From "Doctor No" to "SPECTRE": The Official Bond Movie Poster Topic

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  • Sark wrote: »
    That would have been much preferred. Not sure why you're obsessed with this quadrilogy idea.

    Well, just watch all three films in order of appearance and then one hour after go and see the premiere of "SPECTRE". You know what I mean then ;-). Actually, it is a quadrilogy.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I may be alone but I really couldn't care less about the posters. Apart from the fact that SF was a very unflattering photo of Craig. Otherwise I'm not bothered at all.

    However I assume the title of the film with the ghostly figure behind Craig (I know it's him again but even so..) is symbolic, and Craig looks terrific in the white tux. Good enough for me.
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 3,333
    Just an observation @Gustuv but why did you choose Spy's pastiche poster as an example rather than an authentic Bond poster such as TB, OHMSS, LALD, etc to make your case?

    I also don't get the logic of the quadrilogy of posters when it's visually obvious CR doesn't sit comfortably within this so-called artistic progression of yours? Actually neither does QoS come to think of it. The only difference with these "modern" posters and other modern bland posters is that they have DC smack bang in the middle striking a pose in a different coloured tux on a plain background. Though I will admit it is a tiny improvement over the dreadful SF poster.

    PS. @NicNac, I take it you don't have James Bond 50 Years of Movie Posters by Dorling Kindersley in your collection then?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    bondsum wrote: »
    PS. @NicNac, I take it you don't have James Bond 50 Years of Movie Posters by Dorling Kindersley in your collection then?

    Nah. :D
  • bondsum wrote: »
    Just an observation @Gustuv but why did you choose Spy's pastiche poster as an example rather than an authentic Bond poster such as TB, OHMSS, LALD, etc to make your case?

    I also don't get the logic of the quadrilogy of posters when it's visually obvious CR doesn't sit comfortably within this so-called artistic progression of yours? Actually neither does QoS come to think of it. The only difference with these "modern" posters and other modern bland posters is that they have DC smack bang in the middle striking a pose in a different coloured tux on a plain background. Though I will admit it is a tiny improvement over the dreadful SF poster.

    PS. @NicNac, I take it you don't have James Bond 50 Years of Movie Posters by Dorling Kindersley in your collection then?

    I think it doesn't matter so much if I put the "Thunderball" or "Spy" poster on here as an example. Both posters have been drawn/painted and are equally beautiful. So I don't understand your 'pastiche argument'.

    Let's take the "Thunderball"-poster. I just can't imagine Daniel Craig with a jetpack behind his back....or in a wetsuit with 12 Bond-chicks adoring him like he's some kind of God. Such posters would simply feel rather out-of-place in 2015. If you ask me.

    What I DO like, is the possibility of using the main titles art as poster art. Similar to what has been done with the upcoming steelbooks.

    Also, this is again a matter of personal taste. I personally LOVE Craig's pose on the "SPECTRE"-poster. It is the least photoshopped picture I've seen on a Craig-poster so far. That's mainly caused by the frontal lighting. But also his skin looks more...natural and warm. And then that won-der-ful white Tom Ford colonial tuxedo. Slightly slim-fit, but with beautiful 70's collars and a red carnation. He IS Bond....and it strengthens my feeling about him being the best Bond since Connery.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Just an observation @Gustuv but why did you choose Spy's pastiche poster as an example rather than an authentic Bond poster such as TB, OHMSS, LALD, etc to make your case?

    I also don't get the logic of the quadrilogy of posters when it's visually obvious CR doesn't sit comfortably within this so-called artistic progression of yours? Actually neither does QoS come to think of it. The only difference with these "modern" posters and other modern bland posters is that they have DC smack bang in the middle striking a pose in a different coloured tux on a plain background. Though I will admit it is a tiny improvement over the dreadful SF poster.

    PS. @NicNac, I take it you don't have James Bond 50 Years of Movie Posters by Dorling Kindersley in your collection then?

    Yes, I'm not seeing a "quadrilogy" theme. The final poster for CR had Craig front and center, but had a lot else going on. And the QoS final poster has Olga and Craig walking side by side. That was more interesting though since they were walking through the desert and their clothes had obviously seen some wear. Its only the teaser for QoS and the final posters for SF and SP that fit this theme Gustav is trying to create.
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 11,119
    Sark wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    Just an observation @Gustuv but why did you choose Spy's pastiche poster as an example rather than an authentic Bond poster such as TB, OHMSS, LALD, etc to make your case?

    I also don't get the logic of the quadrilogy of posters when it's visually obvious CR doesn't sit comfortably within this so-called artistic progression of yours? Actually neither does QoS come to think of it. The only difference with these "modern" posters and other modern bland posters is that they have DC smack bang in the middle striking a pose in a different coloured tux on a plain background. Though I will admit it is a tiny improvement over the dreadful SF poster.

    PS. @NicNac, I take it you don't have James Bond 50 Years of Movie Posters by Dorling Kindersley in your collection then?

    Yes, I'm not seeing a "quadrilogy" theme. The final poster for CR had Craig front and center, but had a lot else going on. And the QoS final poster has Olga and Craig walking side by side. That was more interesting though since they were walking through the desert and their clothes had obviously seen some wear. Its only the teaser for QoS and the final posters for SF and SP that fit this theme Gustav is trying to create.

    You mean this one?
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    Now in all honesty, I like this one a lot too. Perhaps it's a bit too "TLD"esque. And Daniel Craig looks rather...ehh....drugged. Especially skin-color-wise and looking at his pupils. It wasn't the most used poster in the publicity campaign's of cinema's across the globe either. But don't forget, we'll get more posters. So it's still possible we get a more event-rich poster for "SPECTRE". I just hope they use the more vivid, colorful photography of the poster that was released yesterday.
  • Posts: 15,127
    it should be called a tetralogy in any case.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    it should be called a tetralogy in any case.

    Can be too. But with movies quadrilogy is more common :-):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetralogy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_series_with_four_entries
    As an alternative to "tetralogy", "quartet" is sometimes used, particularly for series of four books. The term "quadrilogy", basing the prefix on Latin prefix quadri- instead of the Greek prefix, and first recorded in 1865,[5] has also been used for marketing series of movies, such as the Alien series.
  • Posts: 15,127
    That's why it's a mistake to say quadrilogy. It should be tetralogy.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    That's why it's a mistake to say quadrilogy. It should be tetralogy.

    No, it's not. Tetralogy is a very common word indeed. But when it comes to movies one usually uses 'quadrilogy'. That's what the wiki-article clearly says.

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    STUNNING!! Reminds me of the "Casino Royale" Poster with Vesper at the back. But damn, LOOK how self-assured 007 looks now after 4 films! LOO7 UP! LOO7 DOWN! LOO7 AT THEM!! It still is photography, but nowhere as photoshopped as the previous three films and their posters.


    And I want to add something to this discussion. I think we all are over-critisizing the film a lot. Which is normal on a forum off course. But please do NOT forget that since "Skyfall" a whole new breed of fans landed on planet Earth. People who previously couldn't care less about those Bond film, but decided to see "Skyfall" anyway. Most likely young people who don't even know that the franchise did not start with Craig, but with Connery back in an era they wouldn't even think of: the 1960's!

    Those 'new fans' now suddenly see this poster! Put yourself in their shoes. They probably see for the very first time an ffff-ing cool lad in beautiful, but also a bit 'weird' uncommon tuxedo. And then they see that girl and a skull at the back! They don't know Baron Samedi, but they find the whole poster simply 'cool'.

    I reckon those "Skyfall"-fans most likely want to see the 'sequel' to "Skyfall". And trust me, after people have seen "SPECTRE", Idris Elba will be forgotten!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2015 Posts: 9,020
    @Gustav_Graves
    Hmmm....I think you overestimate the potential for "new fans" a bit.
    I can tell you with 100% certainty that a great lot of the money that Skyfall made came from "older" generations that have not seen a Bond movie in ages at the cinema and were convinced by the media that Skyfall is the return of Connery or good Moore like stuff.
    Even my mother of all people went to see it and it was her first movie at the cinema since 1997's Titanic!
    At my workplace EVERYONE went to see it, even the over 55 people who hadn't seen a movie in ages at the cinema.
  • Posts: 15,127
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's why it's a mistake to say quadrilogy. It should be tetralogy.

    No, it's not. Tetralogy is a very common word indeed. But when it comes to movies one usually uses 'quadrilogy'. That's what the wiki-article clearly says.

    Still a mistake, mixing Latin with Greek. Because a faulty use is widespread doesn't make it less faulty.

    And also on a side note many trilogies, tetralogies and what have you are anything but.That a movie has sequels does not make them trilogies.
  • @Gustav_Graves
    Hmmm....I think you overestimate the potential for "new fans" a bit.
    I can tell you with 100% certainty that a great lot of the money that Skyfall made came from "older" generations that have not seen a Bond movie in ages at the cinema and were convinced by the media that Skyfall is the return of Connery or good Moore like stuff.
    Even my mother of all people went to see it and it was her first movie at the cinema since 1997's Titanic!
    At my workplace EVERYONE went to see it, even the over 55 people who hadn't seen a movie in ages at the cinema.

    By the way, @BondJasonBond006, I will respond to your private message later ;-). Thanks a lot for your message.

    Now to comment on your post, I think one should be very careful at using your experiences at the cinema for global box office results. My parents went to see the film for the first time in an abandoned cinema in Hardenberg (originally a farmer village). It's never crowded there. But in the end it did bring in bucket loads of money.

    I think it could be true that older people liked "Skyfall" a lot, or went to see it because the reviews were so good. Perhaps it brought in audiences, young and old, that haven't seen a Bond film in many years. That could be a reason for its insane success.

    Also this article might shed some light on the "Skyfall" phenomenon, that "SPECTRE" will still profit from:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/09/04/why-is-spectre-being-sold-with-007-nostalgia-when-james-bond-is-more-popular-than-ever/
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's why it's a mistake to say quadrilogy. It should be tetralogy.

    No, it's not. Tetralogy is a very common word indeed. But when it comes to movies one usually uses 'quadrilogy'. That's what the wiki-article clearly says.

    Still a mistake, mixing Latin with Greek. Because a faulty use is widespread doesn't make it less faulty.

    And also on a side note many trilogies, tetralogies and what have you are anything but.That a movie has sequels does not make them trilogies.

    Well, I think it's rather safe to say that at least the four Craig-film will in the end be seen as a tetralogy or quadrilogy :-). I like the word tetralogy too by the way!
  • So here's a collage of all the posters we have so far. In all honesty, I don't think we'll get a lot more new posters. We already have two versions of the international posters (Only "Casino Royale" had 3, "Quantum Of Solace" actually had just 1 version, then "Skyfall" had 3 international versions, IMAX poster included). Only character posters will follow now and a couple of British Quad versions. Plus perhaps an IMAX-version poster:

    Poster - Standee (my personal favorite):
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    International Poster #2 (US?):
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    International Poster #1 (UK?):
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    Poster - Banner #1:
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    Poster - Banner #2:
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    Teaser Poster #1:
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    Teaser Poster #2:
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    Teaser Poster #2 (UK Quad):
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    Teaser Poster #3:
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    Teaser Poster #3 (UK Quad):
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    Some nice conclusions: The teaser poster campaign for "SPECTRE" must have been the most extensive poster campaign ever for a Bond film. Already in December 2014 we got our very first teaser poster, which I personally consider the best Craig-era teaser after the one from "Casino Royale".

    I do love the international posters in which Bond wears a colonial white dinner jacket. Absolutely stunning, and finally....finally....007 can put a smirk on his face :-).
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 11,119
    Guys? Has anyone seen this website? Apparently you can buy near-mint 1st print original Bond posters there. Has someone already done that?

    https://cinemasterpieces.com/cinejamesbond.htm

    One thing that strikes me though. The website is active since the mid 1990's. But, the newest Craig posters ("SPECTRE" for instance) are bloody expensive. Way more expensive as when "Die Another Day" was offered on the same site in 2003.

    Could the prices be going up because of a possible leave of Daniel Craig? Or is it the status of the Craig films as compared to Brosnan?
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 3,333
    Yes, I've seen this website before, @Gustuv. I think it's one of the more expensive sites for Bond posters around. There are some that are cheaper. Apart from GE, the Brosnan posters just aren't considered collection worthy in the same way as their predecessors are. Don't ask me why, but I think it has more to do with the way the movies are viewed and perceived. DADs value plummeted the moment the movie came out which maybe more to do with the way the movie was received by the fans than the quality of the artwork. CR became immediately collectible the moment it came out with prices fluctuating every year. There are a lot of reproductions out there also, so the genuine posters do go for considerable sums, but nothing like the classic Sixties originals. It basically comes down to what the buyer is willing to pay, and truth be told, not many Brosnan Bond fans want to pay too much for his posters. There's possibly a far larger number of Brosnan posters out there that were printed and have survived, unlike the far superior original Sixties posters.

    But you're asking why some, and it's only "some" of Craig's posters are valued higher than Brosnan's older ones. I suppose it's down to Craig being the current and fashionable 007 and is considered by many to be one of the best actors to play the character, whereas Brosnan was popular at the time, though his movies are a bit of a mixed bag and so the cellectors valuations reflect this. I don't think it has anything to do with SP possibly being his last movie. That's my take on it.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    edited September 2016 Posts: 1,130
    I truly think Daniel Craig looks at his best on the 4th poster, the one for "SPECTRE". It looks like the least photoshopped picture! I hope everyone agrees with me??

    Its the white Tauxedo which made him look that good, That color fits Craig very nice
    It makes me a little angry though, it makes me wish Pierce had worn it in one of his movies, my consolation price he got to be comander Bond with the Royal navy suit.

    Anyway definitely my favorite posters from The Carig are the Casino Royale posters, they were really beautiful

  • edited September 2016 Posts: 11,119
    Szonana wrote: »
    I truly think Daniel Craig looks at his best on the 4th poster, the one for "SPECTRE". It looks like the least photoshopped picture! I hope everyone agrees with me??

    Its the white Tauxedo which made him look that good, That color fits Craig very nice
    It makes me a little angry though, it makes me wish Pierce had worn it in one of his movies, my consolation price he got to be comander Bond with the Royal navy suit.

    Anyway definitely my favorite posters from The Carig are the Casino Royale posters, they were really beautiful

    I made these nice desktop banners, which you can also use as a good comparison between styles, and the two very different Bond portrayals by the two actors:

    MWwRACs.jpg
    IJC5pNH.jpg

    I understand that some fans want the more colorful, eventful posters back from the Craig-era. But I do think it doesn't really suit Craig's portrayal as Bond. I really like the more stylistic, minimalistic designs which are also more muted color-wise. Although all posters from the last 8 Bond films are photoshop-craftmanship and haven't been drawn or painted.
  • I also initiated a nice Facebook poll with regard to the above collection of posters from the Brosnan-era and the Craig-era:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/230328753824015/permalink/567212706802283/

    The poll question is: Which era of Bond posters do you like more? The Brosnan-era? Or the Craig-era?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I would hesitate to call those "photoshop-craftsmanship." A large degree of the film industry's poster designers have almost made that term an oxymoron.
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    You've used the "teaser" poster for CR, @Gustuv for your thematic demo argument above, and not the official movie poster. Brosnan too, also had minimalistic teaser posters for his movie campaigns which you've happened to exclude to drive your point home. For the record, I like the teaser poster for CR as it not only looks good, it also does the job it's intended to do: generate interest for the upcoming movie.

    Ok, I get that you like these bland, insipid "minimalist official" posters, @Gustuv, but you won't find many collectors or takers out there that will agree with you. Bland is bland.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited September 2016 Posts: 9,117
    bondsum wrote: »
    You've used the "teaser" poster for CR, @Gustuv for your thematic demo argument above, and not the official movie poster. Brosnan too, also had minimalistic teaser posters for his movie campaigns which you've happened to exclude to drive your point home. For the record, I like the teaser poster for CR as it not only looks good, it also does the job it's intended to do: generate interest for the upcoming movie.

    Ok, I get that you like these bland, insipid "minimalist official" posters, @Gustuv, but you won't find many collectors or takers out there that will agree with you. Bland is bland.

    Very good observation.

    In all cases during the Craig era the teaser has been infinitely better than the atrocious final posters (with the exception of SP where we hit rock bottom with a truly awful set of posters - the bullet hole in glass is reasonable but the 'GQ shoot modelling a black jumper ' teaser is atrocious).

    It's not necessarily about colour or hand drawn over photoshop it's more about creativity and artistic merit. It seems like they use one guy for the teasers who tries to come up with something visually interesting and then they go to a completely different guy for the finals who is bone idle and couldn't give the slightest toss and just knocks sonething out with 5 mins to go before his deadline.


  • Actually, people tend to forget that it's Daniel Craig who has had a final say in the choice of the Bond posters ever since "Casino Royale". There are even pictures from Mr Craig picking the options when head of publicity Anne Bennett is holding them. That was a bit different with Pierce Brosnan I think.

    Doesn't mean that it'll change personal opinion. But I do think the Craig-era of posters ARE more creative, more different than previous 40 years of Bond posters. It's a matter of taste really. And I think the artistic merit was used much better with the Craig era of posters. They reflect the sometimes bleaker, darker storyline a bit better I think. Even the final Craig posters show that.

    The same can be said about the Brosnan posters. But to me there's happening too much on them. Poses on them are too reminiscent of the drawn posters with Moore or Connery on it. Together with all the action on it. So possibly they wanted Brosnan to be more a typical Bond from the old formula. That's a bit how I see it.

    Again, it's all a matter of taste :-). Keep voting in the Facebook poll.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    But I do think the Craig-era of posters ARE more creative, more different than previous 40 years of Bond posters.

    Are you having a wind up now?

  • But I do think the Craig-era of posters ARE more creative, more different than previous 40 years of Bond posters.

    Are you having a wind up now?

    You should respect my personal opinion. I respect yours. Ok :-)?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    But I do think the Craig-era of posters ARE more creative, more different than previous 40 years of Bond posters.

    Are you having a wind up now?

    You should respect my personal opinion. I respect yours. Ok :-)?

    I see what you did there.

    The 'Get out of jail free' card of our times.
  • But I do think the Craig-era of posters ARE more creative, more different than previous 40 years of Bond posters.

    Are you having a wind up now?

    You should respect my personal opinion. I respect yours. Ok :-)?

    I see what you did there.

    The 'Get out of jail free' card of our times.

    What do you mean by that @TheWizardOfIce :-)?
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