COMPARE THE TRACKS [#7]: "Sévérine's Theme" (SF) vs. "Andrea Anders' Theme" (TMWTGG)

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  • will be a tight battle :-O
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,263
    WOTW: 3
    FRWL: 1

    The instrumental music gives it a slight edge, with otherwise contrasting styles of vocals that are effective in their own right.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    The last time I listened to a newly released Bond theme three days in a row without getting tired of it was in 1999 with TWINE.

    WOTW will end up in my Top 10 and be in good company together with FRWL, YOLT and TWINE which are all in the same category. Of course AVTAK and GE will always occupy my No 1 and No 2 spot :-*

    As I use Apple Music I will give Sam's multi Grammy winning album a good listen, maybe I missed out on something good there.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 4,622
    I will copy @bondjames vote as I don't understand the scoring.
    ie max points to epic Monroe 007 classic and zero to new Smith stinker.

    WOTW might yes do good battle with Scott Walker effort, and don't forget that Eric Serra droner from GE end titles, The Experience of Love.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Round #6 ends with the minimum and maximum of 17 voters as well. And it was a tight battle. Great to see that there is love for "Writing's On The Wall" ;-). Current ranking:

    01) 51 POINTS: "Flight Into Space" (MR) -- maximum possible points
    02) 42 POINTS: "Time To Get Out" (QOS)
    03) 41 POINTS: "Night At The Opera" (QOS)
    04) 37 POINTS: "Snow Business" (TWINE)
    05) 36 POINTS: "From Russia With Love" (title song FRWL)
    06) 36 POINTS: "Big Band Death Jack Petachi" (NSNA)
    07) 33 POINTS: "Writing's On The Wall" (SP)
    08) 32 POINTS: "Solange" (CR)
    09) 32 POINTS: "It Had To Be You" (TND)
    10) 26 POINTS: "The Bloody Shot" (SF)
    11) 23 POINTS: "Shanghai Drive" (SF)
    12) 17 POINTS: "Following The Diamonds" (DAF) -- minimum possible points

    Round #7 -->
    "Sévérine's Theme" (SP):
    composed and conducted by Thomas Newman, orchestrated by J.A.C. Redford
    vs.
    "Andrea Anders' Theme" (TMWTGG)
    composed and conducted by John Barry

    Two great slow-tempo, erotic and mysterious sounding pieces of music? And I often compared these two tracks myself, as I find Thomas Newman here at his "Barry-Best". So, which one is the best?

    Please use this format when you're ready to post our score:
    --> name title track A vs. name title track B
    --> 3 - 1
    --> 1 - 3
    --> 2 - 2
    It makes it easier to sum up the scores.
    Anyway, here are the tracks:


  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Sévérine's Theme
    3 - 1

    One of the few tracks I enjoy from Newman's score. TMWTGG's score while fine, isn't one of my favorites. If I had to choose, I'll take Sévérine's Beretta over Andrea's water pistol. ;)
  • Posts: 3,336
    3-1 to Severine

    Severine's theme is perhaps my favourite track of the Skyfall soundtrack
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    1-3 to Andrea Anders.
  • 1-3 for John Barry's theme for Andrea Anders.

    TMWTGG, while not exactly Barry's strongest effort in the series, is at least a proper Bond score in that it features a title song (with deliciously filthy lyrics by Don Black) written by the composer of the score and worked seamlessly into its thematic material - as is the case here, in Andrea Anders' theme. All of this is much more than one can say of Newman's score for Skyfall, which is at best workman-like and serviceable within the context of the film, but hardly providing a satisfying listening experience on album and inexplicably lacking in thematic unity (quite apart from Newman's sparing use of material from Adele's main title song). Severine's theme, for instance, can hardly be called a theme at all as it is confined to the shower scene - although, granted, it is hinted at in the 'Modigliani' cue. In an ideal world, it should have returned in a massively orchestral setting for the sailing sequence as well as for her death scene.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited October 2015 Posts: 45,489
    Two very beautiful themes, I can see the comparison being made, between music and characters.
  • Posts: 11,119
    I can't choose. I really love both. "Severine's Theme" seems like a modern update to the mysterious, sexy, 'I'm going to encounter the girl'-music from John Barry.

    2 - 2
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    1-3 for Andrea Anders' theme

    Severine is one of the better tracks from Skyfall but it still doesn't compare to the maestro.
  • Posts: 11,119
    1-3 for Andrea Anders' theme

    Severine is one of the better tracks from Skyfall but it still doesn't compare to the maestro.

    I wonder if we ever gonna like at least ONE of the "Skyfall" tracks unanimously :-P. Because I think the score is gravely underappreciated.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I'm giving it to Barry-Andrea Ander's Theme (1-3), but with caveats.

    Andrea's theme is moody in a suspenseful & thriller sort of way. When I heard that clip above it took me right back to the accompanying scene in TMWTGG. Getting that 'lush' feeling while also conveying palpable 'suspense', and doing it with style, is very difficult to achieve, and that's why Barry gets the win from me. No one does that better than him. "It was an inspiration. Sending that bullet...."

    I must give Severine's Theme an honourable mention however. I first heard a snippet of this before seeing the film (from an online soundtrack sample) and really was looking forward to Newman's score for the film. This and Shanghai Drive caught my ear right away from samples (Severine's Theme because of the beautiful orchestral and string work that does definitely evoke Barry's best) and Shanghai Drive for its oh so modern vibe. This track is one reason why I hold out high hopes for the SP soundtrack - because Newman shows in this brief 1.19 clip that he can 'bring it' for Bond. One of my favourite parts of SF is when it is hinted/used in the Shanghai Tower when Patrice is dispatched.......very atmospheric scene there and the music captures Severine's character beautifully.

    It's damn close between these two.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    1-3 for Andrea Anders' theme

    Severine is one of the better tracks from Skyfall but it still doesn't compare to the maestro.

    I wonder if we ever gonna like at least ONE of the "Skyfall" tracks unanimously :-P. Because I think the score is gravely underappreciated.


    The SF score has to be the dullest ever. Except for that perfect Grand Bazaar Istanbul track. I wonder why Newman made the rest so depressing and boring. The Severine theme although would probably be my No 2 or 3 track of the SF soundtrack.

    1-3 for Andrea Anders
  • Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm giving it to Barry-Andrea Ander's Theme (1-3), but with caveats.

    Andrea's theme is moody in a suspenseful & thriller sort of way. When I heard that clip above it took me right back to the accompanying scene in TMWTGG. Getting that 'lush' feeling while also conveying palpable 'suspense', and doing it with style, is very difficult to achieve, and that's why Barry gets the win from me. No one does that better than him. "It was an inspiration. Sending that bullet...."

    I must give Severine's Theme an honourable mention however. I first heard a snippet of this before seeing the film (from an online soundtrack sample) and really was looking forward to Newman's score for the film. This and Shanghai Drive caught my ear right away from samples (Severine's Theme because of the beautiful orchestral and string work that does definitely evoke Barry's best) and Shanghai Drive for its oh so modern vibe. This track is one reason why I hold out high hopes for the SP soundtrack - because Newman shows in this brief 1.19 clip that he can 'bring it' for Bond. One of my favourite parts of SF is when it is hinted/used in the Shanghai Tower when Patrice is dispatched.......very atmospheric scene there and the music captures Severine's character beautifully.

    It's damn close between these two.

    Hence I used the 2 - 2 option :-P.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    1-3 for Andrea Anders' theme

    Severine is one of the better tracks from Skyfall but it still doesn't compare to the maestro.

    I wonder if we ever gonna like at least ONE of the "Skyfall" tracks unanimously :-P. Because I think the score is gravely underappreciated.

    I think it'll come down to the luck of the draw there. There are some stuff I really like on Newman's but I don't actively dislike ANY of the Bond scores save for the overly disco-ish parts of FYEO.

    However, Barry on his worst day is still better than most - which is why he will win most of these challenges with relatively little fuss I think.
  • 00Ralf00Ralf Germany
    Posts: 149
    1-3 for Andrea Anders' Theme. The main theme is woven into it and the piece has something...threatening and ominous about it. It gives me chills and reminds me of Scaramanga's ruthlessness when it comes to dealing with Andrea.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    Another great comparison. It's obvious to see why GG has stacked these two pieces up against each other. And yet, for all their similarities, there is one clear choice for the winner. That would, of course, have to be Andrea Anders' Theme 1-3.

    There's nothing wrong with Newman's effort. In fact, I think it's quite good. Through his music, he is able to convey both Severine's beauty and her tragic nature. But Barry's tune is able to encapsulate every conceivable aspect of it's accompanying scene in such a short amount of time. That's why he was so good. All of the instruments are like different ideas that flow together to make one conclusive statement. Despite it's grandeur, there is an impending danger looming in the shadows. The piano at the end perfectly depicts Scaramanga's sinister intentions.

    That being said, I do look forward to what Newman brings to the table for SP. Let's hope that he delivers the goods.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Posts: 4,520
    Andrea Anders' Theme 1-3.
  • Very close, both excellent. Draw 2-2.
  • DariusDarius UK
    Posts: 354
    1-3 to Andrea Anders.

    Whilst I though Thomas Newman's music was very moving and delicate, the underlying tension and fear inherent in Severine's character (resulting from her life in the Macao sex trade). I also thought that in using predominantly lush strings, Newman was either trying to parody Barry or at least emulate his style.

    Adrea's theme contained tension and suspense, whilst being a beautiful piece of music, so it gets my vote.
  • Posts: 1,181
    3-1 to Severine. This one compliments Severine's beauty very well. They both are great, but this one evokes more emotion for me.
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