Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • edited January 2020 Posts: 4,409
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg
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    I will wait for something official which obviously will be a while yet. I want to just enjoy the build up to NTTD and celebrate what we are about to get? And thankful for the DC era.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,420
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    As has been pointed out, actors often look younger at a given age than actors of a comparable age did in the past. Between 35 and 40 seems like a good age to begin. If a film were to be released every 3 years, which is a very reasonable time table, a 40 year old actor could do 5 films in 12 years 40, 43, 46,49,52. Perfect.

    I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.

    Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.
    I know, it’s a shame how poorly the Mission Impossible films have done ever since Tom Cruise turned 40, or should I say 50. They’ve lost millions for the studios, haven’t they? 😏
    Viagra, really 😆

    Yeah I know Tom Cruise is great and they handle those movies better by not making his age an issue at all. But he’s pretty exceptional and no matter how good he looks he looked better younger. Harrison Ford also aged awesome in his day, but as great as he looked in Last Crusade and as Jack Ryan, he looked better in Star Wars and Raiders. It’s about prime and stage of life, relationships to people and world, not just looking great for your age. Box office is another issue that I wasn’t referring to at all. Viagra, Lipitor, Prilosec, Orthopedic Insoles...😉

    Maybe I'm only talking about myself, but I don't think people really notice age all that much on screen. I don't notice how old DiCaprio or Pitt or McConaughey are (I actually don't know but I guess they're knocking on a bit). And for kids an adult is an adult, unless he's a really old guy.
    The only real reason to pick a Bond probably in his late 30s or so is to make sure he's up to continuing in the role for quite a few years.
    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    Yeah that's a decent call.
  • Posts: 11,425
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    He's not a great actor though.
  • Posts: 6,709
    Getafix wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    He's not a great actor though.

    He's worse than Cavill. Or at least as bad as him.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Univex wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    He's not a great actor though.

    He's worse than Cavill. Or at least as bad as him.

    I'd agree
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    + 2 he’s got crazy eyes and is more suited for a serial killer than a a suave spy.
  • I had a thought this morning.

    One striking, magnetic British man with a housegold name has recently become available, his schedule cleared. With a brooding presence, a cheeky sense of humour, sense of style, oozing masculinity and timeless class, and a British accent through and through...

    ...what does everyone think of Prince Harry of Sussex is the next Bond?

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    He's the right age, went to the same schools as Bond, and is most importantly available. It is probably best for Eon to put feelers out before Marvel snaps him up?

    LOL, sometimes I wonder if he timed his resignation from the Royal Family to put him in the frame for Bond. Am I being silly or is this something we could see? Was it stage managed by Harry?
  • I had a thought this morning.

    One striking, magnetic British man with a housegold name has recently become available, his schedule cleared. With a brooding presence, a cheeky sense of humour, sense of style, oozing masculinity and timeless class, and a British accent through and through...

    ...what does everyone think of Prince Harry of Sussex is the next Bond?

    prince-harry-pharrell-williams-t.jpg

    He's the right age, went to the same schools as Bond, and is most importantly available. It is probably best for Eon to put feelers out before Marvel snaps him up?

    LOL, sometimes I wonder if he timed his resignation from the Royal Family to put him in the frame for Bond. Am I being silly or is this something we could see? Was it stage managed by Harry?

    He should play Prince Hal in Henry IV.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited January 2020 Posts: 2,541
    talos7 wrote: »
    + 2 he’s got crazy eyes and is more suited for a serial killer than a a suave spy.

    +3 Bond is also a killer but I get what you are saying. His eyes looks a bit weird but ladies love him.
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    Still I don't think he looks like Timothy at all.
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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    No way he looks like Dalton. Dalton looked like a wolf-- dangerous yet handsome as hell.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    peter wrote: »
    No way he looks like Dalton. Dalton looked like a wolf-- dangerous yet handsome as hell.

    Hell yeah :)>-
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    peter wrote: »
    No way he looks like Dalton. Dalton looked like a wolf-- dangerous yet handsome as hell.

    I do wish he'd got better material, my issue with his tenure isn't him it is what he was given to work with. Though as you said my friend handsome as hell, wolf perfectly nails it.

    Dalton is the only other actor that could have pulled off Casino Royale, I'm not sure it would have been successful as DC.

    Whereas I think Dalton is the most accomplished stage actor the series has had, I don't think he is as accomplished a screen actor as Craig.

    Craig possesses a confidence that no one apart from Connery in the series exudes. When I say that, I mean in all his cinematic ventures, no disrespect to Roger but he wasn't what you would call versatile where as Craig has really delivered a varied package of rolls over his career.

    I mean have we really seen an actor in the series step out of his comfort zone like Craig has done with Logan Lucky and then Knives Out?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Getafix wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    He's not a great actor though.

    What was the show he did with Gillian Anderson. He played a serial killer and he was excellent.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,420
    peter wrote: »
    Craig possesses a confidence that no one apart from Connery in the series exudes.

    Thank you yes; that's what I've always said. Or rather: it's what Dalton lacks- he fails to look like he barely even notices anyone else like Connery and Craig do; and to be fair Roger gets that too- he's utterly self-assured when he walks in a room. None of them give a toss about you other than what Bond himself can get from you, because he knows he's the most important person there. Dalton exudes nervousness. I think he's trying to make Bond seem like a real secret agent looking over his shoulder all the time, but he just ends up feeling not like Bond. Craig gets what Dalton didn't: you can be real-feeling and super-confident too, which makes it a great screen performance.
    I've always thought Dalton was much better and more charismatic in other roles like Rocketeer or even Hot Fuzz than he was as Bond. He just chose to play it in a way that meant he lacked presence.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    Dalton played bond from the book.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Dalton played bond from the book.

    I think that's debatable. He said he was doing that but whether he succeeded is a matter of opinion. To be honest the one I actually find closest to the books is probably Lazenby, as he's a bit of a blank slate! :)
    Even Lazenby got the confidence thing: he was so ballsy he got cast as James Bond in a movie without being an actor! :)
  • Posts: 6,709
    Dalton was and is brilliant. I'd have him as Bond in 2024 ;)
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    mtm wrote: »
    Dalton played bond from the book.

    I think that's debatable. He said he was doing that but whether he succeeded is a matter of opinion. To be honest the one I actually find closest to the books is probably Lazenby, as he's a bit of a blank slate! :)
    Even Lazenby got the confidence thing: he was so ballsy he got cast as James Bond in a movie without being an actor! :)

    Not the overall film(TLD) was faithful adaption but dalton played the character pretty close to the book bond.

    Lazenby sometimes say a lot he doesn't mean. Dalton on the other hand is hands down my favorite and he played far more closer than Lazenby imo.
  • Posts: 15,125
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    mtm wrote: »
    Dalton played bond from the book.

    I think that's debatable. He said he was doing that but whether he succeeded is a matter of opinion. To be honest the one I actually find closest to the books is probably Lazenby, as he's a bit of a blank slate! :)
    Even Lazenby got the confidence thing: he was so ballsy he got cast as James Bond in a movie without being an actor! :)

    Not the overall film(TLD) was faithful adaption but dalton played the character pretty close to the book bond.

    Lazenby sometimes say a lot he doesn't mean. Dalton on the other hand is hands down my favorite and he played far more closer than Lazenby imo.

    Agreed.

    The only way to move on from Moore’s Bond, Dalton believed, was to go back to the source material: the Bond novels by Ian Fleming.

    On being offered the role in ’86, Dalton studied Fleming’s work extensively, explaining at the time, “I’d read a couple of the books years ago, and I thought I’d find them trivial now, but I thoroughly enjoyed every one.”

    “On those pages I discovered a Bond I’d never seen on the screen, a quite extraordinary man, a man I really wanted to play, a man of contradictions and opposites.”

    Dalton made a point of drawing his take on the character directly from Fleming, so much so that many devotees of Fleming’s writing today CORRECTLY believe Dalton’s performance is the closest to the character as originally written.

    Dalton didn’t just bring a Fleming-esque quality to his Bond personality-wise – in his two Bond outings, the actor also looks the most like the 007 that the author described in the books.

    According to Fleming, James Bond is 6 foot and has a slim build, grey-blue eyes, a “cruel mouth” and short black hair that leads to a point at the hairline.

    At 6′ 2″ with black hair, grey-blue eyes and slim build, Dalton is surely the closest physical match to Bond as described by Fleming.

    Dalton also arguably has that “cruel mouth” that Fleming imagined, while Dalton’s resemblance to Carmichael is undeniable.

    After the series blew up into self-parody in the Brosnan era, Daniel Craig rejuvenated Bond in 2006 by portraying the character like never before – at least if critics are to be believed.

    With Casino Royale, his 00-debut, Daniel Craig was credited with bringing a realness to Bond that some argued no actor had previously brought to the role. This is wrong......

    Someone had, of course: after Connery, Lazenby and Moore had played the character with an arched eyebrow for 25 years, it was Timothy Dalton who pioneered a more subtle FLEMINGESQUE approach to 007. Being arguably the most experienced actor to have ever played Bond helps.

    Known through the 60s and 70s for his work on the stage, typically in Shakespeare plays, Dalton brought a gravitas and understatement to 007 that James Bond had never known. Unlike the others, Dalton played Bond small AND HE PLAYED HIM TO THE BOOK..... FLEMING'S BOOK THAT IS.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    He's shockingly wooden actor IMO.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,420
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    mtm wrote: »
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D
    mtm wrote: »
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D

    He was dark, he was ruthless, and he managed to show precisely what Bond was all about: a merciless, calculating, professional assassin. His relationships with women and M were the same as Fleming's books.

    Ironically, the very characteristics that got Dalton slammed are the very same things that the Bond producers are praising Daniel Craig for.

    On and on, they have said they want Bond to be closer to the original Ian Fleming character. They want him to be grittier, darker and less jokey. What they really want, it seems, is to have Dalton back.

    Whereas Moore’s Bond would constantly toss one-liners and cheap jokes and raise an eyebrow, Dalton took it more seriously, not afraid to show fear and anger (LIKE THE BOOKS). But that’s where some moviegoers didn’t take to him.

    I read Fleming’s novels after I saw the movies. It can be the case that you embrace the first James Bond you ever see as your lifetime favourite. The first Bond I saw was Roger Moore in FYEO, some time in the late 1980s. I loved it, I love Roger, and it remains one of my favourites. Then I saw Connery. I loved him too. I thought they were both great in different ways – but not quite what I’d had in mind from the character in the books. Connery remains my favourite onscreen.

    When I saw Dalton in The Living Daylights & Licence to Kill I thought: “That’s him! That’s James Bond!” Dalton steeped himself in Fleming’s stories for his research for the part. It shows. I noticed it as a kid with no preconceptions. Dalton moves with great poise, and lets his narrow eyes do a lot of work. He’s like a hunter, the consummate silent killer. Connery and Craig both move with an intoxicating swagger that looks fantastic on screen. But is it entirely right for the part?

    It’s one of the choices that make his Bond so enduringly fascinating. There’s a sequence early on in The Living Daylights when Bond is ordered to kill a sniper who may be targeting Koskov, a Russian former KGB agent who is defecting to the West. He notices that the sniper is a woman. No matter. He lines up the shot. Then he notices something else and deliberately misses, hitting the rifle out of her hands instead of the target.
    “Your orders were to kill that girl,” Saunders reprimands him.
    “Stuff my orders,” Bond replies. “That girl didn’t know one end of the rifle from the other. I only kill professionals.”

    None of the previous incarnations of Bond could possibly have delivered that line. Earlier Bonds were all establishment figures who obeyed their orders, allowing the British Government to act as arbiters of their morality. There’s nothing so unambiguous in the world of Dalton’s Bond. Note that it’s not because the sniper is female, nor because she’s beautiful – he would still have killed her without a second’s thought if she had been a real KGB assassin. It’s because she’s not part of the game. THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Bond is in a right state at the end of Licence to Kill. His nose is bloody, his hair’s a mess, his jacket’s ripped and he’s covered in dust. After he kills off the main baddie, Sanchez (Robert Davi), Bond dry heaves in disgust at it all. It’s an amazing reaction. Dalton’s is a human Bond. THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Dangling over the edge of whirring blades in Licence to Kill, Pam rushes over and asks if he’s all right. “Switch the bloody machine off!” he yells. It took until 1989 for Bond to lose his cool…THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Like Fleming's books, Dalton's Bond is human, edgy, and morally complex. Dalton may only have made two films, but he captured Bond perfectly. He will always be the connoisseur’s James Bond.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Love Dalton and his respect for the source material. However, he is still doing an interpretation of Fleming's Bond. An example, he plays Bond way more intense, particularly in situations that don't even call for intensity, than Fleming's Bond. So, the personality balance is still better by Connery in his early movies.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D
    mtm wrote: »
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D

    He was dark, he was ruthless, and he managed to show precisely what Bond was all about: a merciless, calculating, professional assassin. His relationships with women and M were the same as Fleming's books.

    Ironically, the very characteristics that got Dalton slammed are the very same things that the Bond producers are praising Daniel Craig for.

    On and on, they have said they want Bond to be closer to the original Ian Fleming character. They want him to be grittier, darker and less jokey. What they really want, it seems, is to have Dalton back.

    Whereas Moore’s Bond would constantly toss one-liners and cheap jokes and raise an eyebrow, Dalton took it more seriously, not afraid to show fear and anger (LIKE THE BOOKS). But that’s where some moviegoers didn’t take to him.

    I read Fleming’s novels after I saw the movies. It can be the case that you embrace the first James Bond you ever see as your lifetime favourite. The first Bond I saw was Roger Moore in FYEO, some time in the late 1980s. I loved it, I love Roger, and it remains one of my favourites. Then I saw Connery. I loved him too. I thought they were both great in different ways – but not quite what I’d had in mind from the character in the books. Connery remains my favourite onscreen.

    When I saw Dalton in The Living Daylights & Licence to Kill I thought: “That’s him! That’s James Bond!” Dalton steeped himself in Fleming’s stories for his research for the part. It shows. I noticed it as a kid with no preconceptions. Dalton moves with great poise, and lets his narrow eyes do a lot of work. He’s like a hunter, the consummate silent killer. Connery and Craig both move with an intoxicating swagger that looks fantastic on screen. But is it entirely right for the part?

    It’s one of the choices that make his Bond so enduringly fascinating. There’s a sequence early on in The Living Daylights when Bond is ordered to kill a sniper who may be targeting Koskov, a Russian former KGB agent who is defecting to the West. He notices that the sniper is a woman. No matter. He lines up the shot. Then he notices something else and deliberately misses, hitting the rifle out of her hands instead of the target.
    “Your orders were to kill that girl,” Saunders reprimands him.
    “Stuff my orders,” Bond replies. “That girl didn’t know one end of the rifle from the other. I only kill professionals.”

    None of the previous incarnations of Bond could possibly have delivered that line. Earlier Bonds were all establishment figures who obeyed their orders, allowing the British Government to act as arbiters of their morality. There’s nothing so unambiguous in the world of Dalton’s Bond. Note that it’s not because the sniper is female, nor because she’s beautiful – he would still have killed her without a second’s thought if she had been a real KGB assassin. It’s because she’s not part of the game. THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Bond is in a right state at the end of Licence to Kill. His nose is bloody, his hair’s a mess, his jacket’s ripped and he’s covered in dust. After he kills off the main baddie, Sanchez (Robert Davi), Bond dry heaves in disgust at it all. It’s an amazing reaction. Dalton’s is a human Bond. THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Dangling over the edge of whirring blades in Licence to Kill, Pam rushes over and asks if he’s all right. “Switch the bloody machine off!” he yells. It took until 1989 for Bond to lose his cool…THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Like Fleming's books, Dalton's Bond is human, edgy, and morally complex. Dalton may only have made two films, but he captured Bond perfectly. He will always be the connoisseur’s James Bond.

    You said it better than i could have, proven once again why Dalton is still my favorite bond. I will do a detail review on him when I get the time. Another Scene I would like to add where he saw Felix in bag, he was completely shaken by seeing his buddy like that. A lot of people may find him weak while he was shivering but i would say he was more human.

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  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited January 2020 Posts: 1,318
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D
    mtm wrote: »
    He read them, sure; but what specifically are you thinking he drew from the books that no-one else did? There's this repeated mantra that 'he was the book Bond' but I never really read much analysis to back that up.
    And I'd very much disagree he brought gravitas: personally I think he kind of disappeared in the role. He's not a presence in those films like even Brosnan was. In them he's just not really a movie star like it needs. He looks great though, yes.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't buy it......look, the model used by the British press is transparent. If you're on a Sunday night show on BBC1 than you are suddenly the 'hot favourite' for Bond. This was how the following names gained traction:
    • Tom Hiddleston (Night Manager)
    • Richard Madden (Bodyguard)
    • James Norton (Trials of Christine Keeler - which is on tv now, explaining the current rumour)
    • Cillian Murphy (Peaky Blinders)
    • Idris Elba (Luther)
    • Aidan Turner (Poldark)
    • .....and the list goes on.

    If we can't have Robert Pattinson because of Batman, then I think someone to keep an eye on is Jamie Dornan. In fact, he's my preferred choice. He's sexy and has a certain Tim Dalton-esque danger to him.

    anglo_2000x1125_jamiedornan_2016-1600x720.jpg

    Although I strongly disagree with you about Jamie Dornan, I think you're right about what trigger tabloids to say who'se being considered as the next Bond. I might audition to one of those BBC Sunday dramas. If I'm cast, I won't get any nearer to Bond, but the tabloids will have a day. I can already read the headlines : "Bold move as 42 year old French Canadian about to sign as Bond."

    Heh! It's a good point. As you guys say, funny how Norton is suddenly a candidate again now he's on telly in a 60's drama wearing a dinner jacket...
    :D

    He was dark, he was ruthless, and he managed to show precisely what Bond was all about: a merciless, calculating, professional assassin. His relationships with women and M were the same as Fleming's books.

    Ironically, the very characteristics that got Dalton slammed are the very same things that the Bond producers are praising Daniel Craig for.

    On and on, they have said they want Bond to be closer to the original Ian Fleming character. They want him to be grittier, darker and less jokey. What they really want, it seems, is to have Dalton back.

    Whereas Moore’s Bond would constantly toss one-liners and cheap jokes and raise an eyebrow, Dalton took it more seriously, not afraid to show fear and anger (LIKE THE BOOKS). But that’s where some moviegoers didn’t take to him.

    I read Fleming’s novels after I saw the movies. It can be the case that you embrace the first James Bond you ever see as your lifetime favourite. The first Bond I saw was Roger Moore in FYEO, some time in the late 1980s. I loved it, I love Roger, and it remains one of my favourites. Then I saw Connery. I loved him too. I thought they were both great in different ways – but not quite what I’d had in mind from the character in the books. Connery remains my favourite onscreen.

    When I saw Dalton in The Living Daylights & Licence to Kill I thought: “That’s him! That’s James Bond!” Dalton steeped himself in Fleming’s stories for his research for the part. It shows. I noticed it as a kid with no preconceptions. Dalton moves with great poise, and lets his narrow eyes do a lot of work. He’s like a hunter, the consummate silent killer. Connery and Craig both move with an intoxicating swagger that looks fantastic on screen. But is it entirely right for the part?

    It’s one of the choices that make his Bond so enduringly fascinating. There’s a sequence early on in The Living Daylights when Bond is ordered to kill a sniper who may be targeting Koskov, a Russian former KGB agent who is defecting to the West. He notices that the sniper is a woman. No matter. He lines up the shot. Then he notices something else and deliberately misses, hitting the rifle out of her hands instead of the target.
    “Your orders were to kill that girl,” Saunders reprimands him.
    “Stuff my orders,” Bond replies. “That girl didn’t know one end of the rifle from the other. I only kill professionals.”

    None of the previous incarnations of Bond could possibly have delivered that line. Earlier Bonds were all establishment figures who obeyed their orders, allowing the British Government to act as arbiters of their morality. There’s nothing so unambiguous in the world of Dalton’s Bond. Note that it’s not because the sniper is female, nor because she’s beautiful – he would still have killed her without a second’s thought if she had been a real KGB assassin. It’s because she’s not part of the game. THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Bond is in a right state at the end of Licence to Kill. His nose is bloody, his hair’s a mess, his jacket’s ripped and he’s covered in dust. After he kills off the main baddie, Sanchez (Robert Davi), Bond dry heaves in disgust at it all. It’s an amazing reaction. Dalton’s is a human Bond. THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Dangling over the edge of whirring blades in Licence to Kill, Pam rushes over and asks if he’s all right. “Switch the bloody machine off!” he yells. It took until 1989 for Bond to lose his cool…THIS IS FROM FLEMING.

    Like Fleming's books, Dalton's Bond is human, edgy, and morally complex. Dalton may only have made two films, but he captured Bond perfectly. He will always be the connoisseur’s James Bond.

    Excellent post, right on the mark about Dalton and Fleming. As a kid (still do) I always liked Dalton and Connery the most. The cool and collected Dalton vs the charismatic and laidback Connery. Both the best in their own right.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Thanks @Resurrection & @JeremyBondon. We need another Dalton.

    Aidan Turner anyone........?

  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Thanks @Resurrection & @JeremyBondon. We need another Dalton.

    Aidan Turner anyone........?

    Aidan Turner is great but I doubt he will get it. It will be someone similar to him and dalton I feel for sure.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited January 2020 Posts: 1,318
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Thanks @Resurrection & @JeremyBondon. We need another Dalton.

    Aidan Turner anyone........?

    Yeah, I have been rooting for him on mi6 (quite sure some of you noticed ;) ) since And Then There Were None. The guy was born to play the role, like f.e. Connery and Dalton. For this reason, there are many many factors that make a Bond, he is an obvious choice. In my opinion he is the sole heir, high up there, alone, to take over from Craig.

    We're definitely on the same page (by Fleming), @suavejmf

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