Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • He never was my first choice, nor my second, but I always saw it as sort of modern day Brosnan insofar as he had not gone far from winning the role in the past and that he had more or less the support of general audience. That's what made me think he could interest Eon. However, as long as he's Superman, he can't of course be Bond.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel @SaintMark @CraigMooreOHMSS @Univex @DaltonCraig007

    I don't really understand this with Hardy.

    Like I understand he likes these roles and likes to cover up sometimes, but I think he has respect for the character's he plays; in Mad Max: Fury Road and Legend for example.

    He works appropriately, and I imagine if he was to be James Bond, he'd understand what's required and know how he'd need to approach the role. Also as for the comments regarding his "thuggish"-ness, again they're actors, I don't think this is enough of a criticism to not worth being considered...

    ...but either way his age is an issue and he is in Venom so I don't think he'll ever be Bond.

    The thing with Hardy for me is that his choices on paper in the last decade seem exciting and diverse but his performances always feel similar. He does the same thing with his voice, the same head nod, the same nervous eye movements. When it works, it works really well - it fit the characters in Locke and The Drop perfectly for example - but it was extremely annoying in Venom and Capone. He was a serviceable Mad Max, to be fair, certainly physically capable but lacking that cold intensity that Gibson had. I'm sure Hardy possibly could have been a good Bond at one point - he had a very good run from '05 to '11 where he seemed to be challenging himself - but the acting style that he has seemingly settled into now is totally unsuitable for the part, I think.

    So in that sense, my gut instinct would be to disagree with the idea that he would bring what was appropriate. It'd likely be the other way round, and I don't really want Bond to be like that.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel @SaintMark @CraigMooreOHMSS @Univex @DaltonCraig007

    I don't really understand this with Hardy.

    Like I understand he likes these roles and likes to cover up sometimes, but I think he has respect for the character's he plays; in Mad Max: Fury Road and Legend for example.

    He works appropriately, and I imagine if he was to be James Bond, he'd understand what's required and know how he'd need to approach the role. Also as for the comments regarding his "thuggish"-ness, again they're actors, I don't think this is enough of a criticism to not worth being considered...

    ...but either way his age is an issue and he is in Venom so I don't think he'll ever be Bond.

    The thing with Hardy for me is that his choices on paper in the last decade seem exciting and diverse but his performances always feel similar. He does the same thing with his voice, the same head nod, the same nervous eye movements. When it works, it works really well - it fit the characters in Locke and The Drop perfectly for example - but it was extremely annoying in Venom and Capone. He was a serviceable Mad Max, to be fair, certainly physically capable but lacking that cold intensity that Gibson had. I'm sure Hardy possibly could have been a good Bond at one point - he had a very good run from '05 to '11 where he seemed to be challenging himself - but the acting style that he has seemingly settled into now is totally unsuitable for the part, I think.

    So in that sense, my gut instinct would be to disagree with the idea that he would bring what was appropriate. It'd likely be the other way round, and I don't really want Bond to be like that.
    I can understand those criticisms, although personally i think Tom Hardy kills it every-time. Although I am yet to see Capone, but I very much doubt it'll hold up to one of my favourite performances of his in Legend as the Kray twins.

    Anyway, I do agree though that his time has passed for the role, and that he'll no longer be considered, only because for me, they need to go in a fresher direction for the next 007.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,131
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel @SaintMark @CraigMooreOHMSS @Univex @DaltonCraig007

    I don't really understand this with Hardy.

    Like I understand he likes these roles and likes to cover up sometimes, but I think he has respect for the character's he plays; in Mad Max: Fury Road and Legend for example.

    He works appropriately, and I imagine if he was to be James Bond, he'd understand what's required and know how he'd need to approach the role. Also as for the comments regarding his "thuggish"-ness, again they're actors, I don't think this is enough of a criticism to not worth being considered...

    ...but either way his age is an issue and he is in Venom so I don't think he'll ever be Bond.

    Great actor. But far too short at 5ft 8in. Auto rejection IMO.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    As I remember he did a sort of smooth spy in 'This Means War', although not exactly Bond and it's a long time since I saw it. He could have definitely played Bond and I think would have been great, but is perhaps a bit too similar in type to Craig.
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    I also agree with @SaintMark here, except I love Fury Road :D Saw it nine times in theatres.
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    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    I also agree with @SaintMark here, except I love Fury Road :D Saw it nine times in theatres.

    Then you love it no doubt, I saw Mad Max 2 twice in cinema. That old am I.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    I also agree with @SaintMark here, except I love Fury Road :D Saw it nine times in theatres.

    It is quite the ride. Watched the Black and Chrome version in theatres last year, too.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    I also agree with @SaintMark here, except I love Fury Road :D Saw it nine times in theatres.

    It is quite the ride. Watched the Black and Chrome version in theatres last year, too.
    I'm really hoping Jodie Comer is cast as the young Furiosa for a prequel like what is rumoured...

    ...but to keep it somewhat on topic, she'd be a great Bond girl and I wonder who'd be the perfect James Bond to match with her? :)
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    She is indeed a brilliant assassin in her own show even with the Fleabag lady writer gone it has lost some of its brilliance.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,970
    SaintMark wrote: »
    She is indeed a brilliant assassin in her own show even with the Fleabag lady writer gone it has lost some of its brilliance.
    I'm excited to see Nomi, but it would've been pretty cool to see her as a new 007 in No Time to Die.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Anyway, I do agree though that his time has passed for the role, and that he'll no longer be considered, only because for me, they need to go in a fresher direction for the next 007.

    By 'fresher', do you mean younger, or less well-known? Or just very different?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Anyway, I do agree though that his time has passed for the role, and that he'll no longer be considered, only because for me, they need to go in a fresher direction for the next 007.
    By 'fresher', do you mean younger, or less well-known? Or just very different?
    Either/or really - but yeah something that feels different.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    +1

    I like Hardy, just can't see him as Bond. he's been typecast as a villain for a reason.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    +1

    I like Hardy, just can't see him as Bond. he's been typecast as a villain for a reason.

    The Bane of existence.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    +1

    I like Hardy, just can't see him as Bond. he's been typecast as a villain for a reason.

    The Bane of existence.

    As Bane, his performance was good but although he bulked up and they placed him in huge platform shoes, his relatively small size was too apparent at times; it took away from the character.

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    talos7 wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Sorry you do not understand my not liking Tom Hardy, i'd prefer the next 007 to be a bit more the English gentleman and less of a thug. That is how Hardy comes across and I prefer Mel Gibsons Mad Max anyhow, no fan of Fury Road.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

    +1

    I like Hardy, just can't see him as Bond. he's been typecast as a villain for a reason.

    The Bane of existence.

    As Bane, his performance was good but although he bulked up and they placed him in huge platform shoes, his relatively small size was too apparent at times; it took away from the character.

    A small joke about Tom Hardy, no more really. It lend itself for wordplay
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    Craig and Hardy were both in Layer Cake and I couldn't even remember Hardy in it. Craig just oozes cool and has a big screen presence. Hardy is a good character actor, even if slimy and ill tempered.

    That being said, Craig will definitely be a though act to follow.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Univex wrote: »
    Craig and Hardy were both in Layer Cake and I couldn't even remember Hardy in it. Craig just oozes cool and has a big screen presence. Hardy is a good character actor, even if slimy and ill tempered.

    That being said, Craig will definitely be a though act to follow.

    @Univex : nail, head, hammer, hit!

    (I agree with you a thousand times over)
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    Somebody with bucket loafs of charisma and screen presence. Not a cardboard box.

    Henry Cavill as Bond.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Somebody with bucket loafs of charisma and screen presence. Not a cardboard box.

    Henry as Bond.
    It won't happen; he's already Superman, and he is also The Witcher. He's also very heavily involved with Warner Bros, who probably wouldn't want him to be 007

    I wonder if Gregg will get a better say in the next James Bond?? It'd be good to find out his taste haha :D
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Well, just to add another name or two for the sake of variety...

    On another forum someone mentioned Oliver Jackson-Cohen, who starred in the recent Invisible Man film, and was in The Haunting of Hill House miniseries. I'm not sold on him as he has kind of a bland face without a strong bone-structure, but he is of the right age, and his star seems to be on the rise.

    Another name is Tom Bateman. He's more low-rent, having mainly been in TV, but he was in the recent Murder on the Orient Express film, and appears to be attached to the new Death on the Nile movie. He seems to play bad guys a fair bit, probably because he has the eyebrows of a psychotic killer. Or a muppet.

    I don't really like these guys for the part, but as all the good candidates are aging out, I thought I'd mention them. I really don't like any of the young candidates much. I actually think Denbigh is probably right in suggesting that Callum Turner will be a candidate, because his resume is looking better than anybody else his age with the exception of Hoult. Hmmm... doesn't fill me with glee, but there you go. I think I'm pinning my hopes on Hoult more and more.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,970
    I actually think Denbigh is probably right in suggesting that Callum Turner will be a candidate, because his resume is looking better than anybody else his age with the exception of Hoult. Hmmm... doesn't fill me with glee, but there you go. I think I'm pinning my hopes on Hoult more and more.

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    Haha well I'm sorry he hasn't really convinced anyone yet. Hopefully he'll convince you one day @sandbagger1, he sure has the time to considering Bond 26's probable release. I do like Oliver Jackson-Cohen though, and I think he'll be a likely candidate too, and while I struggle to imagine Bateman in the role, you never know :)
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    Stuart Martin takes the shirtless test.

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    Univex wrote: »
    Craig and Hardy were both in Layer Cake and I couldn't even remember Hardy in it. Craig just oozes cool and has a big screen presence. Hardy is a good character actor, even if slimy and ill tempered.

    That being said, Craig will definitely be a though act to follow.

    Hardy is practically an extra while Craig is in every scene. So there's that.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    M_Blaise wrote: »

    Hardy is practically an extra while Craig is in every scene. So there's that.
    Exactly. Hardy has something like 30 seconds of screen time, doesn't he?

    It's like saying Gerard Butler isn't a memorable actor because he's forgettable in TND. ;)

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,401
    Univex wrote: »
    Craig and Hardy were both in Layer Cake and I couldn't even remember Hardy in it.

    Not sure that's a fair basis for a comparison is it? Craig is the lead. Is there even a scene that Craig isn't in?
    Somebody with bucket loafs of charisma and screen presence. Not a cardboard box.

    Henry Cavill as Bond.

    Where's he going to get the charisma from? :D
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited May 2020 Posts: 13,797
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Like I understand he likes these roles and likes to cover up sometimes, but I think he has respect for the character's he plays; in Mad Max: Fury Road and Legend for example.

    He works appropriately, and I imagine if he was to be James Bond, he'd understand what's required and know how he'd need to approach the role. Also as for the comments regarding his "thuggish"-ness, again they're actors, I don't think this is enough of a criticism to not worth being considered...
    Actually Hardy has a reputation for being moody and hard to work with on set. FURY ROAD as the example, he didn't get along with Charlize Theron or the director during filming. To the point that once the film was completed and viewed, he apologized to George Miller and admitted he had not understood the director's vision for the project.

    I'm a huge follower of the Mad Max films, and no less FURY ROAD. What a brilliantly surprising film from an outright genius. Unbelievable sound and vision.

    And I saw THE ROAD WARRIOR the first night of release in the US at a drive-in. Plus several more times sitting in theaters across the summer, a great year to watch films.

    Hardy and other names could be a Bond experiment for 1 or 2 films. But I also agree his height includes him out of consideration.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Like I understand he likes these roles and likes to cover up sometimes, but I think he has respect for the character's he plays; in Mad Max: Fury Road and Legend for example.

    He works appropriately, and I imagine if he was to be James Bond, he'd understand what's required and know how he'd need to approach the role. Also as for the comments regarding his "thuggish"-ness, again they're actors, I don't think this is enough of a criticism to not worth being considered...
    Actually Hardy has a reputation for being moody and hard to work with on set. FURY ROAD as the example, he didn't get along with Charlize Theron or the director during filming. To the point that once the film was completed and viewed, he apologized to George Miller and admitted he had not understood the director's vision for the project.
    Oh interesting; I was aware of the tensions between him and Theron, but I was not aware of what occurred between him and Miller. I take back what i said wholeheartedly.

    Despite that, I still love the film and his performance, but yes, his height is a problem, and either way Hardy is no longer in my top choices, I'd just be happy to go with it if he was. Callum's still my guy haha :D
    Speaking of which people should check out Queen and Country. It's not a great film by any means, but Callum's performance is another example of his potential. Although do take into account this was fiver years ago and he looks quite young.

  • edited May 2020 Posts: 6,709
    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Craig and Hardy were both in Layer Cake and I couldn't even remember Hardy in it.

    Not sure that's a fair basis for a comparison is it? Craig is the lead. Is there even a scene that Craig isn't in?

    Daniel Craig sure wasn't the lead in Road to Perdition, and yet in every single scene he's in he steals the show, holding his own against the likes of Paul Newman and Tom Hanks.

    Hardy disappears every time DiCaprio or even Murphy or Gordon-Levitt are on screen in Inception or in The Revenant.

    Hardy is a good character actor. But has no star power.

    Even Clive Owen had more star power and screen presence, and easily shared the screen with Julia Roberts or Cate Blanchett. And was the lead in one of the best films in the last two decades - Children of Men. What film did Hardy star that had that kind of billing and relied on his screen presence? Venom? Please...

    And before you say it, Fury Road was Theron's film. Hardy is no Gibson, I tell you that. Don't believe me? Check the posters.

    Tom Hardy is good for small character actor films, ensemble films, or as a secondary.

    He's the most overrated actor of his generation, IMO. At best, he's sort of an Oliver Reed kind of actor. But no better.

    Craig can steal an entire scene just by squinting. He has a cool dangerous presence of a big jungle cat. Hardy is a thug with a baby mouth and a muculent hair and attitude.

    Nolan may like him, but I doubt he'd ever have him as his lead. He just can't pull it off.

    As part of an ensemble like in Tinker Taylor? Sure. As a lead? No, never.

    Craig just has to sing "Papa was a Rolling Stone" and he steals every scene from Bana in Munich. That is McQueen kind of charisma, who just had to rattle a cartridge close to his ear to steal a scene from Yul Brynner in the Magnificent Seven.

    Hardy who?
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