Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Working in the hospitality industry has definitely helped me distinguish between accents. NZ and AU is easy now, as well as different dialects of Irish (which wasn't much of a concept to me at all before). We had two coworkers, one from Mayo and one from Cork, and it was night and day.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yeah, Canadian accents are subtly different from ours, sort of like Australian vs. New Zealand accents. Subtler, even.

    They sound the same too. The actor needs to convey an English accent.....which isn’t feasible.
    Oh no they don't! And this coming from a Dutchman. Anyway, Michiel huisman could be a villain, but no bond. No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered. Aussies, kiwis, maybe, if they've been living in Britain for long enough to learn the speak. Canadians is very far fetched, Americans out of the question.

    No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered as they can't 'do' a convincing English accent. That was my point.

    However - Australian vs. New Zealand accents IMO as an Englishman, sound the same.

    I'd argue that that's way more nuanced. More British actors can do an American accent than American actors nail British ones, but there are some American actors who have nailed a British accent to a T.

    One of my favourite people on YouTube, dialect coach Erik Singer explains why American actors generally have a hard time perfecting a British accent here:



    I'd suggest some of his other videos in which he talks about accents and performances at length. The stereotype of US actors always sounding like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins is just not true.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yeah, Canadian accents are subtly different from ours, sort of like Australian vs. New Zealand accents. Subtler, even.

    They sound the same too. The actor needs to convey an English accent.....which isn’t feasible.
    Oh no they don't! And this coming from a Dutchman. Anyway, Michiel huisman could be a villain, but no bond. No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered. Aussies, kiwis, maybe, if they've been living in Britain for long enough to learn the speak. Canadians is very far fetched, Americans out of the question.

    No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered as they can't 'do' a convincing English accent. That was my point.

    However - Australian vs. New Zealand accents IMO as an Englishman, sound the same.

    Well I'm not an actor but up until now no Brit has ever thought of me to be Dutch hearing me speak. Quite the opposite, one once asked my how it came to be that my Dutch was so good.
    Another once pinpointed exactly from which English town (close to the Scottish border) I came from. Sadly I forgot the name, I'd love to visit it one day.

    I don't think that's really the problem. My main issue is that there's far more to a character than just his accent, and mannerisms are often culture bound as well. So even if Michiel would do a perfect accent, his performance would most likely still be 'off' in a way that nobody can pinpoint exactly.

    As I'm married to my own Mrs. Sommerset, (also from the Sovjet Union, not Russia in this case), I've been made all too aware of my 'Dutchness'.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yeah, Canadian accents are subtly different from ours, sort of like Australian vs. New Zealand accents. Subtler, even.

    They sound the same too. The actor needs to convey an English accent.....which isn’t feasible.
    Oh no they don't! And this coming from a Dutchman. Anyway, Michiel huisman could be a villain, but no bond. No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered. Aussies, kiwis, maybe, if they've been living in Britain for long enough to learn the speak. Canadians is very far fetched, Americans out of the question.

    No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered as they can't 'do' a convincing English accent. That was my point.

    I don't think that's necessarily true. [/quote)

    Name one none Brit actor who can do a convincing English accent?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yeah, Canadian accents are subtly different from ours, sort of like Australian vs. New Zealand accents. Subtler, even.

    They sound the same too. The actor needs to convey an English accent.....which isn’t feasible.
    Oh no they don't! And this coming from a Dutchman. Anyway, Michiel huisman could be a villain, but no bond. No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered. Aussies, kiwis, maybe, if they've been living in Britain for long enough to learn the speak. Canadians is very far fetched, Americans out of the question.

    No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered as they can't 'do' a convincing English accent. That was my point.

    However - Australian vs. New Zealand accents IMO as an Englishman, sound the same.

    I'd argue that that's way more nuanced. More British actors can do an American accent than American actors nail British ones, but there are some American actors who have nailed a British accent to a T.

    One of my favourite people on YouTube, dialect coach Erik Singer explains why American actors generally have a hard time perfecting a British accent here:



    I'd suggest some of his other videos in which he talks about accents and performances at length. The stereotype of US actors always sounding like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins is just not true.

    Name one US actor who can do an English accent convincingly?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2020 Posts: 16,320
    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yeah, Canadian accents are subtly different from ours, sort of like Australian vs. New Zealand accents. Subtler, even.

    They sound the same too. The actor needs to convey an English accent.....which isn’t feasible.
    Oh no they don't! And this coming from a Dutchman. Anyway, Michiel huisman could be a villain, but no bond. No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered. Aussies, kiwis, maybe, if they've been living in Britain for long enough to learn the speak. Canadians is very far fetched, Americans out of the question.

    No Dutchman or any other-language actor should be considered as they can't 'do' a convincing English accent. That was my point.

    However - Australian vs. New Zealand accents IMO as an Englishman, sound the same.

    I'd argue that that's way more nuanced. More British actors can do an American accent than American actors nail British ones, but there are some American actors who have nailed a British accent to a T.

    One of my favourite people on YouTube, dialect coach Erik Singer explains why American actors generally have a hard time perfecting a British accent here:



    I'd suggest some of his other videos in which he talks about accents and performances at length. The stereotype of US actors always sounding like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins is just not true.

    Although...


    :D

    (Although that guy's Welsh accent really sucks! His English is much better but is an odd hybrid of two different accents)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    suavejmf wrote: »

    Name one US actor who can do an English accent convincingly?

    I mean, I get the feeling you'll simply say "no it isn't!", so there isn't much point. But, just for the fun of it, I've always been impressed with Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones. I'm from London (so better placed to judge than you are if you're from Harrogate) and it's flawless to my ears.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »

    Name one US actor who can do an English accent convincingly?

    I mean, I get the feeling you'll simply say "no it isn't!", so there isn't much point. But, just for the fun of it, I've always been impressed with Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones. I'm from London (so better placed to judge than you are if you're from Harrogate) and it's flawless to my ears.

    It’s ok. A tad pantomime. I have family from all around the Country including Surrey and London. I was looking for a male example given we’re talking about potential Bond actors? There are some shocking examples of US actors failing to do English accents...including Jonnny Depp and Keano Reeves.....
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    There are some American actors who can do pretty good English accents. Two characters from my favorite TV show Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Spike and Drusilla, played by James Marsters and Juliet Landeau, are quite good at it.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    There are some American actors who can do pretty good English accents. Two characters from my favorite TV show Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Spike and Drusilla, played by James Marsters and Juliet Landeau, are quite good at it.

    I haven’t seen or heard of either actor/ actress so I can’t comment. But I assume you are British @Thunderball ? The reason I ask is American’s and other Countrymen (in my experience) are not able to decipher differing English accents and unless one is British, it’s not easy to spot a fake. But an Englishman can spot the fake a mile away.

    Most American Actors undertake a fake pantomime version of what they obviously think is a realistic English accent. But to an Englishman it sounds (for want of a better word) crap.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    I agree with @suavejmf too much effort putting on accent will show desperation. It's better to have a British actor who looks effortless with his accent.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I agree with @suavejmf too much effort putting on accent will show desperation. It's better to have a British actor who looks effortless with his accent.

    Exactly. And we Brits have some of the best actors and acting studios in the world. That’s why Hollywood is flooded with Brits. No need to manufacture a fake accent Bond, when have plenty of great Brits to choose from.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2020 Posts: 16,320
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »

    Name one US actor who can do an English accent convincingly?

    I mean, I get the feeling you'll simply say "no it isn't!", so there isn't much point. But, just for the fun of it, I've always been impressed with Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones. I'm from London (so better placed to judge than you are if you're from Harrogate) and it's flawless to my ears.

    It’s ok. A tad pantomime.

    No, it's great. And as I say, I'm better placed to spot a bad one than a Yorkshireman ;)

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Chris Pratt now does a hilareous Essex accent after he was stuck in a British hotel room obsessively watching The Only Way Is Essex.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited March 2020 Posts: 5,131
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »

    Name one US actor who can do an English accent convincingly?

    I mean, I get the feeling you'll simply say "no it isn't!", so there isn't much point. But, just for the fun of it, I've always been impressed with Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones. I'm from London (so better placed to judge than you are if you're from Harrogate) and it's flawless to my ears.

    It’s ok. A tad pantomime.

    No, it's great. And as I say, I'm better placed to spot a bad one than a Yorkshireman ;)

    It's not. I wasn't aware 'Cockney's' spoke the Queen's English! ;) Unless your from Chelsea. Besides, I'm from Harrogate....we don't really have Yorkshire accents here.

    https://www.insider.com/worst-onscreen-british-accents-2018-8#heather-graham-tried-multiple-accents-in-from-hell-9..................................

    "In the original "Bridget Jones’s Diary," Renee Zellweger’s London accent was almost universally praised. So how did it go backward and start to sound like a caricature by the third movie?

    Slate’s Rebecca Schuman described the transition like this:

    "When the original 'Bridget Jones' adaptation premiered in 2001, it caused granny-underwear-size shockwaves not just for its star’s monstrous weight gain (to the unheard-of size of many healthy human females), but also for the alleged authenticity of her dialect, which native Britons described as 'bang on' and 'impeccable.'

    "In the intervening decade and a half, however, it appears that Zellweger has either switched dialect coaches or sacked hers altogether, and I fear 'Bridget Jones’s Baby' will land the actress somewhere between a Costner and a Reeves in the annals of accent history."
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    NicNac wrote: »
    Chris Pratt now does a hilareous Essex accent after he was stuck in a British hotel room obsessively watching The Only Way Is Essex.

    Yeah it's a great 'impression' and very funny. Not realistic though is it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    There are countless examples of unconvincing accents in the Bond films, so I suppose this rule only applies to Bond himself, then?
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    There are some American actors who can do pretty good English accents. Two characters from my favorite TV show Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Spike and Drusilla, played by James Marsters and Juliet Landeau, are quite good at it.

    I haven’t seen or heard of either actor/ actress so I can’t comment. But I assume you are British @Thunderball ? The reason I ask is American’s and other Countrymen (in my experience) are not able to decipher differing English accents and unless one is British, it’s not easy to spot a fake. But an Englishman can spot the fake a mile away.

    Most American Actors undertake a fake pantomime version of what they obviously think is a realistic English accent. But to an Englishman it sounds (for want of a better word) crap.

    No, I'm American but I've heard awful English accents from American actors and good ones, but the good are in the minority.
    It's possible that my two examples would still sound way off to the ears of Brits'. I don't know. All I do know is that Hollywood needs to stop casting Americans (and Canadians) in British roles, and cast, oh I don't know, actual Brits?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2020 Posts: 16,320
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »

    Name one US actor who can do an English accent convincingly?

    I mean, I get the feeling you'll simply say "no it isn't!", so there isn't much point. But, just for the fun of it, I've always been impressed with Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones. I'm from London (so better placed to judge than you are if you're from Harrogate) and it's flawless to my ears.

    It’s ok. A tad pantomime.

    No, it's great. And as I say, I'm better placed to spot a bad one than a Yorkshireman ;)

    It's not. I wasn't aware 'Cockney's' spoke the Queen's English! ;) Unless your from Chelsea. Besides, I'm from Harrogate....we don't really have Yorkshire accents here.

    It really is good: you're just not someone who knows them very well. And you admitted yourself that you can't even tell an Aussie from a Kiwi :D As an Englishman from London/Surrey I can tell you it's practically flawless. You're just wrong on this one, move on.
    suavejmf wrote: »
    https://www.insider.com/worst-onscreen-british-accents-2018-8#heather-graham-tried-multiple-accents-in-from-hell-9..................................

    "In the original "Bridget Jones’s Diary," Renee Zellweger’s London accent was almost universally praised. So how did it go backward and start to sound like a caricature by the third movie?

    Slate’s Rebecca Schuman described the transition like this:

    "When the original 'Bridget Jones' adaptation premiered in 2001, it caused granny-underwear-size shockwaves not just for its star’s monstrous weight gain (to the unheard-of size of many healthy human females), but also for the alleged authenticity of her dialect, which native Britons described as 'bang on' and 'impeccable.'

    "In the intervening decade and a half, however, it appears that Zellweger has either switched dialect coaches or sacked hers altogether, and I fear 'Bridget Jones’s Baby' will land the actress somewhere between a Costner and a Reeves in the annals of accent history."

    Uh-huh, so you've gone from saying it's "ok" to a full-on assassination of it? :D Interesting escalation...
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    There are countless examples of unconvincing accents in the Bond films, so I suppose this rule only applies to Bond himself, then?

    Yes. Definitely. Although there is no excuse for poor acting. Bond with a poor accent/ fake accent is unforgivable.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »

    Name one US actor who can do an En
    glish accent convincingly?

    I mean, I get the feeling you'll simply say "no it isn't!", so there isn't much point. But, just for the fun of it, I've always been impressed with Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones. I'm from London (so better placed to judge than you are if you're from Harrogate) and it's flawless to my ears.

    It’s ok. A tad pantomime.

    No, it's great. And as I say, I'm better placed to spot a bad one than a Yorkshireman ;)

    It's not. I wasn't aware 'Cockney's' spoke the Queen's English! ;) Unless your from Chelsea. Besides, I'm from Harrogate....we don't really have Yorkshire accents here.

    It really is good: you're just not someone who knows them very well. And you admitted yourself that you can't even tell an Aussie from a Kiwi :D As an Englishman from London/Surrey I can tell you it's practically flawless. You're just wrong on this one, move on.
    suavejmf wrote: »
    https://www.insider.com/worst-onscreen-british-accents-2018-8#heather-graham-tried-multiple-accents-in-from-hell-9..................................

    "In the original "Bridget Jones’s Diary," Renee Zellweger’s London accent was almost universally praised. So how did it go backward and start to sound like a caricature by the third movie?

    Slate’s Rebecca Schuman described the transition like this:

    "When the original 'Bridget Jones' adaptation premiered in 2001, it caused granny-underwear-size shockwaves not just for its star’s monstrous weight gain (to the unheard-of size of many healthy human females), but also for the alleged authenticity of her dialect, which native Britons described as 'bang on' and 'impeccable.'

    "In the intervening decade and a half, however, it appears that Zellweger has either switched dialect coaches or sacked hers altogether, and I fear 'Bridget Jones’s Baby' will land the actress somewhere between a Costner and a Reeves in the annals of accent history."

    Uh-huh, so you've gone from saying it's "ok" to a full-on assassination of it? :D Interesting escalation...

    Im not sure how being from Surrey qualifies one to spot a fake British accent?....It’s not even in London....but hey ho, I’ll agree to disagree.

    That’s not my view of the Zellwigger accent at all? It’s a Critics/ journalists view. I was just putting forward another persons view point from a published article. My view remains the same. It’s ok. A tad pantomime.

    I’ve only seen part of first film through force so I can’t really comment on the other films....not my kind of movie. IMO one for a female audience.

    Anyway, back to the subject in hand. Bond should only be played by a Brit actor IMO.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    NicNac wrote: »
    12 Votes - Aidan Turner - , @JeremyBondon, @Univex , @Thunderball , @Resurrection @talos7 , @BonSimonLeBon_1 , @GeneralGogol , @ToTheRight , @parkert5 , @outlawgenius , @Jordo007 , @Mendes4Lyfe

    4 votes Dan Stevens - @MakeshiftPython , @cwl007 , @Shardlake , @DrClatterhand (s)

    3 votes Henry Cavill - @00Agent , @DeerAtTheGates , @Murdock ,
    3 votes Richard Madden - @Octopussy , @NicNac , @peter
    3 votes Luke Evans - @Torgeirtrap , @NickTwentyTwo , @M_Blaise

    2 votes Michael Fassbender - @Risico007 , @suavejmf
    2 votes James Norton - @vittoriacolona (s) , @Getafix

    1 vote Scott Adkins - @MajorDSmythe
    1 vote Tom Ellis - @CommanderRoss
    1 vote Callum Turner - @Denbigh
    1 vote Jon Boyega - @Benjamin_Weekly69
    1 vote Jamie Dornan - @Pierce2Daniel

    @vittoriacolona and @DrClatterhand have used their option to swap, both duly noted.

    Interesting. Looks like Turner is the top choice, and his support is growing as time goes on. I wonder if by the time they come to cast he might be the presumptive candidate with the public, such as like Brosnan and Moore were. I think most fans are looking forward to a more traditional style of Bond, and Turner is certainly charming and isn't as rough around the edges as Craig.
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    Saw some recent photos of Richard Madden on the Eternals set.....personally, I think that his star is rising considerably and he is probably the man to beat at the moment.

    I'd be very excited about his casting. I thought he was terrific in Rocketman and had a sterling turn in his minor role in 1917.

    I just get the impression that at 33, Madden is destined to inherit the Bond role.....I don't think his sexuality will come into it, as we aren't in 1969 anymore. Plus, Madden is likely bisexual based on press reporting. Which is no big deal.

    He's a great actor and can do the more emotional stuff we have come to expect from the Craig era. But he has that classical leading man look - akin to Brosnan and his 007 rival Henry Cavill.

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    I wouldn't mind Madden. I just think that Turner is a better candidate. And if viable, I'd rather have Luke Evans, but I know his age rules him out. Turner's still the guy to beat, IMO.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I choose Turner because he’s better than the field you see here (except Fassbender who would’ve been an ideal choice but is too old now). I could see his Bond being somewhere between Dalton and Brosnan, with a seriousness but ample charm.
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    At 40, this would be the perfect candidate.

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    But since we will only get a new Bond in...probably...six years, or seven, he won't be the right age by then.

    Craig would have a serious contender in the gym department, I think.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    There’s no chance Eon will cast an openly gay actor. Evans could do the acting job as Bond, but Eon won’t do it...a commercial risk they won’t take.

    I voted for Fassbender, but I’d be happy with Turner.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    All the listed candidates should be placed into a ring, last man standing gets the job. ;)
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    All the listed candidates should be placed into a ring, last man standing gets the job. ;)

    That'd be swell :)
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Univex wrote: »
    All the listed candidates should be placed into a ring, last man standing gets the job. ;)

    That'd be swell :)

    I’d bet Cavill would win in a fight then.
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