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for some reason they've been doing this a lot of late. Even Forster's QoS was loaded with them. I'm not sure what the deal is but at some point they should go about creating new references that stand the test of time rather than referencing them imo.
Thank you all for not indulging them.
Exactly. If I were them, I would treat the Craig era as the second chapter of the Bond franchise and the first movie with the next actor as the first page of a whole new BOOK.
The persian cat is a welcome touch. The producers seem to be intent on making a crowd pleasing movie, but not at the expense of Mendes unique touch to filmmaking. Possibly a best of both worlds here.
I am not saying there aren't potential concerns, but that's always to be expected.
But all told, I do think what we are seeing is very encouraging.
The shooting outline leak may be the best thing that could have happened, because it shines a positive light on the production, countering the awful revelations concerning problems with early drafts.
@pachito I share your concerns regarding the cars. Its a shame that the DB10 ends up in the river. I guess that was done to work in the ejector seat gag, which I do like.
But car in river can at least be fished out, after the fact. You figure the Q branch would be right on that.
What Mendes is doing with the DB5 is comical. The first glimpse we get, early in the outline, I think is to show us that the car is being repaired. This foreshadows the final scene.
How this car has managed to find it way back to the shop, after what it was subjected to at SF Manor is beyond comprehension, but then again the car's very existence in SF, was essentially beyond understanding as well.
It seems the DB5 is a cartoonish homage, that Mendes wishes to persist with, and it doesn't need to make any sense. So there, you nitpicking Bond fans. :)
I would have preferred Bond to drive off in a restored DB10, freshly fished from the river (Tiber was it?)
i agree with you. Here and there we can have, and want to have, some light references to an iconic moment from the past but not more.
For instance in QoS, and although i liked the movie a lot, the Fields "painted with oil" scene just didnt work.
You know, I've been thinking about this some more, and since it seems like a conscious producer decision (since it's spanned multiple movies with multiple directors) I think they are actually doing it for the following reason:
1. they know they have an iconic franchise with tons of ground breaking history that can be copied, referenced and debased, most notably with Austin Powers that really burned them and embarrassed them (who looks at YOLT, pinky rings, bald headed villains in Nehru jackets the same way again?). There are more and more credible competitors for Bond now, so the possibility of copying and shaming is quite great (note the upcoming Kingsman's movie poster ripping the iconic FYEO one)
2. they probably feel that they should be the ones to make fun of themselves and reference themselves, and they should do it first, and their way. In that way, they take the 'sting' out of anyone else trying to do it later, and control the way the iconic reference is reintroduced to the public arena to a new generation.......rivals may then think, what's the point in copying or taking the piss now? in a way.
That's the only sensible reason I can think for such copious references, and it makes sense then.
A short "maybe" or "no way" answer:
Something unrelated: I'm now thinking that they should have made Mr. Hinx the main villain of the movie. He and Swann are by far the two best new characters in the story.
I think the Mexico opening scene will be fantastic and that the helicopter escape will be very fun, and with Hoyte van Hotema we'll get some great shots on the film.
TITLE SONG - SCENES FROM QS, CR, SF
I think the London scenes are a bit tacky and not needed that much, maybe it will be better in the movie.
Tanner and Bond seen on the boat - the scenes they filmed this week - pass by the old Mi6 building getting ready to be demolished and past next to the construction of the new MI6 building - maybe the blue screen will act as the MI6 construction. The two head through tunnels and get to Q's lab.
Regarding the Rome scenes I think this will be the best part of the movie and the chase around the city and Mr. Hinx's 180 turn in the Jaguar Car.
When Bond appears on a road in Austria, as Q tells that to M, but tells them he is in England on a highway.
He goes to a lake and crosses the lake and then sees a lodge with a satellite dish and cameras, inside he sees Mr White dying and he gives him a picture of Miss Swann.
He takes the plane to the clinic where he sees Madeline abducted by Mr. Hinx and his bodyguards. He chases them and appears(007) in a plane at the end of a tunnel.
Swann and Bond then spend some time in the village later with Q in the hotel.
They chase the 3 cars through the Obertilliach forests and the plane eventually crashes in the ally of trees.
Later in the film the Morocco scenes, I think could be made much more interesting, the train scene, again train scenes????
I can't wait to see the control room and the destruction of Oberhussers lair in Morocco.
Back in London M tells Bond that the 00 section is down and then Bond goes to the old Mi6 building and comforts Oberhausser and escapes with Madeline.
After a couple of weeks, the two (Madeline and 007) head on vacation.
Overall I think the film will be something in between CR and SF.
Have your say.
All the best,
Aleksandar
That's a possible explanation.
Anyway i trust SamM/DanielC, as i trust EON and BarbaraB/MichelGW, and they know what they are doing.
If all the background story is well structured, the acting is good and the character development not underestimated it will all work really well.
:(
That my friend SURELY wont be your face after you see the film.
Don't worry. This film will be very far from being a disaster and even without the last minute rewrites the story is already much better than the stories of at least 4 of the Bond films since 1995 (TND, TWINE, DAD and QOS).
.. to add even more .. it HAS THE POTENTIAL to become Daniel's best and, at least one of the fan's all time favourites. Intrigue, glamour, great locations, huge action sequences,..
"Overall I think the film will be something in between CR and SF."
Personally i am thinking more between QoS (pacing, diversity of action sequences, Quantum involvement) and SF (the "espionage" discussion, new enemies in the shadows, Mi6 in perrill..)
They always get some location footage from a celebratory event setting, so I don't see why they wouldn't do it this year. It adds to the realism and atmosphere. As you said, they'll probably do it like the Palio (which was wide angle distance shots and some closeups of the race) and intersperse it with some set footage. The actors wouldn't need to be there.
If you saw the later outline
Also don't take my word for it, apparently in the December version the Blofeld (not exactly) reveal happens during the dinner scene
Madeline says she can't be with him while he's still a spy and says she won't watch him die. Then at the end instead of killing Blofeld he throws his gun away (so he's leaving his life of killing behind) and leaves with Madeline. It's a happy ending, he's getting a life like Moneypenny said ("it's called a life James, you should try it sometime"). If he's not quitting, then why throw his gun away? And why go off with Madeline (who gave him a clear ultimatum, her or the job, and said she wouldn't wait forever)?
Plus you have the other stuff. Q seemingly being out of a job, the 00 section being abolished (although C was a bad guy so maybe they'd come back again) all the references and links to the previous Craig films (even the title sequence is apparently using images from all of them), loose ends like Mr White being tied up, Bond getting one last mission from the old Judi Dench M, etc.
There's a real sense of finality to it all, like it's a big conclusion.
Idk. Maybe you could have
In that one C was in league with Blofeld yeah so like I said, the 00 section might come back (I don't remember it saying, I just remember them revealing that C was in league with SPECTRE). But I think Bond still quits.
He goes off with Madeline and it doesn't specifically say he's quitting but I doubt it's just a holiday either. He still throws his gun away and Madeline made a point of telling him before that she wouldn't be with him until he quit MI6, and she said she wouldn't wair forever. So when Bond spared Blofeld, chucked his gun in the river and drove off with Madeline in the DB5, I took that to mean he'd quit and he was leaving his old life of killing behind.