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I love GE, but the whole era did disappoint. And partially because GE was such a big success, regardless of what one thinks of the movie.
Not money wise, but creatively wise yes. They went by the number far too often. Stamper for instance was so generic as a henchman it was not even funny.
I liked GE personally, but I agree that there were tons of cliches thrown into that movie. For me, it was refreshing to see them in GE again after the long 6 yr absence, because of all the pretenders to the throne in the meanwhile (including True Lies). It was as if Bond was reclaiming his turf, and the cliches were a part of that. Also I enjoyed seeing it in GE because LTK was to some extent devoid of them, and at the time was a little jarring for me.
However, towards the end of Brosnan's run they did became a little tiresome.
In a way that's why I don't think they can ever go make to making generic Bond films any more. There will always have to be some depth....some maturity to the characterisations.....the Craig era has just changed everything and after all the effort they've taken to try to add meat to the bones, I can't see them throwing it all away.
Moreover, all the major action movies (including all the Marvel/DC ones) have deep personal angles to them, so EON is likely to follow accordingly.
Dissapointment from a story standpoint. Only GE is a good story. The others waned as they went along.
Debatable as I like Brosnan's first three films equally. Die Another Day not so much.
Hate on Brosnan? Are you trying to get me banned for trolling? =))
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Hans was a non entity, a cheap clone of Grant with a rubbish name (I find Hinx as a name far better, actually), but Gobinda was actually quite good, if only because of his different ethnic background. Overall the Moore era was quite good with henchmen, Jaws turning into a clown notwithstanding. Yes, they had a few Grant clones, but they tried to stay diverse. Brosnan was far less inventive: Grant clone, evil businessmen as villains, it was commonplace after commonplace.
The recent discussions on this particular thread are not personal to Brosnan. They are about Bond movies during the period from 1995 to 2002, which happened to star Brosnan.
The contention is that they were tick the box, generic vehicles for the most part that somewhat insulted the audience by going through the motions with lots of cliches and no clear direction.
I'm all open to hearing counterarguments. In fact I encourage it, to stimulate proper debate. I don't see where this talk of hate comes from.
As I said I also really like GE but can see the not-so-good stuff about it. It's just that I see people bringing up only the bad stuff in every thread. I've even seen complaints about Brosnan brought up in the Dalton appreciation thread, of all places.
No, that's true you're right. Some members have their hangups as we all do, and no doubt we all have our favourites.
I actually like some members coming back again and again with their negatives though because it actually stimulates counterarguments and different points of view, as it should. If a valid counterargument can't be made, then perhaps the original argument is correct, despite the personal dislike that might have brought it on initially.
I would prefer to go that route than shut down discussion.
I get your point though.
Yet they made important efforts to keep every single element, essential or not, in the franchise, sometimes to the point of recycling.
I agree with all of this.
Roger Moore is a soft, kind, gentle, warm, fuzzy Bond.
Ugh.
Yeah Hans is a rubbish name. Can't think of any cool movie villains called Hans ;)
The good story point about GE is debatable when one considers the motivation of Alec Trevelyan in GE.
The BASIS of a good story perhaps? I will admit his motivations are kind of muddled.
Yes, I agree with your point that it was the BASIS for a good story - with Trevelyan he is remembering events that happened fifteen years before he was even born!
But the anger finally consumed Trevelyan's father when he was still fairly young,
Yes, but why did Alec's father kill his mother and then himself so many years after the "shame" of the British betrayal of their Lienz Cossack ilk? That's the clincher for me.