about who's the better actor, it's about who sells you the "Bond experience" best. [/quote

    Here here.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Goldblum is a legend. One of a kind. He's a bit of a freak too. Eccentric. From a couple of nights ago.


    I don’t think he could play Bond
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 17,753
    doubleoego wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Say what you will about Brosnan but he sure made Bond being fun.

    all a matter of perspective. clearly people have lots of different perspectives on what fun is

    True but I don't deny there were limitations in his skills as an actor but for me, his portrayal of the character wasn't heavily shrouded with a heavily melancholic disposition or a dourness that made being the character such a depressing chore. Brosnan's films aren't the best and he's by no means the best Bond but I'd rather be his Bond than Craig's that's for sure.

    This is an opinion I share too (wrote about it in the production thread earlier). Brosnan puts a smile on my face when watching Bond, Craig rarely does - and I feel that's an important thing. It's not about who's the better actor, it's about who sells you the "Bond experience" best.

    Yes, sir! That's it. The Bond experience. I feel like that's what encompasses what Bond is all about and separates him from everone/everything else in Hollywood. Bond really is an experience and the people involved making these films from producers, to lead actor/actress, director, composer....all of that is why we have a million and 1 pages where none of can really agree on who would be a great choice to play Bond. We're all looking for the factor that can provide the capacity to deliver on that Bond experience and history has shown us that we can speculate till the cows come home on our choices but we'll never truly know until we see everything unfold in the big screen.

    In any case, I think there's a general base line needed for the portrayal of Bond and every Bond actor so far has delivered with varying degrees. Brosnan definitely had it, the guy looked like he was having the time of his life, really selling that old adage of "who every man wants to be".

    Even Craig...in CR up until M told him the deposit of the poker game winnings hadn't been made; he was swimming with that special Bond factor where one could imagine and enjoy being this man. He was a ruthless killing machine but had a relaxed and playful nature to him as depicted many times throughout the film before running all over the gaff in St.Mark's Square.

    Well said! Whoever gets the part needs to sell us the experience most of all. What we've seen with the 6 actors we've had, is how different a portrayal can be, but the important thing is to tick the right boxes.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited September 2018 Posts: 1,318
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree. Campbell kept his worst impulses in check and yet got a great performance out of him and everyone else. I think he did the same for Craig as well. He gets a bit of flack here these days and he may not be the most stylistic or flamboyant film maker, but the man knows how to convey the best of Bond on screen. He just gets it as far as I'm concerned. None of the others in the last 25 years have. Campbell to Bond is like McQuarrie to MI.

    The key ingredient which it entails in my opinion is this 'manly' cut the bs gusto. Connery had this in spades, especially seen in GF, a little cheeky and most of the times a little aloof, too. Campbell doesn't screw around either, has hard opinions and is quite dominant in his vision. This is what Bond needs, now more than ever. Enough with the emo introspection, bring back Bond with the quintessential gusto.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree. Campbell kept his worst impulses in check and yet got a great performance out of him and everyone else. I think he did the same for Craig as well. He gets a bit of flack here these days and he may not be the most stylistic or flamboyant film maker, but the man knows how to convey the best of Bond on screen. He just gets it as far as I'm concerned. None of the others in the last 25 years have. Campbell to Bond is like McQuarrie to MI.

    The key ingredient which it entails in my opinion is this 'manly' cut the bs gusto. Connery had this in spades, especially seen in GF, a little cheeky and most of the times a little aloof, too. Campbell doesn't screw around either, has hard opinions and is quite dominant in his vision. This is what Bond needs, now more than ever. Enough with the emo introspection, bring back Bond with the quintessential gusto.
    I quite agree. It might be more difficult in this political climate, but that is certainly an essential ingredient of the character, even if it's superficial.

    As an example, in GE: "kill her, she means nothing to me". We know she does but he won't show it.

    In CR: "well then you're an idiot. I said you're a bloody idiot". Obviously arrogant and in the moment ego manifestation at his overconfident loss and misread of Le Chiffre's tell, but an essential ingredient of the character
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited September 2018 Posts: 1,318
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree. Campbell kept his worst impulses in check and yet got a great performance out of him and everyone else. I think he did the same for Craig as well. He gets a bit of flack here these days and he may not be the most stylistic or flamboyant film maker, but the man knows how to convey the best of Bond on screen. He just gets it as far as I'm concerned. None of the others in the last 25 years have. Campbell to Bond is like McQuarrie to MI.

    The key ingredient which it entails in my opinion is this 'manly' cut the bs gusto. Connery had this in spades, especially seen in GF, a little cheeky and most of the times a little aloof, too. Campbell doesn't screw around either, has hard opinions and is quite dominant in his vision. This is what Bond needs, now more than ever. Enough with the emo introspection, bring back Bond with the quintessential gusto.
    I quite agree. It might be more difficult in this political climate, but that is certainly an essential ingredient of the character, even if it's superficial.

    As an example, in GE: "kill her, she means nothing to me". We know she does but he won't show it.

    In CR: "well then you're an idiot. I said you're a bloody idiot". Obviously arrogant and in the moment ego manifestation at his overconfident loss and misread of Le Chiffre's tell, but an essential ingredient of the character

    Interesting quotes and indeed they underline what the character essentially is about. In the current climate we are debating whether Bond could or should be black, a female, a transgender with one leg. Well perhaps not the last one, but in the current political climate as you state things have gone south and not the sunny variant. Bond has been successful all these years because of the formula Bond (truly) is. Sure, there is some room to explore the character, especially after the Brosnan years. But for the sake of Bond and the true fans, let alone the spirit of Fleming, don't mess with Bond's fundaments, as he is the epitome of what a straight man sometimes dreams of to be and has: adventure, spy of spies, beautiful women, the nicest cars and to top off a vodka martini, shaken politically incorrect.
    I honestly do not care if I (would) offend with this statement, I just merely state what the majority is thinking, including women.

  • edited September 2018 Posts: 5,767
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree, and it´s funny, because Brosnan himself seemed to strive always for something better but by that made it rather worse.

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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree. Campbell kept his worst impulses in check and yet got a great performance out of him and everyone else. I think he did the same for Craig as well. He gets a bit of flack here these days and he may not be the most stylistic or flamboyant film maker, but the man knows how to convey the best of Bond on screen. He just gets it as far as I'm concerned. None of the others in the last 25 years have. Campbell to Bond is like McQuarrie to MI.

    The key ingredient which it entails in my opinion is this 'manly' cut the bs gusto. Connery had this in spades, especially seen in GF, a little cheeky and most of the times a little aloof, too. Campbell doesn't screw around either, has hard opinions and is quite dominant in his vision. This is what Bond needs, now more than ever. Enough with the emo introspection, bring back Bond with the quintessential gusto.
    I quite agree. It might be more difficult in this political climate, but that is certainly an essential ingredient of the character, even if it's superficial.

    As an example, in GE: "kill her, she means nothing to me". We know she does but he won't show it.

    In CR: "well then you're an idiot. I said you're a bloody idiot". Obviously arrogant and in the moment ego manifestation at his overconfident loss and misread of Le Chiffre's tell, but an essential ingredient of the character

    Interesting quotes and indeed they underline what the character essentially is about. In the current climate we are debating whether Bond could or should be black, a female, a transgender with one leg. Well perhaps not the last one, but in the current political climate as you state things have gone south and not the sunny variant. Bond has been successful all these years because of the formula Bond (truly) is. Sure, there is some room to explore the character, especially after the Brosnan years. But for the sake of Bond and the true fans, let alone the spirit of Fleming, don't mess with Bond's fundaments, as he is the epitome of what a straight man sometimes dreams of to be and has: adventure, spy of spies, beautiful women, the nicest cars and to top off a vodka martini, shaken politically incorrect.
    I honestly do not care if I (would) offend with this statement, I just merely state what the majority is thinking, including women.
    Just today while taking a hike through town I pondered the character of Bond, and how much he should smoke and drink. My resumé is that the aspect of indulgence in luxury is an important part. Already in the first novel Bond tells Vesper that he likes to enjoy the sweet things in life, kind of as a collateral for not knowing how old he is going to get doing the Job he does.
    It is probably true that smoking in the 60s was seen as much more healthy than it is now, so Bond smoking in the early films is not the same as it would be today. But already in the TB novel, M is lecturing Bond about health and sends him to a health farm, whereupon Bond discovers he feels much better and fitter afterwards. So Brosnan in TND saying, "filthy habit" makes sense.
    But the luxury part is an essential part of the Bond from the novels, and Bond films as a whole were an expression of indulgence in luxury. And here is where at least the last two films greatly neglect the source material and mistreat Bond´s character: Bond shouldn´t suffer from his condition, but have an elaborate and happy system of compensation.

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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree, and it´s funny, because Brosnan himself seemed to strive always for something better but by that made it rather worse.

    Interesting point. And I agree. In Pierce's case, I think the lesse the better. He's like a dancer. Good moves, good posture, good looks, fantastic mannerisms. But the less he talks, the better. Come to think of it, so does Craig. There's a thing they have in common, despite Craig's superb deep voice.
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    Univex wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree, and it´s funny, because Brosnan himself seemed to strive always for something better but by that made it rather worse.

    Interesting point. And I agree. In Pierce's case, I think the lesse the better. He's like a dancer. Good moves, good posture, good looks, fantastic mannerisms. But the less he talks, the better. Come to think of it, so does Craig. There's a thing they have in common, despite Craig's superb deep voice.
    Oooh, I very much disagree about the talking. Brosnan talking is just fine. His problem was that he too often appeared to be acting, instead of acting natural. That´s also why I like GE the most, he´s closest there to his established Remington Steele persona, which suited him excellently, unlike the attempts at being more cynical or seasoned or whatever in his other Bond films.
    As for Craig, every time I watch Layer Cake, in which he talks quite a lot comparatively, I direly miss him talking more in the last two Bond films. Talking suits Craig well.

  • RC7RC7
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    I love Brosnan and Craig for their respective strengths. I just don’t have an idealised view of what cinematic Bond should be. It simply depends on my mood.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2018 Posts: 23,883
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree, and it´s funny, because Brosnan himself seemed to strive always for something better but by that made it rather worse.

    Interesting point. And I agree. In Pierce's case, I think the lesse the better. He's like a dancer. Good moves, good posture, good looks, fantastic mannerisms. But the less he talks, the better. Come to think of it, so does Craig. There's a thing they have in common, despite Craig's superb deep voice.
    Oooh, I very much disagree about the talking. Brosnan talking is just fine. His problem was that he too often appeared to be acting, instead of acting natural. That´s also why I like GE the most, he´s closest there to his established Remington Steele persona, which suited him excellently, unlike the attempts at being more cynical or seasoned or whatever in his other Bond films.
    I agree with you on him seeming like he's acting on occasion. I'm not sure if that's due to any limitations on his part or because he didn't quite get a read on the character. It just sometimes didn't appear natural, but rather 'scripted'. I find he is most restrained in GE, and I prefer that type of less emotive portrayal from him. He can be a bit overdramatic when he tries to emote, and that doesn't suit Bond, who should be subtle imho.

    I think he finally got the part down just perfectly for DAD though. There is a certain weary confidence and restrained arrogance in him in Cuba and he's brimming with Bondian cool in his scenes with Pike, Berry, Dench and Stephens. It's a real shame the film is so cartoonish. I think perhaps The Tailor of Panama allowed him to spread his wings a bit in a 'spy' capacity without the pressure of being Bond, and he then brought some of that experience to the following years DAD.
    boldfinger wrote: »
    As for Craig, every time I watch Layer Cake, in which he talks quite a lot comparatively, I direly miss him talking more in the last two Bond films. Talking suits Craig well.
    I saw him on Broadway after SF and realized what a good actor he can be in the right circumstances. The Bond role hasn't really given him sufficient meaty material to showcase his capabilities outside of CR imho, and I think that's what he thrives on. He's on record saying he finds certain elements of the role difficult, particularly that which cannot be acted.

    As I've mentioned previously, I sincerely hope he doesn't try to play the icon in B25 though. He tried it in SP, and that is where I found his performance severely wanting. If they give him a script where he can actually 'act' rather than 'project', I think he could be very good next year.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree, and it´s funny, because Brosnan himself seemed to strive always for something better but by that made it rather worse.

    The actual films aside, both of which I do like, to me Brosnan was at his best in his middle to films , with his best being in TWINE; the fluffy hair was gone, he had put on just enough weight and he conducted himself with confidence while retaining a certain boyish, mischievous quality.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Brosnan was just what the audience wanted in 1995. I still love GE and think his charm and style helped elevate that film. This is despite the fact that the real heartbeat, performance wise, came from all the other actors. I've always felt the same way about SF actually. The real charisma is in the supporting cast in that film too, imho. Both are top 10 entries for me.

    EDIT: I'd love to see a Bond actor with Brosnan's looks, height and charm going forward. I think he had some limitations acting wise though, and that's where I hope they can find a better balance - someone who can bring a bit of Craig's intensity combined with Brosnan's style and easy cool would be perfect for cinematic Bond #007 imho.

    I think Brosnan was actually at his best in GE. He was the only Bond plebiscited in the role. I don't think any Bond actor will ever be in the future.
    I agree, and it´s funny, because Brosnan himself seemed to strive always for something better but by that made it rather worse.

    The actual films aside, both of which I do like, to me Brosnan was at his best in his middle to films , with his best being in TWINE; the fluffy hair was gone, he had put on just enough weight and he conducted himself with confidence while retaining a certain boyish, mischievous quality.

    I actually thought he looked quite trim in TWINE - which is by no means a negative - there’s a slight Connery GF vibe going on, but I think he looks at his best in TND. The bedroom scene at the Atlantic - he looks the absolute nuts.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I quite like the youthful but long hair on Brosnan. I was sorry to see it go. It was his trademark for many years.
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