Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    For all of Superman 4’s flaws it’s main poster I’ve always found cool.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Superman_iv.jpg
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Posted in the Indiana Jones thread but it belongs here..

    There’s a guy on YouTube called APRICEPRODUCTIONS who has taken it upon himself to remaster and redo the bad fx shots from Superman IV.It’s such good work that a lot of fans have called upon WB to let him remaster and re-edit the whole film.

    Some examples..










    They have done a great job there.

    Yeah, so much better than the final film's muddled ending.

    Stacy in space/earth's atmosphere is probably very close to the original intention.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    For all of Superman 4’s flaws it’s main poster I’ve always found cool.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Superman_iv.jpg

    Got to love a bit of Goozee.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Posted in the Indiana Jones thread but it belongs here..

    There’s a guy on YouTube called APRICEPRODUCTIONS who has taken it upon himself to remaster and redo the bad fx shots from Superman IV.It’s such good work that a lot of fans have called upon WB to let him remaster and re-edit the whole film.

    Some examples..










    They have done a great job there.

    Yeah, so much better than the final film's muddled ending.

    Stacy in space/earth's atmosphere is probably very close to the original intention.

    That's right, but it would not have looked as good as this does, that's for sure.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Posted in the Indiana Jones thread but it belongs here..

    There’s a guy on YouTube called APRICEPRODUCTIONS who has taken it upon himself to remaster and redo the bad fx shots from Superman IV.It’s such good work that a lot of fans have called upon WB to let him remaster and re-edit the whole film.

    Some examples..










    They have done a great job there.

    Yeah, so much better than the final film's muddled ending.

    Stacy in space/earth's atmosphere is probably very close to the original intention.

    That's right, but it would not have looked as good as this does, that's for sure.

    True these days special effects have moved on tremendously, even with the advancements in CGI I still prefer practical where possible.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Even a movie made a decade before SUPERMAN IV looks vastly superior. It’s a shame the unit that was used for I-III and SUPERGIRL were not utilized.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The flying scene at the lake in Supergirl looks pretty fantastic from my memory: none of the more modern Superman films or series have managed to make flying look as believable. I'm not sure why they're so loathe to just stick their actor on some wires.
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    Critics: “ Henry Cavills Superman was not inspiring! “

    This baby..
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Critics: “ Henry Cavills Superman was not inspiring! “

    This baby..

    That's actually very cute.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    mtm wrote: »
    The flying scene at the lake in Supergirl looks pretty fantastic from my memory: none of the more modern Superman films or series have managed to make flying look as believable. I'm not sure why they're so loathe to just stick their actor on some wires.

    The harness work was very good during the lake scene.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Too bad Snyder was like “let’s kill him in the next movie”
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    As much as I like Snyders Elseworld films, when I watched BvS in the cinema I did think a few times '...are they going there already'.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    As much as I like Snyders Elseworld films, when I watched BvS in the cinema I did think a few times '...are they going there already'.

    It was too fast. Snyder didn't want to build things so quickly; the studios were hungry and wanted what Marvel had achieved, only faster and more intense ( ;-) ).
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    As much as I like Snyders Elseworld films, when I watched BvS in the cinema I did think a few times '...are they going there already'.

    I was really disappointed when they killed off Gandalf in the first Lord Of The Rings movie.He really should have had a few solo movies first.

    😉

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    As much as I like Snyders Elseworld films, when I watched BvS in the cinema I did think a few times '...are they going there already'.

    I was really disappointed when they killed off Gandalf in the first Lord Of The Rings movie.He really should have had a few solo movies first.

    😉

    Not the same, BvS is great though in a blink of an eye they go from The Dark Knight Returns to The Death of Superman., both graphic novels deserve seperate movies at the very least.
  • The one thing that didn’t work about BvS was the wasted potential spent on using The Death of Superman as the ending of the film, and because that ending is already so controversial, we’ll probably never get to see it actually done properly in the new DCU.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    As much as I like Snyders Elseworld films, when I watched BvS in the cinema I did think a few times '...are they going there already'.

    I was really disappointed when they killed off Gandalf in the first Lord Of The Rings movie.He really should have had a few solo movies first.

    😉

    Not the same, BvS is great though in a blink of an eye they go from The Dark Knight Returns to The Death of Superman., both graphic novels deserve seperate movies at the very least.

    I also think the way Doomsday was done was horrible. It seems that WB can't let go of General Zod. They turned him into Doomsday, aka Zombie Zod. Then they bring him back in an alternate timeline, when one of The Flash's villains should have been used. Although Supergirl was great in her role. Doomsday is the one character that Zack Snyder could have been trusted to get right.

    And if WB really wanted a rival to the MCU, they should have picked someone other than Zack, as he was already known to be polarizing in his projects. I heard that Matt Reeves was considered at one time, I think he would have been a better pick. I think WB is thinking that they should have hired him from the start, based on how The Batman turned out.

    I know I'm repeating myself, but I think a Superman story like The Batman would help get Superman back in shape. Namely in the villain department. Superman does have a great rogues gallery, the movies have NEVER really taken advantage of them.

    Superman from a cinematic viewpoint still hasn't recovered from Richard Donner and his crew's bad leavings.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    WB can take all the blame for rushing a Justice League movie on the DCEU, but Snyder can take all the blame for deciding to go for a loose adaptation of THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN, both which don’t at all feel appropriate for what’s essentially film #2. They don’t feel earned. But it makes sense why he gravitated more towards those, especially the Frank Miller interpretation of Bats.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    As much as I like Snyders Elseworld films, when I watched BvS in the cinema I did think a few times '...are they going there already'.

    I was really disappointed when they killed off Gandalf in the first Lord Of The Rings movie.He really should have had a few solo movies first.

    😉

    Not the same, BvS is great though in a blink of an eye they go from The Dark Knight Returns to The Death of Superman., both graphic novels deserve seperate movies at the very least.

    I also think the way Doomsday was done was horrible. It seems that WB can't let go of General Zod. They turned him into Doomsday, aka Zombie Zod. Then they bring him back in an alternate timeline, when one of The Flash's villains should have been used. Although Supergirl was great in her role. Doomsday is the one character that Zack Snyder could have been trusted to get right.

    And if WB really wanted a rival to the MCU, they should have picked someone other than Zack, as he was already known to be polarizing in his projects. I heard that Matt Reeves was considered at one time, I think he would have been a better pick. I think WB is thinking that they should have hired him from the start, based on how The Batman turned out.

    I know I'm repeating myself, but I think a Superman story like The Batman would help get Superman back in shape. Namely in the villain department. Superman does have a great rogues gallery, the movies have NEVER really taken advantage of them.

    Superman from a cinematic viewpoint still hasn't recovered from Richard Donner and his crew's bad leavings.

    I liked some of the DC movies though I am only one person, WB making The Flash was absolutely crazy, why make a film with an insane budget based around a series of films the majority of the audience no showed.

    Other reviewers have pointed this out, DC/WB know what we want though they continually tease us with what we want and decide to give us something different usually involving a spin on a character like making Zod Doomsday.

    Its not perfect though I would have preferred a version of the Death of Superman similar to the animated movie. I always wanted to see Doomsday wipe through the entire Justice League until there was only Superman left, you really have to build up to a clash of this magnitude.
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    I liked some of the DC movies though I am only one person, WB making The Flash was absolutely crazy, why make a film with an insane budget based around a series of films the majority of the audience no showed.


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    Aquaman had a massive budget.It made over a billion dollars.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think if Ezra was not such an atomic bomb of bad PR then THE FLASH might have fared better. There were a lot of people who were not seeing it specifically because Ezra was the star of it.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Ezra Miller should NEVER be allowed to work anymore. They should be institutionalized. So many people have suffered at their unstable life, in the workplace, and especially in their personal lives. I know WB were considering canceling the movie. While I’m happy they didn’t, but there are story problems that WB can learn from The Flash. Namely, don’t just use the same villains over and over again. The Batman almost suffered from this. The Penguin, Catwoman or even Carmine Falcone could have been cut, and the movie wouldn’t be much different.

    As for Superman, I feel that Metallo could have been used in Returns and BVS. He could have worked in their storylines. I know that Zack Snyder considered him, and based on how he treated other characters in the story (Doomsday and Jimmy Olsen in particular), it was probably for the best that he wasn’t used. I honestly think that Toyman should have played the part of villain instead of KGBeast. It would have been more interesting and unique. Rather than Zack Snyder using Russian stereotypes. He also would have worked in either Suicide Squad movie. I’m surprised the Christopher Reeve arguably never used him, as he could worked in one of the stories.

    For Returns, Metallo could have a new way Lex Luthor could experiment with Kryptonite, with his wealth. And have him work on the Kryptonite island for future use. Alas, I have write my own Superman/Supergirl stories.

    While a lot of people want Brainiac to be a villain in a movie, including me. I’ve noticed that he has been a villain in A LOT of video games. Not just a side villain, but as the main villain. That’s getting repetitive. I don’t know what to think or feel about this.
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    Even a movie made a decade before SUPERMAN IV looks vastly superior. It’s a shame the unit that was used for I-III and SUPERGIRL were not utilized.

    Actually, Roy Field contributed, as did others who did VFX work on the first Superman films, but Harrison Ellenshaw, who was a lovely guy, was put in charge. David Lane, who did a lot of 2nd Unit etc. of the first 2 Superman films, did 2nd Unit.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Ezra Miller should NEVER be allowed to work anymore. They should be institutionalized. So many people have suffered at their unstable life, in the workplace, and especially in their personal lives. I know WB were considering canceling the movie. While I’m happy they didn’t, but there are story problems that WB can learn from The Flash. Namely, don’t just use the same villains over and over again. The Batman almost suffered from this. The Penguin, Catwoman or even Carmine Falcone could have been cut, and the movie wouldn’t be much different.

    As for Superman, I feel that Metallo could have been used in Returns and BVS. He could have worked in their storylines. I know that Zack Snyder considered him, and based on how he treated other characters in the story (Doomsday and Jimmy Olsen in particular), it was probably for the best that he wasn’t used. I honestly think that Toyman should have played the part of villain instead of KGBeast. It would have been more interesting and unique. Rather than Zack Snyder using Russian stereotypes. He also would have worked in either Suicide Squad movie. I’m surprised the Christopher Reeve arguably never used him, as he could worked in one of the stories.

    For Returns, Metallo could have a new way Lex Luthor could experiment with Kryptonite, with his wealth. And have him work on the Kryptonite island for future use. Alas, I have write my own Superman/Supergirl stories.

    While a lot of people want Brainiac to be a villain in a movie, including me. I’ve noticed that he has been a villain in A LOT of video games. Not just a side villain, but as the main villain. That’s getting repetitive. I don’t know what to think or feel about this.

    Agreed.Ezra Miller should never work as an actor in anything ever again because of what he did.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think Miller did fine as the Flash. But, yes, it may be time for him to retreat and sort things out legally, criminally, whatever. I'm not against him making a comeback some day in a distant future, though. But not now.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I think Miller did fine as the Flash. But, yes, it may be time for him to retreat and sort things out legally, criminally, whatever. I'm not against him making a comeback some day in a distant future, though. But not now.

    I agree, they were ok as the Flash. They were hard to watch though, considering what they did. It was hard at times to separate the art from the artist. But as for a comeback, there is little to no hope of that based on what they did and how much trouble they made repeatedly. To think, there was a time WB was considering him for Willy Wonka in Wonka! And Ezra "claims" to be non-binary, remember, that's why using "they" pronouns.

    I feel bad for Michael Keaton and Sasha Calle. They both had their DC futures stolen by greedy executives and poor planning. They were the true highlights of the movie.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I didn’t have too much trouble with disassociating the actor from the person when watching THE FLASH, but I think it’s totally understandable that others might not be able to separate them. I liked Jeffrey Jones in the prolific films he was in, but he’s also creepy pedo in real life so that’s unfortunate.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I didn’t have too much trouble with disassociating the actor from the person when watching THE FLASH, but I think it’s totally understandable that others might not be able to separate them. I liked Jeffrey Jones in the prolific films he was in, but he’s also creepy pedo in real life so that’s unfortunate.

    I agree with this.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I didn’t have too much trouble with disassociating the actor from the person when watching THE FLASH, but I think it’s totally understandable that others might not be able to separate them. I liked Jeffrey Jones in the prolific films he was in, but he’s also creepy pedo in real life so that’s unfortunate.

    Probably where I am too, although I am happy that Jones isn’t in movies anymore. They’re supposed to be entertainment after all.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I didn’t have too much trouble with disassociating the actor from the person when watching THE FLASH, but I think it’s totally understandable that others might not be able to separate them. I liked Jeffrey Jones in the prolific films he was in, but he’s also creepy pedo in real life so that’s unfortunate.

    Probably where I am too, although I am happy that Jones isn’t in movies anymore. They’re supposed to be entertainment after all.

    I don't have too many problems with that, usually. I can shut down that part of me that is "aware" and enjoy the movie as it plays out. I continue to watch Kevin Spacey films and not cringe once. Same with Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Victor Salva, ... To enjoy or appreciate their work is not to condone or justify their actions. I'm not a "cancel" person. As I've said countless times before, I wouldn't want to feed all the people in the music / movie / theatre / sports / ... business who have done wrong by others.
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