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In respect of Thomas Newman's Skyfall score there is a common misconception I see from posters on Bond forums time and time again, that Newman did not incorporate the theme in to the soundtrack. However if you watch the Macau Casino scenes from when Bond arrives on the boat the whole scene is made up of Newman bringing in Element of the main theme.
Probably nothing more than April Fool
Exactly, you can here it here:
Personally I hope it is true.
No, actually there is no misconception - everyone on here knows that already. Newman was forced at gunpoint to include that single reference and he was so unhappy about it that he didn't even do the orchestration himself - he delegated the job to one of his minions.
This has been commented on a lot.
That moment stands out in the entire score and just underlines what a missed opportunity it was not to have integrated Adele's title song theme into the overall score more fully.
Getafix was, in his efforts to make a point, I suspect, not being entirely serious.
That is something which needs drastic correcting in SP. Weaving the title song into the score is a must for any composer of a Bond film, surely.
Again, JC, I think these were sardonic jibes at some board members' incredulity that the score wasn't exactly as they would have liked it, whilst also implying that Newman has no backbone and doesn't quite give it his all. Can't say I disagree tbh...
Yes Newman was so unhappy he signed up for Spectre despite being one of the most on demand holywood composers on the planet. That comment came from the same place leprachauns and UFO's and Big foot. Getafix please do share your source?
http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=10217
The Adele theme song is only reflected in the cue “Komodo Dragon.” Did you want to incorporate it anywhere else in the score?
Michael Wilson had asked where I was going to use the Adele song so that it didn’t appear as a kind of “one off” at the top of the movie. And the scene where he enters the Macau casino with his new, shaved appearance and tuxedo was a real moment of “Bond” swagger. The Adele tune has that quality to it too, so that seemed like a good place to reprieve the song.
Did you have any interaction with Adele or the writers of the song?
While I did not get to meet with Adele, I did with Paul Epworth, who was the co-writer and producer of the song, He really wanted to evoke the early Shirley Bassey arrangements with “Skyfall,” and talked to me about arranging the strings and brass to that effect But my task was already so huge and daunting that my orchestrator J.A.C. Redford, who’s a great composer in his own right, ended up doing the arrangements.
This strikes me as Newman being diplomatic. He clearly had no interest in the song, or using it. Had MGW not brought it up, I think it's safe to say it wouldn't have featured.
He doesn't seemed too enthused generally, to me.
I've lost count of how many times this has had to be explained to people on here.
I agree interpretation is key, but the fact that Newman couldn't be bothered to orchestrate the title theme into his own score himself speaks volumes.
As you and I and many others have noted, it's a stand out moment in the score. But that's not thanks to Newman. It's Adele/Epworth and J.A.C. Redford.
However, as much as I believe that Newman has acted churlishly here, ultimately I have to blame EON and perhaps also Mendes. I think it's fine to let Mendes bring his own composer on board, but there should be one very clear-cut requirement on every Bond movie, and that should be that the score composer has to colaborate with the composer/performer of the song. And the title theme must be interwoven into the overall score. It's a defining characteristic of pretty much every great Bond score.
So while I personally interpret this as Newman behaving a little bit childishly, he is certainly not the only one to blame.
On one hand I understand Newman's reasons for not wanting to use the Adele theme. It sounds like it was presented to him by Epworth as a finished article, and I appreciate many artistic types would not take well to that. But I can't help feeling that Barry (who of course took Monty Norman's 'tune' and turned it into the classic Bond theme) would have embraced the challenge and done something amazing with the Adele theme. David Arnold also, who is a keen collaborator, would have jumped at the chance to work Adele's tune into his overall score.
It's just such a shame and a missed opportunity.
Equally, I actually think another contributer to the title song could have made it even better. I like Adele's song but to me it always feels like it's an intro that's awaiting it's big climax. It just feels like it needs a something extra. May be had Adele and Epworth been required to work with Newman from the start, they would have collectively produced something even better.
Adele was a good and obvious choice for Bond. I've been waiting for years for EON to go down this route - talented British singer song-writers. It's a shame we never got the Amy Whitehouse song for QoS. I'm not a fan particularly of Adele, although I recognise her talent. I just think sometimes a link up is obvious, and Adele and Bond was one of those obvious ones. Back in the 1990s I used to wonder why EON didn't invite Portishead to do a Bond theme - it just seemed so obvious to me.
Would love it and they are certainly overdue, SPECTRE needs a sinister tune and they would deliver but like I say I'm not getting excited till these progresses past it being an April Fools trick, they are now signed to Sony so it's not impossible.
http://www.rollingstone.de/news/meldungen/article715172/depeche-mode-martin-gore-hat-gastrolle-im-neuen-bond-film-spectre.html
01. April 2015
Kai Wichelmann
Background performer
Depeche Mode: Martin Gore has a guest role in the new Bond film "Spectre"
If the new Bond movie "Spectre" coming in November to the cinema, as a special surprise guest also Depeche Mode mastermind Martin Gore for a few seconds in the image.
Photo:
Martin Gore as a DJ not only in the new Bond film
>>> In the gallery: Wedding photos by Martin Gore
Martin Gore will have a small appearance in the new Bond film "Spectre" and be featured in a suitable role for him: behind the DJ booth. The Briton is part of an opulent opening scene, which was shot in March in Mexico City. In addition to the musicians and over 1500 extras are seen. In the scene, the Mexican High Society is celebrating with champagne and electric sounds - provided of course they will personally Gore.
As the online magazine "Coming Soon" reported the sequence is the starting point for an action scene that leads the secret agent (Daniel Craig) and Bond girl Estrella (Stephanie Sigmann) in the famous Gran Hotel De La Ciudad De Mexico.
>>> Video: James Bond - first teaser for "Spectre"
The appearance of the 53-year-olds came about by chance. Gore was on a short trip to Central America on the road and resided in the same hotel as the film crew. But the presence did not go unnoticed and he spontaneously he received a background performer.
There is also a video that shows Martin Gore in Mexico surrounded by his fans
As I've said many times, I just want the title theme woven into the main score.
She a pop star her boyfriends Robert Pattinson she's Adele 's favourite artist. It's been rumoured for a while that this was the plan.
Adele or Sam Smith are more likely to be performing, EON know they need to appeal not just to a bunch of youngsters but someone who'll appeal across the board and FKA Twigs isn't even someone the likes of me & @JCRendle knows.
It would be foolish to alienate the older audience just to appeal to a demographic that wouldn't normally watch these films, Adele was the right choice for SF because she is huge but liked by all ages not someone some of us have never even heard of.
If sanity prevailed though it would be an act who could provide a cracking and memorable tune which DM would do, not something everyone will have forgotten about apart from being the theme to the film but what do I know? I don't even know who FKA Twigs is and music is my biggest interest along with films but guess I'm just to old for this S**t
But again why was Bono writting Golden Eye for SB rather than perform it??.
Adele I believe is concious of attaching her career to bond the same way Bassey did. I don't think she wants to be know just as the burd who sung Bond themes. I think she has got other aspiration, her career has also been on hold while she raises her baby. From my understanding she was asked to retrun but declined and offered to write and recommended Twigs because shes a massive fan. I also understand adele is actually writting more than one piece for the movie.
I think Adele is in no fear of being just being remembered for singing Bond she was a global superstar before Bond and most likely after.
Look dude your shooting the messenger, I am only reporting what is already out there. Adele is relucantant to return but is happy to write for someone else. I understand she is also working on her new album. Maybe that is also a factor, possibly she does not want the Spectre theme to over shadow the release of her new album expected early next year. Who knows.
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/161266/fka-twigs-working-on-the-new-james-bond-soundtrack
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/could-adele-be-writing-spectre-song-for-james-bond-movie-20150123-12wgpi.html
Anything can happen, Youw ould never have predicted Chris Cornell, nor Jack White for a Bond theme. But I believe it shows that the job is out for tender and EON tend do go with whoever comes up with the best track to fit the film. What happened on QOS. I know Daniel said he cried on seeing the opening titles with Adele singing at the premiere that he thought she had done a wonderful job. I have have no doubt she is first pick and her first refusal.