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I still haven't worked out he says before he gets carjacked...it sounds like "is in english".
But for me, GE isn't a soft spot it's a uhh hard on...always...onatopp of my Bond films to rewatch.
This ‘status of bad films’ you talk of may well include AVTAK, a film that, as much as some like it (which I can accept no prob – hell - TLD is amongst my top 3 favorites of the series, contrary to many) probably does have to be considered one of the weakest in the franchise, but to say that ‘most’ of Moore’s Bondfilms have a bad status is really missing the point of the whole 007 microcosm.
They go beyond simply being films... they are icons of our youth, past or present, they are like a big tub of comfort-food – a veritable bucket of Ben&Jerries. And in the ‘comfort-film’ stakes Roger Moore’s films rank very highly indeed. His Bondfilms are like a big fuzzy blanket of 007 warmth, something to wrap yourself up in now and again.
Does he slip on a banana peel as well?
Good grief, a long, long way from the classic Bonds.
@Pierce2Daniel has created an interesting topic for discussion, and you just blight it with your pithy comments. I have seen no constructive comments thus far, so if you don't have anything thoughtful or insightful to say, why post at all?
You don't see me posting on Goldfinger threads "Bond looks a right d*ck with that bloody seagull on his head LOL".
Okay, so for the good stuff: I love Barry's score (for me one of his best in the series), and I love the Duran Duran song (I was 15 back then, and Duran Duran was simply *cool*. Christopher Walken's Zorin is an excellent villain, and Walken is on top form in this movie. And, of course there is Patrick Macnee as Sir Godfrey Tibbett, I also like the on-screen-chemistry between Macnee and Moore, it is just such a joy to watch it.
Certainly not the best Bond ever, but it's just two hours of entertainment, and that's what Bond movies are for me.
You could, and you'd be right, but no one would take you seriously because GF is a much better film and can withstand that kind of criticism.
The second problem is that it's not even actually the Beach Boys, it's a cheesy sound-alike cover band. Fail! "Spend some money on the real thing, ya cheap bastard," is not something I enjoy having to say to James Bond.
And can you imagine if they had actually hired the Beach Boys to score this bit? Got them to compose a 30-second "Surfin Suspense" stinger, or possibly hum the James Bond Theme in five-part harmony? Maybe get Dick Dale on guitar? Wouldn't that be cool?
But it is what it is: a cringe-inducing misstep.
Oh, Goldfinger has been ripped to shreds elsewhere on this forum, so I don't think that comment holds true LOL
In fact, it's a pretty ridiculous comment considering some of our most respected members of this forum are detractors of GF.
Then they shouldn't be respected.
I just feel Moore is too old in this one. He looks like Walken's father in their scenes together. He and Tibbet seem like they belong in a senior citizen's club. It's almost like they cast Macnee just to make Moore look younger (in comparison). And let me state now, that I am a massive fan of Roger Moore's Bond.
I feel the stunt doubles are too obvious here too, something that also affects OP.
The film has an 'end of era' feel to me, since it is Rog's last Bond after such a long run, and also the great Maxwell's last too (and she too looks too old in this one - I liked the way they introduced Penelope Smallbone in OP, & maybe should have used her here, although letting Maxwell finish her run with Moore was probably the right thing to do).
Additionally, I think pairing him with Roberts was a mistake. Someone more his age, like Adams in OP, would have been more suitable. The seduction scene at Zorin's residence seems a little creepy, but part of that is because "Mistaaaaaa SinJin Smith"'s character is a little obnoxious (I'm not all that enamoured with this 'disguise' of Bond's).
I am not a big fan of Jone's May Day either, although I can see why some may be drawn to her unusual character.
I don't find the movie particularly ambitious. To me it doesn't seem to have 'scale' like the Bonds of old, but it does not have the feeling of a straight tone down thriller like FYEO either. Some of the GF overtures are a little obvious too.
Music score is great (Barry is always outstanding).
Parisian scenes are well done. San Francisco could have been filmed better, and there should have been a car chase on those bumpy streets. That was a missed opportunity. Scene at Tracy's house and the quiche are also low points to me (somewhat tv movie like IMO).
So I wouldn't say it is 'critically' appealing, but it is certainly enjoyable enough, in that comedic way that Moore's latter films are. Just not up to the level of OP or MR for me (the two other less serious entries of his that border on comedy as well, and which I enjoy more).
For having an opinion?
Bingo!
If the opinion is to dislike Goldfinger while supporting AVTAK, OP and it's ilk, then yes, do not be surprised if said opinion is taken with a grain of salt.
The world sees GF as one of the best spy films ever made, while AVTAK and OP are just awful representations of not only film work but nearly ran the series into the ground, and if at this point you don't see that, then you never will.
It's like saying that Battlefield Earth is better than STar Wars (1977)
You can hold that opinion, just don't expect it to be taken seriously.
AVTAK is just as good as GE. What a laugh.
Then why are you here?
This forum prides itself on its hundreds of contributors who all have different opinions and tastes about Bond films, and the vast majority of members respect each others opinions etc. even if they differ considerably than they're own. Heck, some great friendships have been made on this site by people who have the exact opposite views when it comes to Bond films.
To state that you don't take people seriously just because they state that X film is better than Y is really quite sad.
You're just lying to yourself here. Nobody has ever, despite what they think of the quality of the films, disputed that they were box office successes. They were successful as always at the box office. Octopussy wiped the floor with Connery's Never Say Never Again in 1983.
Again, it seems that nobody will ever get anywhere with you because YOUR opinion always has to stand, and everybody else's differing opinions are WRONG.
That's right.
Totally fair comment.
Actually I've stated quite often that my opinions are my own.
I don't honestly know why a comment that Goldfinger is a much superior film than AVTAK angers you so. That's pretty much a given.
Thanks man, appreciate it. We don't all have to agree, and we can always do it politely, in my opinion.
The 62 to 69 run is possibly the most consistent run of quality for any major franchise.
I like GF a lot, but do prefer FRWL, TB and OHMSS.
Just me.
Actually you don't.
I don't see it. Take it as you will. It's purely my opinion , but of course, it's wrong!
And not to gripe, but why do you have to post five consecutive posts? Why can't you just type everything you have to say into one comment?
You sure seem to not mind telling people that they are wrong, yet bristle when someone states what is conventional opinion, and then you state that other opinions don't matter.
Soooooo, in the end, my opinions are my own, while you are stating that ONLY. YOURS. MATTER.
No, not at all. It is in fact you who posts comments as if they are fact.
I don't care whatsoever whether somebody thinks Die Another Day is the best Bond film ever.
Sure does not seem that way.
Certainly this thread is full of your objections to other's opinions.
Because you constantly post bashful comments about Moore on every thread you post! They are not constructive and blight insightful discussion such as the one created by @Pierce. You have nothing constructive to post, so why bother?
"Full of my objections to others opinions"??
Funny, only yours!
Everybody else who has stated they dislike the film have done so with constructive posts.
I had a disagreement with @Pierce in a polite debate, where I thought a point he made was a little bit of an exaggeration. That's all. Stop speaking in hyperboles.
lol
:)